Matt Hughes, Old, Cranky, Trashes St. Pierre
While I respected Matt Hughes for his incredible run as UFC champ I never liked him and he's certainly doing nothing to change that. Its one thing to talk a little trash about an upcoming opponent or a fighter you've beaten even, IMO its utterly disgraceful to talk smack about a fighter who has soundly beaten you so badly that there's NO interest in a fourth Matt Hughes/GSP match. There's a phrase for what Matt Hughes is now: sore loser.
From a MMA Shoot interview with Hughes:
HT Steve Cofield.
As a bonus, in the extended entry there's an animated gif of GSP pulling an absolutely brilliant sweep, the kind of move I doubt Matt Hughes could even diagram much less execute that is sheer poetry in motion and one no one watching with any understanding of the sport could find boring. If Matt Hughes ever wonders to himself why he'll never be champ again, its because he isn't learning. He's not the same guy who trained with Militech and Horn anymore, that guy would have watched the whole fight.

This brilliant sweep reversal is something you'd never see Matt Hughes do in a million years. This is an incredible move, watch how GSP climbs down Fitch's limbs to escape bottom position and then get the takedown, all in one smoothly executed and clearly rehearsed move.
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Ah, Matt Hughes. Clearly Serra is the only interesting fight left for him.
by idefinecagefighter on Aug 14, 2008 7:41 PM EDT 0 recs
How does a dominate victory over a superb fighter knock you out of p4p contention? This is another guy like Randy to me. Sure he was a great fighter and also made the UFC their share of money. Yet there comes a time in a mans life when you should grow into something else. Bas for example.
by Tommy7 on Aug 14, 2008 7:44 PM EDT 0 recs
Do you believe that people who have the largest soap boxes in the blogosphere influence other people’s thoughts? Bad mouthing Matt Hughes at the tail end of his career, when new fans who are coming in can’t comprehend what he did, spreads your opinion to people who don’t know enough to have their own.
What I’m asking is, how does it feel to think for people?
by godzillad on Aug 14, 2008 7:44 PM EDT 0 recs
somebody's got to do it
And if Hughes didn’t talk so much shit about so many people, I wouldn’t be telling the mouth-breathers that he’s a jerk.
by Kid Nate on
Aug 14, 2008 8:03 PM EDT
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Matt Hughes biggest personality flaw is his raging ego and pride. This is what happens when he cant accept the inevitable. Good to see someone call him out for it.
Calling him a sour old man doesnt take away from the dominance in his prime. It simply tells it as we see it.
by Benicio on
Aug 14, 2008 8:26 PM EDT
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I guess
Bobby Fischer didn’t become a paranoid anti-Semite, either. He was just a great chess player. Wait a second……SOMEONE CAN BE BOTH!
by Jiiri on
Aug 14, 2008 8:27 PM EDT
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Maybe you should be asking other people how it feels not to think for themselves!
by Chris Nelson on
Aug 14, 2008 9:00 PM EDT
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Matt Hughes is a jerk. Great fighters can be dicks and Hughes is the king of all dicks. From his behavior (that is essentially that of a high school wrestling jock bully), to some of the things that are excerpted from his book (don’t ask), to stated opinions from fighters and their relatives that have encountered him (research his comments on Kim Couture), Hughes is just an asshole supreme and one of the very few people in the world of MMA that I simply cannot stand.
by Blackout612 on Aug 14, 2008 7:51 PM EDT 0 recs
That’s my point. New fans will come here and read what you just said and take it to heart. They won’t know of the dominant pound for pound legend Matt Hughes, all they’ll have seen is what is told to them. They’ll know the “King of Dicks Jock Bully Past His Prime One Dimensional Overrated Asshole” you all perpetrate him to be and thus, a legacy of hard work and wins is tarnished forever by a keyboard..
by godzillad on
Aug 14, 2008 7:58 PM EDT
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they won’t know of the dominant pound for pound legend Matt Hughes
Sure they will. No one will ever doubt the fact that Matt Hughes is one of the greatest MMA fighters who has ever lived. Anyone who tries to deny that is a fool. Anyone can look up his record and see his impact on MMA. But he’s a dick sometimes and the video is about him being a dick, therefore we’re discussing Matt “The Dick” Hughes and not Matt “World Champion” Hughes.
by Tonley on
Aug 14, 2008 8:04 PM EDT
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no, by his actions
If we all ignored Matt Hughes or said, “well Matt Hughes is an all time great, so he’s allowed to be a dick” that would be bad, but we’re just responding to what he is today.
