Quote of the Day: Dana White
On the future of the UFC and its place among American sports: "What are the major sports in America right now? The NFL and Major League Baseball, with the NBA third. The NHL was fourth, but now we’re fourth, and we’re still in our infancy. Our ratings on Spike TV beat most of the major sports in our 18-to-34 demo. Last year we beat four Monday Night Football games in the demo. In eight years, the UFC will be bigger than the NFL, bigger than World Cup soccer. It will be the biggest sport in the world."Gotta love Dana.
On Senator McCain’s "human cockfighting" comment and how it helped the UFC: "John McCain created the UFC. All he meant was, you can’t put on illegal fights; you have to be sanctioned by an athletic commission. We agreed."
On who would win in the Octagon, McCain or Obama: "I would go with Obama. He’s younger. Hillary Clinton might kick the sh*t out of both of them."
On the death of boxing: "Corruption, fragmentation and greed killed boxing. When I started with the UFC I took all the sh*t I hated about boxing and changed it."
On Dallas Maverick’s owner Mark Cuban and Donald Trump’s interest in MMA: "Mark Cuban’s a smart guy. He’s passionate about basketball, but I don’t think he gives a sh*t about mixed martial arts. He sees some quick money in it. Trump’s different. I have a ton of respect for him. When the Fertittas bought the UFC, most venues wouldn’t deal with us. We were outlaws. Out first event was at the Trump Taj Mahal, and Trump actually came to the fights. You’ll never hear me say a bad word about Donald Trump. He can have my seats anytime."
On nearly striking a multiyear deal with HBO and why he pulled out: "I pulled the plug at the 23rd hour. HBO was pi**ed off… I would have had to sell out, literally. They would have owned the UFC… I took meetings with HBO’s boxing guys. I’ll tell you, if I had to hear one more time about how many fu**ing Emmys they had won, I was going to dive out the window. I said ‘You won a bunch of Emmys, but I’m kicking your a** on pay-per-view.’"
On the Spike TV deal that helped lead to the UFC’s success: "There would probably be no UFC without The Ultimate Fighter. Spike wouldn’t pay to produce it, so we had to do that ourselves. It cost $10 million. Frank and Lorenzo said, ‘Okay, we’re in for $44 million. Let’s go another $10.’ If they hadn’t had the balls to do that, we wouldn’t be having this interview."
On the perceived excessive violence of MMA: "People think our sport’s more violent than boxing. Wrong! They’re weirded out because it goes to the ground. We grew up with John Wayne movies—you don’t hit a man when he’s down. It’s un American! John Wayne would deck a guy, stand him back up and hit him again. So when Americans first watch UFC—one guy’s on top of the other, hitting him when he’s down—they say, ‘Oh God, he can’t defend himself!’ It’s not like that in Asia, where they’ve been doing martial arts since the samurai days."
On former UFC star and The Celebrity Apprentice Contestant Tito Ortiz: "That big-mouthed bit*h, that clown. Back when he had the title, he refused to fight Chuck Liddell. He sat on the sidelines for a year and a half, crying, ‘Aww, I don’t have any money!’ So I brought him back and made him a coach on The Ultimate Fighter. That year he made more than $6 million, yet he bit*hes about me. Well, I put up with Tito’s sh*t when he was a decent fighter, but now he’s not and I don’t have to… Did you see what a wall flower he was on [The Celebrity Apprentice]? The guy has no presence. He was the idiot hiding in the back. If he actually did something, people would know how stupid he is."
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Dana white interviews are always good reads. I love when they ask him Tito Questions
by asmiley420 on Aug 15, 2008 10:29 AM EDT 0 recs
Hearing him insult Ortiz has yet to get old. I’m not sure it will.
by Richard on
Aug 15, 2008 4:50 PM EDT
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Did Dana just invent the phrase “the 23rd hour?”
by Chris Nelson on Aug 15, 2008 10:34 AM EDT 0 recs
First I'd heard/read it.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on
Aug 15, 2008 10:50 AM EDT
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Isn’t there a movie with Ed Norton called “23rd Hour”?
by Luke Thomas on
Aug 15, 2008 10:52 AM EDT
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I'm only coming up with
Jim Carrey and The Number 23..
