Obstacles to the UFC Signing Fedor Emelianenko
Loretta Hunt has a piece up on the potential Randy Couture vs. Fedor Emelianenko fight that we have all been waiting for for so long now. Vadim Finkelstein again makes it clear that he is willing to negotiate and do this fight in the UFC, but the devil is in the details:
"We, M-1, we're not in any way against working with the UFC. We've spoken to them before about the possibility of working together. Anything's possible," said Finkelstein.
Finkelstein proposed that an agreement could be reached if UFC President Dana White was "willing to meet halfway."
If round two of negotiations with Zuffa were to take place shortly, Finkelstein said he might be open to a two-fight deal with Couture the first opponent on the ledger. However, Finkelstein seemed less than assured that the UFC would budge from the original offer they made nearly eleven months ago.
A two-fight deal is really a nonstarter, but then again I think that is partially a negotiation ploy to start there. Dana cannot allow Fedor to come in, destroy Couture and Lesnar, and then leave.
Someone within the industry made the argument the other day to me that a one fight deal makes sense for the UFC. Here is the argument: "Even if Fedor wins, there is no major promotion that can take advantage of it in a meaningful way. Affliction will have serious money issues going forward, and even if they run moderately successful shows every few months one day, that is no threat to the UFC. Pro Elite cannot offer anywhere near what Zuffa can, and who knows that their future is at this point? By doing the fight, the UFC would make millions in revenue on Pay Per View, they would deny any other promotion the chance to put the biggest fight ever on, and they could even get lucky and kill Fedor's myth if Randy beats him."
I am very skeptical of this argument, though I concede that allowing another promotion to do Randy-Fedor would be a huge loss for the UFC.
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I sort of thought about a one fight deal. Let Couture and Fedor fight. Then, let them both hit the road. I think Zuffa would just rather ignore Fedor, though. If you put him on a UFC ppv and he beats Randy, you’ve made him a star in North America. I’m not sure what he could do with the stardom. He’s some kind of threat to the UFC, nonetheless. I just can’t see Randy beating him, so the chances are probably minimal that you destroy Fedor’s credibility as the top heavyweight.
by Cannon Jacques on Aug 13, 2008 6:38 PM EDT 0 recs
UFC controls all the cards...
The UFC controls all the cards, hence… they dictate the terms.
Imagine if fedor destroyed silvia like that on a UFC card?
Fedor would have become a star overnight… how much is that worth to Vadim?
No matter how much the UFC makes on the fight it would be utterly stupid and short sighted of the UFC to do it without locking fedor in.
Randy-v-fedor isn’t happening unless the UFC allows it.
Ive said this before the UFC needs to restructure there relationships with their fighters where they share more diverse revenue (back end licensing, exclusive sponsorship deals, etc…) and they can lock the fighters careers with the UFC (3 year non compete).
This way they can sincerely promote every fighter as the fighters brand will be tied to the UFC’s brand and they can get out of this stupid contract business.
The UFC holds all the cards but there will always be the “ortiz’s” and coutoures” where individuals brands get big enough because of UFC’s promotion and the fighters performances where the next “affliction” is willing to pony up.
There will always be another affliction coming and going. Not one will last but they will come and go.
by mmalogic on Aug 13, 2008 6:45 PM EDT 0 recs
No one fight deal
One, Fedor is not a big a draw in the US as Lesnar is, so the UFC won’t make any more millions by putting on Fedor Couture than they could by putting on Lesnar vs anyone. In fact, they’d make more money having Lesnar headline the PPV than Fedor Couture, because they could pay a lot less for Lesnar’s next fight than they would have to pay for Fedor Couture.
Second, it doesn’t matter that all the other orgs are struggling right now. The reason they are struggling is because of lack of exposure. Fedor fighting on a UFC card will give whatever org is still around at that time or whatever the next org that comes around is all the exposure that they need.
It makes no sense for the UFC to spend what they spend promoting fights and hyping the show to blow it on a one deal shot with Fedor. Fedor will benefit much more than they will.
by Phildo on Aug 13, 2008 7:04 PM EDT 0 recs
You could be right about Fedor on PPV, but cable people and others in the PPV industry think the fight will do at a minimum 700,000 buys, all the way up to 1.3 million depending on how the UFC promotes it.
by Michael Rome on
Aug 13, 2008 7:25 PM EDT
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If Affliction couldn’t get 100k with their stacked card, why would you think that Fedor can sell 1.3m? Anything pass 300k are all casual fan buys. Fedor would not be able to sell anything pass the 100k hard cores that bought Affliction.