OJ Simpson was an all time great on the gridiron, but I’m not going to let that prevent me from pointing out he’s a fucking murderer.
Obviously Matt Hughes is nothing of the kind, but he is a dick.
by Kid Nate on
Aug 14, 2008 8:05 PM EDT
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This is...
A weird and kind of stupid point. If someone navigates to this site and reads someone’s opinions and just adopts that opinion, I think you should be more worried about way more than how they feel about Matt Hughes. Who are they voting for? What else do they read? My point is, who gives a shit? If a new fan comes here and just accepts anyone else’s opinion about ANY fighter, it’s pointless to worry about that guy – he simply doesn’t think for himself. Think of how many things you have to keep that guy away from so he isn’t unduly influenced by ANYTHING HE READS ANYWHERE. No newspapers, no books, no tv. It’s just a dumb and weird point.
Anyway, it’s simply true that Matt Hughes is an arrogant prick – all our imaginary dumbass BE reader has to do is watch the TUF he coached to have all of Nate’s opinions verified anyway.
by Jiiri on
Aug 14, 2008 8:09 PM EDT
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What other dimension does Matt have other then wrestling? Striking? BJJ? Judo?
by Tommy7 on
Aug 14, 2008 8:09 PM EDT
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I have that power?
If someone’s stupid enough to discredit his athletic accomplishments because he’s a dick, they’re probably stupid enough to love him for it. Hmm..
by Blackout612 on
Aug 14, 2008 8:13 PM EDT
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It's arguments like this....
that make me think of that saying “Arguing on the internet is like playing in the special olympic. Even if you win, you’re still a retard” (with appropriate apologies to any mentally handicapped BE readers). IT does feel like trolling sometimes, the arguments are just bad.
by Jiiri on
Aug 14, 2008 8:16 PM EDT
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lol
No, I’m calling ME a retard. I like you, that joke was funny.
by Jiiri on
Aug 14, 2008 8:20 PM EDT
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WEAK
I wish someone would call me a retard. Someday…
by Blackout612 on
Aug 14, 2008 8:21 PM EDT
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I’d rather include it as a quote in my sig. It could be like “if u don like huges ur a retard d00d!!!!!”
by Blackout612 on
Aug 14, 2008 8:35 PM EDT
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Really??
Can you put a space between my first and last name??
by Chris Nelson on
Aug 14, 2008 9:02 PM EDT
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let me check with the powers that be
I was kinda just talking shit but it might be possible.
by Kid Nate on
Aug 14, 2008 9:52 PM EDT
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Dude
Don’t split your names. It’s your calling card. It’s what separates you from all the other Chris Nelson’s of the world. It’s the shizz.
by Cannon Jacques on
Aug 14, 2008 10:02 PM EDT
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Nate did recognize Matt as an incredible UFC champ. Just not one with much to like other then that. It’s all perspective though. We as people hold people to different standerds. Because Matt was such a good champion and a ‘christian’ it’s weird to see him always act like a ego jerk. Why bother? Kinda like people not likeing Brocks lasso ride on Herrings back. Yet people laughed at Randy’s spanking of Tito.
by Tommy7 on Aug 14, 2008 8:04 PM EDT 0 recs
Spanking vs. Lasso Ride
Spanking of Tito = Highly deserved.
Lasso Ride on Herring = Not deserved.
by Island_Thunder on
Aug 14, 2008 8:19 PM EDT
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Maybe
Maybe Matt Hughes actually does know more about fighting in the weight he dominated for years. than Kid ‘armchair’ Nate. He said GSP looked alot smaller than when he fought him which could well be true.
If Hughes wipes the floor with Serra and one more top opponent he’ll ‘be back’ and everyone will be shocked. Maybe he actually knows what he’s talking about.
by 813278 on Aug 14, 2008 8:06 PM EDT 0 recs
Uummm....