I actually didn’t see that movie.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on
Aug 15, 2008 11:03 AM EDT
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It’s “25th Hour” for the Norton movie.
I dunno, I’m pretty sure I’ve heard 23rd hour to describe last minute scenarios before.
by Luke Thomas on
Aug 15, 2008 11:14 AM EDT
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I’ve always heard “the 11th hour.”
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on
Aug 15, 2008 12:09 PM EDT
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Dana works 24 hour days
..and walks up a hill to school every morning.
by Blackout612 on
Aug 15, 2008 3:31 PM EDT
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Dana did not invent that saying. People say the 11th or or 23rd hour all the time.
by LiuLang on
Aug 15, 2008 12:09 PM EDT
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I’m glad he’s so optimistic about MMA, but it’ll be bigger than the NFL and World Cup Soccer in eight years?
by Cannon Jacques on Aug 15, 2008 10:52 AM EDT 0 recs
Do you believe that MMA is bigger than the NHL, NASCAR, college football, college basketball, boxing, golf, tennis, horse racing, cricket, or rugby? Because I don’t. And that’s exactly what Dana is saying.
by D.Capitated on
Aug 15, 2008 10:56 AM EDT
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I don't either.
I think his time horizon for domination of sports by the UFC is overly optimistic. That’s what I was trying to say. MMA has a lot of hurdles to clear before it reaches mainstream acceptance.
by Cannon Jacques on
Aug 15, 2008 11:05 AM EDT
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Too many hurdles, in my opinion.
But I do think it’ll become mainstream in that time period, which is a massive victory in itself.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on
Aug 15, 2008 11:07 AM EDT
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No, not by any traditional means
But he also did not specify but what criteria. Perhaps the amount the audience themselves spend on the product (based on PPV revenue)?
by Blackout612 on
Aug 15, 2008 3:33 PM EDT
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If Dana keeps saying it, then more people will believe him, thus the sport will grow by leaps and bounds.
by lovingmma25 on
Aug 15, 2008 11:17 AM EDT
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I think the audience would actually have to expand to see the sport grow. I don’t think unintentionally comedic statements by a promoter will do much in that regard. I am hoping, however, that this was just a throwaway sarcastic statement.
by D.Capitated on
Aug 15, 2008 11:23 AM EDT
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Dana’s job is to hype the company and the sport. What the fuck is he supposed to say? “We’re not as big as about 10 other sports, but come check us out, we’re awesome. I promise”? At any rate, I think he’s also talking about how popular the UFC is in regards to the key 18-34 demo. I highly doubt gold is beating them in that demo! And the sports named are very established sports which have prime time TV deals, long time established sponsors and brands, etc. Maybe they will be bigger in 8 years, who knows.
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But never World Cup Soccer :D
by LiuLang on
Aug 15, 2008 12:14 PM EDT
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There’s a lot of things one can say in response to that question that wouldn’t be future material for some sportswriters grist mill. Saying you’re bigger than golf is just laughable when its top 3-4 stars are making more in a year than anyone in MMA has in an entire career.
by D.Capitated on
Aug 15, 2008 12:20 PM EDT
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So...
Is golf beating UFC in the 18-34 demo? Do you have the numbers? I don’t, but I would be suprised if they did. As an industry though, golf is certainly a lot bigger than MMA.
And sure, the top 3-4 stars do make more. For being a young sport though, UFC fighters are getting paid pretty good and are pretty competitive with some golfers. You should check out the 2008 earnings and all time earners, it’s pretty interesting, comparing them with what we know about UFC salaries. Not to mention, some of those guys play a lot of events.
http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/moneyLeaders
I’m not saying that UFC pays better than pro golfers, but seeing as it’s being brought up, it would be interesting to see what they make.
by LiuLang on
Aug 15, 2008 12:47 PM EDT
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Golf might be bigger NOW
But unlike MMA, the sport is contracting. It’s not an alarming rate and the TV ratings for golf are still good, but there’s no denying it’s slowly getting smaller. And from the numbers I’ve seen, golf does not do well among of 18-34. It does, however, do well among 35-54 males, a demographic with large sums of money advertisers can cozy up to.