Look at it this way, Anderson Silva, a spectacular striker and arguably the best pound for pound fighter couldn’t sell 300k buys with the UFC name, then why would a lesser known fighter like Fedor sell 1.3 mil, even with Randy Couture? Randy VS Chuck in their hey days could sell that, but not the Randy of today versus the unknown Russian. These kinds of miscalculation is why Affliction will go out of the fight business by the end of the year.
by cyph on
Aug 13, 2008 8:26 PM EDT
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Does anyone actually have a final number on Affliction or just the PPV estimates from beforehand that Meltzer couldn’t decide either beat or likely met afterwards?
by D.Capitated on
Aug 14, 2008 9:02 AM EDT
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I have no reason to doubt Meltzer as he’s been reliable in the past. Unless Affliction comes out and contradict anything Meltzer says, I think his words are as good as gold. Furthermore, an independent third party’s words are better than anything Attencio may say right now.
by cyph on
Aug 14, 2008 9:50 AM EDT
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Meltzer came out immediately after and said it probably exceeded expectations. Then he went back and pointed out the expectations for the show. So, Meltzer actually hasn’t given any numbers at all.
by D.Capitated on
Aug 14, 2008 1:23 PM EDT
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He gave out the PPV estimations which he alternately said after the show there were expectations may have been beaten. I still don’t see any numbers yet. You don’t see him coming back with a UFC number being “somewhere between” anything.
by D.Capitated on
Aug 14, 2008 2:59 PM EDT
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He came out with these numbers about a week after the event.
by mmalogic on
Aug 14, 2008 3:17 PM EDT
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from the randy fedor end of things, they are looking at a two fight deal (have fedor sign for two fights, randy is already under contract for two more) with the winner of randy vs fedor getting nog….. not sure how they would slot the loser
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by robnashville on Aug 13, 2008 7:29 PM EDT 0 recs
Why would the UFC ever let Fedor fight Nog without him being locked up well into the future?
by Cannon Jacques on
Aug 13, 2008 7:31 PM EDT
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i’m not saying that they are gonna get what they want but that is what they are proposing….
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by robnashville on
Aug 13, 2008 7:33 PM EDT
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I got ya.
I can’t ever see them getting that proposal pushed through.
by Cannon Jacques on Aug 13, 2008 7:40 PM EDT 0 recs
I know that this was debated TO DEATH in a post a couple of weeks (?) ago, but I’m honestly not all that interested in a Randy-Fedor fight at this point. Oh, I know it would be a huge draw, etc. etc., so it makes smart business sense, but I just don’t see how Randy, at the midpoint between 40 and 50 years of age, and after not fighting for… geez, how long is it now?... could possibly beat Fedor. Dirty boxing? Bad idea. Ground control? Not if you’ve seen how quick Fedor throws up armbars. Out strike him? Kinda like trying to outstrike an angry grizzly…
Not that Fedor’s unbeatable. But I just don’t think Randy, at his age and after such a long lay-off and with his skill set, is the guy to do it.
by AJB on Aug 13, 2008 7:40 PM EDT 0 recs
Completely agree.
I’d be much more interested in Lidell/Fedor at heavyweight. I think Chuck might have a path to victory with his counterstriking and takedown defense. I just can’t imagine how Randy can pull it off. I guess it’s possible, but the chances for him seem very very slim. I don’t see how you could argue that Chuck/Fedor wouldn’t be a huge draw.
by Cannon Jacques on
Aug 13, 2008 7:45 PM EDT
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One other point
If this fight happens someone other than the UFC, that fight alone could make that promotion.
From an industry leader standpoint, it’d be great if “mega fights like this can only happen in the UFC” versus having someone else put on the biggest fight of all-time (hyperbole noted)
It’s tough to say on this one, but I think UFC is safest to just stay away from the fight if they can’t lock up Fedor for 3 fights.
by ghettoiam on Aug 13, 2008 7:45 PM EDT 0 recs
this fight wont happen unless the UFC allows it....
That’s just it…
This fight won’t happen unless UFC allows it.
Everyone is assuming that there is a chance of it happening – there is no chance.