It’s gonna take a bit more than beating Sera to ‘be back’ for Hughes. He’s not looked like the Matt of old for a good bit now, and he needs to beat someone a bit better than Sera to ‘be back.’ I like Sera, but the guy has turned a fortunate punch into quite a ride. GSP beats him 9/10 times, and Sera hit his 1. I would be shocked if anyone who knows anything about MMA proclaimed Hughes to be back on top after a win over Sera – even a dominant one.
by Jiiri on
Aug 14, 2008 8:13 PM EDT
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"armchair" Nate! I love it
I’m more of a sofa man actually, more room for my fat ass, but that’s pretty good.
by Kid Nate on
Aug 14, 2008 8:21 PM EDT
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eh ehmm..OJ was found not guilty. The glove didn’t fit remember?
by Tommy7 on Aug 14, 2008 8:07 PM EDT 0 recs
i'm still groaning about that one
all that case proved was that our jury system is fucked in this country and that rich people can get away with murder.
by Kid Nate on
Aug 14, 2008 8:18 PM EDT
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Plenty of innocent people are found guilty, guess it’s only fair some guilty people get off. It’s not like he’s out gloating about it and writing books called ‘If I Did It, Here’s How it Happened.’
by Tommy7 on
Aug 14, 2008 8:24 PM EDT
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Shortest....
yest most erudite comment in this thread to date.
by Jiiri on
Aug 14, 2008 8:17 PM EDT
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FOR THE RECORD
What St. Pierre pulls off is a reversal and not a sweep. It’s also one Big Nog has hit on several occasions.
by Luke Thomas on Aug 14, 2008 8:17 PM EDT 0 recs
Nog does the cradle part but I don’t memmer him shimmying out from between anyone’s legs first. He did it against Sylvia.
by godzillad on
Aug 14, 2008 8:24 PM EDT
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yeah i'd love to see other instances of the full move
not just the final grab of the knee but the grab of the arm with the left, then the butt with the right then the knee with the left for the reversal and then the knee with the right for the take down. Its a stepladder sequence.
by Kid Nate on
Aug 14, 2008 8:27 PM EDT
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I've never seen this before
I don’t doubt Luke if he says Big Nog did it, but the closest I’ve seen Big Nog come is the move Big Nog used to reverse Sylvia and that’s only the very last bit if I recall correctly, not the ladder climb down the body that GSP does to Fitch here.
by Kid Nate on
Aug 15, 2008 12:25 AM EDT
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I'm sure of it
I can’t remember which fight it was off hand, but I know it’s true. I learned it in class a couple of years ago and then saw Nog do it like a week later.
by Luke Thomas on
Aug 15, 2008 8:39 AM EDT
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Hughes said that Lawler handily beat up Smith in their first match. I thought that was almost as crazy as discrediting GSP in the Fitch fight. If Hughes doesn’t want criticism, he shouldn’t say crazy shit.
by Cannon Jacques on Aug 14, 2008 8:23 PM EDT 0 recs
Hughes is a douchebag. What a sore loser. GSP is the future and he cannot handle it… he’s done. He had a good run.. but it’s done.
Rob Dib
http://www.break-you-face.com
by Rob Dib on Aug 14, 2008 9:08 PM EDT 0 recs
As a bonus, in the extended entry there’s an animated gif of GSP pulling an absolutely brilliant sweep, the kind of move I doubt Matt Hughes could even diagram much less execute.
Strong words from a guy that doesn’t even know the difference between a sweep, reversal, or an escape. Hughes actually has pretty good jits for a wrestler, I think he learned most of it from Jeremy Horn. You are right about him being a dick, but then again, aren’t we all?
by Nate414 on Aug 14, 2008 9:42 PM EDT 0 recs
touche
Hughes did learn some nice JJ back in his day — good finishes from the top, a little bit of guard work — but he never was very good at getting out from under.
regardless I definitely went too far in that last sentence.
by Kid Nate on
Aug 14, 2008 9:53 PM EDT
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Who’s put Hughes on his back? GSP. Who puts everyone on their back? GSP.
Besides that, when has Hughes been on the bottom? If you added up the amount of time Matt has had someone in his guard it would be minuscule if anything. I don’t understand how you probably think Hughes is so one dimensional when he’s had only six, SIX, decision wins since the new millennium began over eight and a half years ago. 33 of 42 wins are stoppages.
by godzillad on
Aug 14, 2008 11:33 PM EDT
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Hughes is definitely not one dimensional
but I would say he’s two dimensional.