by Luke Thomas on
Aug 15, 2008 12:49 PM EDT
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Golf could contract a great deal domestically in terms of the players and it doesn’t matter. No one bases the size of a sport purely on whether or not 18-34 year old males watch it, and when MMA has its Nick Faldo, much less its Tiger Woods or Jack Nicklaus, we can start to make the comparison. Besides, 26 million people involved in playing golf within the US is exponentially larger than the number of people watching and fighting MMA.
by D.Capitated on
Aug 15, 2008 12:55 PM EDT
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Right
I’m not the least bit concerned with the 18-34 demographic, which is why I stated as much. From a viewership and advertising standpoint, the key demo in golf is 35-54.
And while golf is centuries old, MMA as we understand is extremely young. It’s going to take some time before there is real parity among a variety of metrics between the sports, but that doesn’t make comparisons now off base or out of bounds.
Another lesser known fact is that football – believe it or not – is actually contracting at the high school level in America. I did some work for the NFL about a year ago. They are enormously concerned with this problem and have variety of programs in place to foster the development not only in schools but in intramural and other self-regulated leagues. So while football is king in America now, it’s very important to take note of what factors are going to affect it’s health tomorrow. Golf is by no means “sick”, but it’s contraction is a real and growing problem.
by Luke Thomas on
Aug 15, 2008 1:05 PM EDT
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Alright, we can compare golf and the UFC. Golf has major tournaments in the US that are on network TV and that attract more than 3 times as many eyeballs than any UFC event in history ever has. It is regularly spoken of on any and all major sports media sites and networks. It has its own channel. It has numerous publications. 2 of the 3 highest paid American athletes are golfers. The ratio of folks playing the sport compared to those training in MMA is likely to be somewhere in the vicinity of 1000 to 1. And then there are major tours in Europe and Asia, with golf courses being built and having major tournaments in virtually every nation on earth that has enough arable land. Its not really close.
As for the fact that MMA has grown while the NFL and golf (baseball has seen decreases in American youth playing too) have seen decreases in the overall talent base while MMA has increased in the last 5 years….so? MMA’s talent base 5 years ago was pathetically thing and while its increased, its nowhere near comparable to boxing, much less any major stick and ball sport, golf, tennis, gymnastics, track and field, etc.
by D.Capitated on
Aug 15, 2008 1:16 PM EDT
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patheticall thin*, rather. There are still more currently active amateur and professional boxers than there have been mixed martial artists in the entire history of the sport. The talent base has to get bigger. A lot bigger.
by D.Capitated on
Aug 15, 2008 1:18 PM EDT
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It doesn’t matter if they are. ESPN, FSN, and every network doesn’t care if it doesn’t beat the UFC in the 18-34 demo (and I’d guess the Masters probably did beat any UFC ever), but they do care that it draws an absolutely huge audience in. Much larger than MMA nationally and internationally.
Posting the list of how guys have been paid only proves my point. Roger Huerta got shit on for getting a little over $100,000 in announced money last year. Even if he made another $100,000 in endorsements and bonuses (and I would definitely bet he didn’t), he would have come in on the PGA money list until around #171. If you do want to play the endorsement game, Tiger Woods took home $112 million last year. That’s probably more than every fighter in MMA was paid for the entire year.
by D.Capitated on
Aug 15, 2008 1:27 PM EDT
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I love me some Dana White ….
My only complaint about him is this WWE style “heel” stuff with Lesnar. And I admire him for his lofty goals — no way he gets more popular then the NFL but you have to admire his tenacity.
I love it when Tito gets put in his place.
by HoustonRaven on Aug 15, 2008 10:58 AM EDT 0 recs
He's just being a politician
with all the hyperbole of being bigger than the NFL inside of a decade.
Like withdrawing troops from Iraq or whatever..buncha candidates call for immediate, unconditional withdrawal, but when it comes down to it they really only mean they’ll decrease the number by 30-50% and re-distribute the rest.