If there were a chance UFC would be done – as this would destroy their business model.
by mmalogic on
Aug 13, 2008 8:06 PM EDT
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conflict of interest...
Here’s where the conflict of interest comes in…
Vadim is looking out for M-1 not Fedor.
Vadim knows his only leverage in this industry is Fedor so he needs to milk him as much as possible and use that leverage to launch his m-1 global organization.
He knows the best way to launch m-1 global is through the UFC as they are the leader by leaps and bounds.
He basically wants equity from the UFC for fedor… their brand equity that is.
No way will the UFC do it nor do they need to do it.
If the UFC doesnt lock fedor in it would be penny wise pound foolish.
by mmalogic on Aug 13, 2008 8:04 PM EDT 0 recs
Fedor is fighting in a sambo championship around the same time of Affliction 2. So much for his hand injury. When you pay a fighter this much money, you need to lock them up. Without doing so, all your marketing and PR only serves to benefit the fighter, where they can bring their worth else where. Furthermore, you can’t plan your business properly because you’re at the mercy of the fighter’s whim. Case in point: Fedor.
by cyph on
Aug 13, 2008 8:39 PM EDT
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speaking of conflict of interest, having Loretta Hunt, who has a business relationship with Randy, do news items on Randy’s potential opponent, wow.
by andherewego on
Aug 13, 2008 8:42 PM EDT
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The UFC will never do a one fight deal.
They’re about control and a one fight deal would be a lack there of.
by pud333 on Aug 13, 2008 10:21 PM EDT 0 recs
The biggest obstacle to this fight is Randy Couture. You can get into playing the blaming game all one likes. That facts are Randy decided to play it this way. He could have fought those two fights real quick and hunted down Fedor. He choose these actions as his route to Fedor. Let’s face it anyways guys. There are better fights (as far as competition) for Fedor then Randy.
by Tommy7 on Aug 13, 2008 10:23 PM EDT 0 recs
The UFC will never sign Fedor.
At this point they’ll just let their competitors use Fedor and have him drain them of funds and run them out of business. He’s still a unknown entity for casual MMA fans (the guys that are the UFCs bread and butter).
Even when there is no one left who is willing to pay the crazy sums they’re asking the UFC likely won’t sign a deal with him, we all know how White likes to hold grudges against fighters that don’t play ball.
by pr0cs on Aug 13, 2008 10:38 PM EDT 0 recs
I think MMALogic has a point: Vadim specifically mentioned M-1. Any deal with Fedor will include M-1 being a co-promoter and getting a cut of the gate. It will also likely include other clauses as well.
Fedor owns his footage from the Affliction show and got the international rights to the show.
If Affliction ever wanted to use that footage outside of the U.S., they would have to pay Vadim to air it.
His overall deal was likely worth millions.
Any deal for that fight would have Randy insisting on the exact same pay. If Fedor’s crew is getting a cut of the gate and ppvs, Randy will want the same.
I honestly think that fight would end up costing between 6-8 million dollars. 3-4 million in downside pay and millions in gate and ppv revenues.
by Lynchman on Aug 13, 2008 10:53 PM EDT 0 recs
Fedor and Fink need UFC more than UFC needs them
Fedor will never really break the popularity threshold without the UFC marketing machine and the popularity of the UFC product. Meet halfway? Nah man.. Dana’s got the cards and Fedor’s camp will buckle to make the Couture fight happen.
by Blackout612 on Aug 13, 2008 11:33 PM EDT 0 recs
Nah, I figure it will never happen. They don’t need to buckle. They can make millions with Affliction and M-1 and not be tied to any contract. Maybe Fink needs it, but not Fedor.
by Michael Rome on
Aug 13, 2008 11:55 PM EDT
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the time will come...
How long can affliction pay fedor? At most one more fight.
Japan is drying up… and cro cop is a bigger draw there than fedor.
If Vadim were smart he would try to put a a 1 fight deal together with elite xc where fedor fights kimbo.
It’s a long shot but elite may be desperate enough to go for it.
The pay here is meaningless as the threat of kimbo is meaningless… this will basically be a free infomercial for fedor. Thus giving Vadim the leverage he needs.
If affliction were smart they would quit trying to play promoter and sign a deal with cbs to be the official clothing sponsor and migrate all their fighters over.
This way they at least get eye balls on their brand for all the money they are throwing out the window.
tighten up the purses and you have a more formidable scenario.