He is obviously a good wrestler — better from the outside than in the clinch IMO, and his JJ game is quite good.
But his striking is just not where it needs to be to compete at the elite levels anymore. The dude is a first ballot hall of famer, legend of the sport and utter dickhead.
by Kid Nate on
Aug 15, 2008 12:21 AM EDT
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I guess Hughes has a reason to be so cranky.
Must be pretty hard to realize that you’re no longer the top dog, but just a stepping stone.
I’m thinking Serra is his last fight. I don’t think his heart is in the sport anymore, despite what he’s said in the past about having a few more fights in him.
by pud333 on Aug 15, 2008 12:25 AM EDT 0 recs
Double Whammy: Hughes is a dick and Sylvia is a dancing bear
"Tim Sylvia walked over to me during practice. His back was hunched a bit, like Pat’s is, but Pat I could look in the face.
‘Can I talk to you a second?’ he asked.
"Sure thing." He led me into an office and we sat down on two chairs.
"No one here’s got a problem with me except you," he began.
"When I first started, Jens would say I’m a fat piece of s*** who’s never going to amount to anything, and he’d get me crying, but now even Jens likes me. Is there a problem?"
He was waiting for me to tell him there was a big misunderstanding or to apologise, like I wasn’t aware of what I was doing.
"Yeah, I really don’t like you," I told him.
"Is there a reason why?"
"I don’t think you’re a team player and I don’t think you work very hard," I said.
"How am I not a team player?"
"Remember that whole thing with that girl?" I reminded him.
He waved those ridiculously long arms of his in the air. "They weren’t even going out!"
"Yeah, but you knew that your teammate had a thing for her and you went for it anyway. But I don’t even care about that. I’m talking more about training.
"When somebody’s got a fight coming up, everybody tries to make sure the guy’s got some training partners to get ready.
"Everybody tries but you. Your first priority is always Tim, and I don’t think that’s a good attitude."
I wasn’t angry or even annoyed. I had as much emotion as if I were talking about the contents of a fridge.
"I don’t think you work very hard either. You’re a little sore and you don’t come in.
"Jens, who’s a champion, has been sore and he comes in. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been sore.
"No one’s ever going to be 100 percent. You just suck it up and you do it, period."
I didn’t care one way or another what he said in response – I assumed he’d get defensive or angry.
But he didn’t; he was reasonable.
"I’m actually hurt to hear you say that. I’ve been a huge fan of yours for a long time and I’ve been trying to model myself on some of your work ethics, and the way Jens works out and stuff like that, and it’s too bad you feel like this.
"There’s nothing more that I want than to be accepted by you and the rest of the guys."
"You don’t become accepted by buying yourself a ticket to Vegas, following us around while we’re there when no one really invited you, and then crying – again – when Jens calls you out on it."
"Is there anything I can do to be friends with you?"
"Well, right now I have enough friends and I don’t need any more friends," I said. "Is that it? Are we done here?"
He let out a deep breath. "Yeah, I guess."
"Good." I got up and left.
by Blackout612 on Aug 15, 2008 12:44 AM EDT 0 recs
...and Tito gets punked (Hughes recounting the ol' Lee Murray incident)
"So it’s four o’clock in the morning and they had everybody leave the club, right? Well, the UFC had bussed us all over there but they didn’t have a bus to take us back. It’s down to Mark, me [Pat Miletich], Tony Fryklund, Chuck Liddell, Tito [Ortiz] and Lee Murray. Lee Murray’s crew was still there, Tito’s crew was also still there. I walked out the back door to go in the alley. Tito’s buddy jumped on my back. He jumped on my back and acted like he had me in a choke hold, just messing around, you know? Then I felt him get ripped off of me. I turned around and Tony Fryklund had HIM in a chokehold, and was really choking him. The guy looked like a mouse that just got trapped in a mousetrap; his eyes were popping out and obviously he wasn’t breathing. Tony thought he was actually attacking me – that’s the only reason he did it. So I turned round and told Tony to let him go, and Tony let him go. Then Tito’s buddy turned around and basically said ‘what the f*** are you doing?’ to Tony. Well, when he said that, one of Lee Murray’s buddies, that one guy who kind of took care of us all week long, thought this guy was actually trying to fight us, so he ran out of the crowd and cracked this kid with a right hand and knocked him out cold…. The entire alley erupted into a huge brawl. I was just standing there, and there were bodies flying all over the place. I was confused how it all happened, because it happened so fast. I was standing there with my mouth open like ‘what the hell is going on?’ I looked over and Chuck Liddell was with his back against the wall, knocking people out that were trying to go after him. Then I looked over and there’s Tito directly past me, taking his coat off, going after Lee Murray, and Lee Murray’s backing up the alley taking his jacket off. Both their jackets come off, and Tito throws a left hook at Lee Murray and misses, and right as he missed, Lee Murray counters with, like, a five-punch combo, landed right on the chin, and knocked Tito out. OUT. Tito fell face-first down to the ground, and then Lee Murray stomped him on the face a couple of times with his boots."