I’m not picking on anyone here, it’s politics. It’s necessary to be hyperbolic if you want to be successful in that arena.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on
Aug 15, 2008 11:06 AM EDT
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He was a wallflower...
Ive seen all seasons of the apprentice… it’s a great 101 in business especially in the earlier seasons.
Tito was a wall flower and when he did speak he stuttered… we need a youtube clip of the one presentation he made which was so bad I cringed and actually felt sorry for him.
by mmalogic on
Aug 15, 2008 11:46 AM EDT
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I remember
that episode. I laughed so hard when he gave that presentation. He spoke really low and when you could hear him he was mumbling.
by asmiley420 on
Aug 15, 2008 12:05 PM EDT
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That was of course the one episode that my dvr (satellite service) was interrupted several times. I heard about his presentation though. I don’t see why Trump was so impressed with Tito if he did that bad on his project. Maybe he was impressed with Tito going for it knowing Tito didn’t know what he was doing.
by lovingmma25 on
Aug 15, 2008 12:18 PM EDT
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i believe he felt sorry for the guy like...
It was more like trump felt sorry for the guy like you’d feel sorry for the mentally challenged.
by mmalogic on
Aug 15, 2008 12:22 PM EDT
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"The thoughts that I think"
That show is where Tito began trying to speak more intelligently than he is capable.
by Blackout612 on
Aug 15, 2008 3:36 PM EDT
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I’m guessing he liked having someone with MMA knowledge/credibility more than he liked Tito, considering the money to be made.
by mythbuster on
Aug 15, 2008 12:33 PM EDT
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People underestimate...
Although I don’t believe UFC or MMA will be bigger than soccer people underestimate the effect the Video Game will have…
Think of how many more educated fans there will be…
Think of how many more generations will be cultured with UFC through this game.
The implications with this game is far reaching.
All Zuffa needs now is a contract with ea sports through the wec and they are set.
And not to mention the advertising opportunities through platforms like xbox live.
by mmalogic on Aug 15, 2008 11:52 AM EDT 0 recs
Agreed...
Striking a deal with EA would be KEY for UFC. When this happens, you better believe things are gonna blow up for the sport. I myself am pumped for the new game coming out but it wont get as much marketing as it would if it was being dev and published by EA thats for sure.
by xFenixKnightx on
Aug 15, 2008 12:11 PM EDT
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They can't sign with EA
They’re signed with THQ, you can’t just up and leave. Besides, EA is the ESPN of sports videogames, and Peter Moore (who heads up the sports division of EA) seemed disinterested in MMA.
Besides, EA Sports is no sure thing beyond Madden (with which their product has stumbled numerous times) and EA as a whole have driven a lot of acquisitions into oblivion (Bullfrog, Maxis?).
by Blackout612 on
Aug 15, 2008 3:39 PM EDT
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your confused...
UFC is signed with THQ, not the WEC my friend… one of the perks of having 2 seperate orgs.
If you still don’t understand look at how zuffa got another cable tv deal even though UFC is signed with Spike… comprende?
by mmalogic on
Aug 15, 2008 3:46 PM EDT
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Past video games have done so much for them and PRIDE.
by D.Capitated on
Aug 15, 2008 12:16 PM EDT
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You don't understand the current gaming climate
You don’t understand the current gaming climate with xbox live type applications where people play with other people across continents …
Look at world of warcraft and it has become the biggest cult following ever – people have died playing it without sleeping and taking a shit.
The past pride and ufc games sucked… this game has already won sports game of the year on gamespy.
by mmalogic on
Aug 15, 2008 12:27 PM EDT
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WoW is a phenomenon. To compare any other game to it is ridiculous.
and, I say this as an avid wow player, the game is a hit for two reasons:
1: It’s basically a glorified chat room for kiddies,
2: A lot of other people already play it, so it makes it very easy for new players to get into the chat room aspect.
For most of the player base, it’s more of an animated Instant Messenger than game :)
by mythbuster on
Aug 15, 2008 12:36 PM EDT
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Damn...