TV, Money, and a decent talent pool.
Now you can think of trying to be pepsi to UFC’s coke.
by mmalogic on
Aug 14, 2008 12:55 AM EDT
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NO !!!
Why would elite put there biggest star up aginst Fedor to get destroyed only to have Fedor walk away that makes no sence what so ever ?
by Shocbomb on
Aug 14, 2008 6:47 AM EDT
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Making the amount that he is at Affliction shows isn’t sustainable. I like Affliction’s product (in it’s infancy, at least), but the fact that they were sticker shocked at how poorly they fared financially is a worse sign than the loss itself. Doesn’t look good for those guys. All told, the UFC will offer more money long term (again, sustainable), as well as the more respectable product and quite possibly the only way to enable a fight with Couture. Which is not to say the UFC won’t work towards an agreement—they will encourage a deal, but they won’t meet Fink halfway.
by Blackout612 on
Aug 14, 2008 1:45 AM EDT
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It looks like they may have learned a lesson though, I think their overall payroll is going to be down significantly for the next show. They’re still paying Barnett, Arlovski, and Lindland way too much, but they locked themselves into that with the contracts.
Frankly, Fedor is very well-off financially. He can live out a rich life without the UFC and go down as the greatest fighter of all time (so far). The longer he stays away, the more UFC will pay to get him. He is really the one in the driver’s seat right now.
by Michael Rome on
Aug 14, 2008 1:54 AM EDT
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You’re a hardcore fan, my friend. But your love of Fedor has blinded you. The UFC will not pay for Fedor now that they have Lesnar. Perception is reality, and as long as the fans have Lesnar (to the fans, nobody can beat him), they will never need Fedor.
by cyph on
Aug 14, 2008 10:28 AM EDT
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They don’t need the UFC and the paydays they’ve gotten prove it.
by D.Capitated on
Aug 14, 2008 9:03 AM EDT
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Michael,
I don’t know that I agree with that,
The UFC has shown that they can accept not having Fedor.
I think each side can live with the idea of never working with the other.
by Lynchman on Aug 14, 2008 7:32 AM EDT 0 recs
OH FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST
Dana cannot allow Fedor to come in, destroy Couture and Lesnar, and then leave.
Those are the names you come up with? Couture and LESNAR?
I have officially stopped taking you seriously.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Aug 14, 2008 7:43 AM EDT 0 recs
who's a bigger draw than lesar
in the ufc heavyweight div ? do tell
by fanaddict on Aug 14, 2008 10:17 AM EDT 0 recs
Really? Now that Lesnar’s in the UFC, that’s the only metric that matters? This isn’t about the best fights or the best fighters anymore? It’s just drawing power?
Wow: it’s too late, the WWE crowd has already taken over the UFC fanbase.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on
Aug 14, 2008 10:33 AM EDT
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Jesus, grow up. The entire UFC office knows that they’re going to do heavy promotion of Lesnar as a future star. Matt Hughes, Randy Couture, Fedor, Rampage, and numerous other stars see him as a major force. Letting some other guy come in and destroy your future star and drawing card is idiotic. The fact that you don’t understand that is not surprising, but it’s really annoying considering your tone, because legends of MMA respect a guy that you just can’t bring yourself around to respect.
Fighting business has always been about making money. I hope you never have the unfortunate experience of running a business if you can’t get that through your mind.
by Michael Rome on
Aug 14, 2008 12:41 PM EDT
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Being told to “grow up” is cracking me up. It really is. Ha.
Look: you can keep avoiding talking about the issues all you want by going ad hominem. But I’d rather argue the point.
Let me spell out my point for you, and hopefully this time you’ll read it: Every professional sport is a business – but there’s a continuum there, from all-business to almost-amateur. You can be comfortable with the UFC being at any particular point – I don’t care. But as a fan who wants to see fights based on the quality of the athletes and the quality of the fights, I don’t give a damn about who’s a bigger draw. Because I’m not the business owner. BUT! I am one of the many fans who pays for just about every PPV, and the UFC is in the business of showing the fights that I want to see, not the fights that teenagers who have to get mommy’s permission to have a sleepover while they watch their favorite pro wrestler want to see. I’m in the 18-34 demographic, and I’ve spent WAY more on the UFC that most people.