by Blackout612 on Aug 15, 2008 12:47 AM EDT 0 recs
The next time I saw Joe Riggs was months later when I was visiting Audra’s brother, Tommy, out in Arizona. I had a sponsor out there in Phoenix who sponsored a lot of other fighters too. I met with the guy when I was there, and Joe and his wife were at the house.
“Hey, this is my wife, Kim,” Joe said.
I shook her hand. “Sorry, but I’m the guy that beat your husband up.” I started laughing. Tommy started laughing. The sponsor started laughing.
Joe did not.
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Aug 15, 2008 2:20 AM EDT
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He's a liar, too
(He’s talking about Royce, and he isn’t very greatful)
Anthony Giordano came huffing into the locker room. “That was awesome man, that was awesome. I can’t believe you did that.”
“Anthony, I bet any of the top five welterweights in the UFC would have beat him too. BJ would have beaten him. Georges would have beaten him. No doubt about it. It’s not a big deal.”
A tall, gorgeous woman with long brown hair and a beauty mark came up to me and wanted my attention. “I lost a bet and I was wondering if you would sign my breast.”
“I don’t usually sign skin but since my wife is here I think I can make an exception.” She gave me a Sharpie and I signed her chest.
“Thanks,” she said, smiling a million-dollar smile. “Great fight.” She took the marker, shook my hand, and left.
“Anthony, was that….?”
“Yeah,” he said. “That was Cindy Crawford.”
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Aug 15, 2008 2:22 AM EDT
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This part, right?
http://img58.imageshack.us/my.php?image=giantsilva8quvc5.jpg
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by godzillad on
Aug 15, 2008 6:35 AM EDT
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I read that it was true
..but you’re telling me he didn’t know it was Cindy fucking Crawford?
by Blackout612 on
Aug 15, 2008 12:54 PM EDT
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...and strangely making fun of Canadian's and talking about how awesome he is in street fights
Whenever I walked into the room at the training center, Georges walked right out of it. Finally I cornered him at the sushi restaraunt. “Georges, what practice do you want to come to and I’ll go to the other one?” I couldn’t stop thinking about that old joke about Canadian army rifles on sale: Never fired, dropped once. I thought, “I would not want this guy by my side in combat, or outnumbered by thugs. It’s one thing to be tough in a cage with a ref, but another thing when you’re in a street fight in an alley.”
by Blackout612 on
Aug 15, 2008 2:23 AM EDT
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He never did have the greatest stand-up…
(I’m sorry.)
by Chris Nelson on
Aug 15, 2008 2:09 PM EDT
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Is it weird
..that I kinda want to buy his book just to see how much crap like this is actually in it? I read somewhere that the only opposing fighter he even comes close to showing any respect through out the entire book is BJ Penn. And I guess he trashes Timmay pretty much the whole way through.
by Blackout612 on
Aug 15, 2008 3:20 PM EDT
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I think I read a chapter by chapter synopsis on Sherdog. I really didn’t want to have to wade through the whole thing. Matt Polly does these MMA-related book reviews on Fightlinker that are pretty cool. Maybe he’ll do this one if he hasn’t already. Like Hughes or not, the stuff that rattles around in his head, then eventually finds its way out of his mouth tend to be funny in a cocky/delusional way.
by Cannon Jacques on
Aug 15, 2008 3:43 PM EDT
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Haha, that's great.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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