I had a point going into that reply, but I lost it half way thru… I think my point was ‘Just because one game is a huge, crazy hit doesn’t mean they all are.’ No other game comes close.
by mythbuster on
Aug 15, 2008 12:37 PM EDT
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But XBL is huge and sports games are very popular. Comparing old Pride games as an example to the current market doesn’t make sense.
by LiuLang on
Aug 15, 2008 12:49 PM EDT
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Sports games based on popular sports are popular. Even if the UFC game does well (and it may very well be quite successful), there is not a single example of a sport, or for that matter, any activity done by man, which has risen into the mainstream thanks to video games.
by D.Capitated on
Aug 15, 2008 12:57 PM EDT
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It can create new fans..
..if it is a critically acclaimed videogame. If it’s a great fighting game, fighting game fans will buy it. Some of them will then be turned on to the UFC product. However, the likely result will be a good enough game to appease MMA fans, but not good enough for the mass videogaming population to adopt (it’ll score in the 8.0 neighborhood; this is THQ we’re talking about).
by Blackout612 on
Aug 15, 2008 3:43 PM EDT
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As a for instance..
..I could’ve given a shit about soccer when I was in high school, but Konami made an excellent series of soccer games for the Nintendo 64 called International Superstar Soccer. I bought that shit anually and it made me a little more likely to watch soccer with my younger brother, who’s way more into it than I am. Still don’t like soccer all that much, but I’d probably hate it still if not for those games. I know that Sega’s Virtua Tennis and EA’s Tiger Woods Golf games have had a similar effect on gamers.
by Blackout612 on
Aug 15, 2008 3:47 PM EDT
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I understand the gaming climate well, my friend. Even if the UFC game is better than Soul Calibur, it’s unlikely to make UFC a cultural phenomenon. There is a huge gap in terms of how people play and react to really good games based on fringe sports and MMORPGs, otherwise we’d be talking about how the Winning Eleven series has elevated soccer to national pasttime.
by D.Capitated on
Aug 15, 2008 12:50 PM EDT
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you dont understand the viral effect...
Listen, the game doesnt need to appeal to anyone in the beginning other than the current mma fan… why?
because it’s a p2p game that will take on a viral effect…
“get on xbox live so I can kick your ass”
You will see this phenomenon occur even if you don’t understand it now… just remember me when you do.
by mmalogic on
Aug 15, 2008 3:51 PM EDT
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Oh crap, now I actually am reading a playboy article. With no pictures! Had to be a first time.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Aug 15, 2008 12:09 PM EDT 0 recs
I have heard Playboy has some really good articles – award winning writers on the staff at that.
by lovingmma25 on
Aug 15, 2008 12:19 PM EDT
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I’ve also heard that they have advertisements, letters to the editor, cartoons and jokes, but I’ve never noticed any of them.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on
Aug 15, 2008 12:37 PM EDT
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"I swear this is true. I never thought it would happen to me.
I was watching womens indoor volleyball, and I happened to be the only other person in the gym…"
by mythbuster on
Aug 15, 2008 12:39 PM EDT
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Why are you dreaming things from my dayrunner? Ah, August 14th, it was a glorious day…
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on
Aug 15, 2008 12:51 PM EDT
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It’s a shame the deal with HBO fell out. Who cares if Zuffa would have lost control? It would have been better for the fans and MMA in general.
by steak_knife on Aug 15, 2008 4:16 PM EDT 0 recs
they don't need HBO.
UFC doesnt need HBO.
in Boxing you have hbo/showtime/epn as the “producers” and add in the promoters: don king, arum, golden boy, etc… plus the sanctioning bodies: ibf, wba, etc…
Imagine if one entity controlled all those factors in boxing…
Well in MMA all of those factors are controlled by Zuffa.
… now you’re begining to see how much power they have and why it is futile to try and compete with them..
And especially why they don’t need to cede control of a damn thing.
by mmalogic on
Aug 15, 2008 5:03 PM EDT
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I know they don’t need them. That’s not the issue. But HBO’s ability to put on a good-looking show is unparalleled. Dana White joked about their over-mentioning of Emmy’s, but HBO makes a valid point — when it comes to producing sports, there’s no contest.
by steak_knife on
Aug 15, 2008 8:56 PM EDT
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