And you know what’s great about the UFC? They don’t seem to care as much as you do about drawing power. They put their champs – the ones that are big stars and making them millions – on the line all the time against serious – and seriously unmarketable – competition.
- Chuck vs. Rampage – Sure we all think of Rampage as marketable now (less so with the cuckoo thing), but Chuck is the moneymaker of the organization, and Rampage doesn’t sell PPVs.
- Franklin vs. Silva – The UFC may have gained a champion who is in the top 4 pound-for-pound fighters in the world, but they lost somebody who was well liked in the midwest where they’re trying to grow their brand and could speak English.
- Sylvia vs. Nogueira – Nobody may like Sylvia – I know I don’t – but at least the guy was a little marketable. Nog, for all his skills, a) doesn’t speak English and b) isn’t the sort of “action” fighter that sells PPVs. Luckily, Sylvia was becoming less of an “action” fighter, so it wasn’t much of a loss.
Here’s the point in a nutshell, so if you’re going to skip reading the rest of my comment, at least get this part: what separates WWE from the UFC isn’t the ring vs. the octagon, it isn’t the steroids vs. regulation, it isn’t the antics vs. the class. It’s that MMA is a sport, and as such, even businessmen like Dana are influenced to make decisions based on the good of the sport.
You can be as cynical as you like, but if you don’t believe me, make sense of the UFC matchmaking for me. Explain why they put marketable guys on the chopping block to be defeated by boring fighters. Explain why only 2 of their champions speak English as a first language. Explain why Machida is heading for a title shot.
Maybe you should go read my blog before you keep up the ad hominemn arguments though. I’ll save you some time: I’m a mid-30’s widower and single father with a teenage daughter and an 8-year-old son with autism. I’m 8 years into my second career after doing a stint in the military. Your “grow up” language, when directed at somebody who makes harder and more mature choices than you’ve ever had to each and every day of his life is pretty silly. You aren’t offending me – you aren’t even upsetting me. You’re just missing the point. Either address my arguments, or if you think they’re without merit, ignore them.
But arguing about me, my maturity or my business acumen (don’t know how that became germane, but would you like to see my ‘08 Acura TL? Sweet ride for somebody with no business sesnse!) is ducking the point. And it’s against your own site’s policy. Stick to the debate, Michael. You might have a point, but it’s getting lost behind your attacks.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on
Aug 14, 2008 4:38 PM EDT
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No Offense..
..but I think you made it personal. Saying “grow up” is not an attack of your personal life, it’s a commentary on your “sky is falling” comments in your previous post. The latter comment was hammering home the point that the purpose of all business is making money. Even if you took it to mean he was personally attacking you, I’d be willing to assume Michael doesn’t know enough about you that you should take any offense. That aside..
It’s pretty wild to believe the UFC cares about you, individually. The big money is in the wider spectrum— the 19 year olds in their first studio apartment with a case of beer, expendable income and nothing to do on a Saturday night. They want to watch Brock Lesnar. A lot of them want to watch Brock Lesnar. The fact that he’s legit, he may as well be Santa Claus on Dana’s rooftop. Those same people don’t care about Big Nog and they’re only beginning to care about Anderson Silva. They’re beginning to care because the UFC gets behind their good fighters. They put him on Spike against a can that seemed deceivingly imposing because of his higher weight class. They can do shit like that because they have the best fighters and those are the guys you want to be marketable. Afterall, it’s the best of both worlds. Because, yes, it’s a tale of two universes— the talent and their drawing power. We’re talking about the UFC right now because they know how to make money. They don’t pick their champions, they just let the best fighters fight when it comes to that. You think if they could pick champs that Sylvia would have beat AA even once? But hey, it’s real fighting and wrasslin ain’t. XC has to operate a circus of sorts because they don’t have the talent that the UFC has. They’re relegated to that. As for bringing up Machida, it doesn’t support your case. He should be fighting for the title right now. I would argue that if he had tats strewn across his back and was a go-for-broke striker, it could be presently known that he’s fighting for the title next.
It’s a delicate balance that I won’t pretend to know everything about. But to insist that the UFC has the hardcore fan’s interest solely in mind is plainly not true. They’ll keep us happy enough, but they need a lot more than our money to go where they need to be.
by Blackout612 on
Aug 14, 2008 7:40 PM EDT
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Hi. You haven’t seen the other disrespectful things that Michael says when he doesn’t like what have to say in other threads.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on
Aug 14, 2008 9:00 PM EDT
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hi
you didn’t answer the question then went on to calling me a wwe fan which i am not so… uh yeah grow up
by fanaddict on
Aug 14, 2008 11:41 PM EDT
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I didn’t answer your question because it’s a false choice. My point, explained above, is that we shouldn’t be making fights based on who is the best draw, but on what’s the best fight and who are the best fighters.
In addition, I didn’t call you a WWE fan. I said:
“the WWE crowd has already taken over the UFC fanbase.”
I was calling you a UFC fan – which might be untrue and if it is I apologize but then I’d wonder what you’re doing here – and saying that the attitudes of pro wrestling where decisions like this are based on story-lines and character arcs and drawing power instead of ability and results have taken over OUR decision-making process.
And I was bemoaning that fact.
I wasn’t meaning to insult you – I wasn’t even disagreeing with you. I was stating that I didn’t think the question that you were posing, which was based on the point that Michael was making, wasn’t the question we should be asking.
IN ADDITION: I’m also trying, probably unsuccessfully, to point out that the UFC doesn’t make decisions entirely on that basis anyway.
Regardless, the point that Michael was making:
Dana cannot allow Fedor to come in, destroy Couture and Lesnar, and then leave.
…is still wrong because it presumes that Dana has to “protect” his fighters from losing – which he only seems to do with up-and-coming nobodies like Huerta. Once they establish a name for themselves – like Huerta – he throws them to the wolves. If it were so important to protect guys like Randy or Brock, why Randy vs. Chuck 2 and 3, and why Brock vs. Mir, Brock vs. Herring? If Mir were to have wandered off after beating Brock, would that have been a horrible tragedy to the UFC?
And if losing to a broken-down shell of a fighter like Mir didn’t destroy Brock, or the UFC by extension, why would losing to the consensus number 1 heavyweight in the world be so bad?
So you see why I’m so crazed by that statement? It’s nonsense from top to bottom, and it relies on 3 false premises:
- The UFC protects it’s fighters from losing
- The UFC places more importance on drawing power than athletic competition
- The UFC’s top 2 heavyweights are Randy and Brock
And that drives me CRAZY.
Sorry if my flipping my lid made you feel like I was insulting you.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on
Aug 15, 2008 12:22 AM EDT
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Look at it from a business standpoint and, hopefully, you’ll see more clearly what metric applies. Honestly, why would Zuffa pay, as in lose money, just to make a once-interesting fight happen? As a present to the non-WWE:ers of the UFC fanbase?
If he were tied up for a while they could build his name into a draw, and then it would be a different matter.
by ununkvadrium on
Aug 14, 2008 12:43 PM EDT
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Wait, I don’t know what fight you’re asking about. Which fight?
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on
Aug 15, 2008 12:25 AM EDT
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Finkelstein is by far the biggest obstacle. I am really surprised by Fedor’s willingness to let him pull the strings.
"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"
by BJJDenver on Aug 14, 2008 12:13 PM EDT 0 recs
I am really surprised by Fedor’s willingness to let him pull the strings.
It certainly can’t hurt that Fedor is doing very well financially as a result of Finkelstein’s management.
by Estrada on
Aug 14, 2008 2:28 PM EDT
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very true!
"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"
by BJJDenver on
Aug 14, 2008 3:28 PM EDT
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I agree also that Finkelstein is Fedors biggest obstacle to going to the UFc and becoming a MMA mega star in the U.S, sure Fedor is making good Money but nothing like he would be if he was doing what he has been doing in the UFC, Fedor would be making a hell of alot more loot if he signed with the UFC. Every dam casual fan would know his name and think he was the most bad ass thing sence Mike Tyson..He would have sponsors out the ass, He would make so much dam money from sponsors if he fought in the UFC it would be insane. I think deep down if Fedor never fights in the UFC and does not become a mega star he knows only the UFC can make him he will will regret it down the road looking back on it and the path the is manager lead him down ? I might just be wrong but I don’t think So ?
by Shocbomb on
Aug 14, 2008 9:08 PM EDT
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really?
Really?
Do you think Vadim only takes the usual 15% manager fee?
He takes more than 50%.
He fucking owns fedor… people rip the UFC as slave traders but this takes the cake.
by mmalogic on
Aug 14, 2008 4:16 PM EDT
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I have heard the same but just thought it was rumor.
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