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Quote of the Day: Mark Coleman Does Not Want to Fight Brock Lesnar

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"The basic story is this...Coleman really doesn't want the fight."

-- Dave Meltzer, explaining why Cheick Kongo is now the frontrunner to be Brock Lesnar's next opponent.

 

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It would be a terrible move for Mark to fight Brock. If I was in Coleman’s shoes, I would take them off, put ‘em in the closet, and cozy up next to the fireplace next to his wife and two daughters and watch Brock Lesnar probably walk through Kongo.

by FeloniousFunk on Aug 12, 2008 5:36 AM EDT   0 recs

I dont blame him at his age :P

by Benicio on Aug 12, 2008 6:28 AM EDT   0 recs

Of course he doesn't ...

... he values life over death.

"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill

by FlyByKnight on Aug 12, 2008 6:33 AM EDT   0 recs

And really, that’s not a fight that builds anybody up. Coleman isn’t a serious contender, so a win doesn’t get him anywhere, and seeing Lesnar beat up some middle-aged guy (which is how his fans will see it) doesn’t really impress.

But Gonzaga/Lesnar would be more fun than Kongo….

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Aug 12, 2008 8:05 AM EDT   0 recs

Naah, Gonzaga would actually have a chance to win, so they won’t let him near Lesnar for a while.

by mythbuster on Aug 12, 2008 8:08 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

But that line of reasoning doesn't track with the Mir fight.

I don’t think they’re giving Brock a soft landing. They’re probably pushing him as hard as they can do, credibly anyways.

First Frank Mir, then Heath Herring..I mean, it’s not a who’s who of MMA HW’s, but they are certainly legit HW’s. It’s not like he was put in against Kongo’s opponent at 87 (who I really liked, for his personality and norse-ness, but was a pretty bad fighter by comparison).

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Aug 12, 2008 9:17 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

What is with the revisionism about Mir? He’s obviously finished. Why do people keep pretending anything but that?

by D.Capitated on Aug 12, 2008 9:52 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I wouldn’t go so far as to say “Finished” because the guy is what, 29? Lots of time to grow. He’s an EXCELLENT grappler and if he can improve his stand-up, he could still be a top 10 fighter.

Bur you’re right about the revisionism: once he beat Lesnar, there was a lot of bandwagon jumping, if only to build up Lesnar for the loss.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Aug 12, 2008 10:39 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Frank Mir might as well be 45 after that wreck. The “word on the street” for the longest is that Frank Mir knew that he was maybe 50% of what he was before but was going to continue fighting on because the money was pretty good and he was looking for a payday. Now that he beat a 1-0 Lesnar, it’s like he’s in his prime. It was practically yesterday Dan Christison was throwing him around or he was dropping face first into the mat from a Vera Knee.

by D.Capitated on Aug 12, 2008 11:11 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The future for Mir

It’s also the case that Mir, pre-accident, never had the money or the drive to really train and has never had a proper training camp even since then. With the cash from the Lesnar win, his upcoming TUF appearance, his WEC duties and whatever sponsor money he’s gotten as a result of all of this publicity, he finally has the resources to actually prepare for fights.

Whether he chooses to do that or spend his money on new motorcycles is anyone’s guess, but they guy CLEARLY still has a lot of talent. I wouldn’t count him out, if only because he’s a VERY smart fighter. The guy may not be able to do everything, but he’s quickly becoming my favorite MMA commentator for his wealth of knowledge (especially as he’s finally getting better at expressing himself in recent events).

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Aug 12, 2008 12:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Frank Mir was bouncing at a strip club in Vegas because fighting was hardly paying the bills. It isn’t merely an issue that he was spending everything wastefully as much as it is that there was not necessarily a whole lot to spend. Now, since he wasn’t getting paid a whole lot (remember that pretty much any heavyweight of note went to PRIDE because they actually could put up some cash), and given that his beat up body is probably not gonna last till he’s 35 in this sport, he’s gotta make money right now.

Besides, if you want to really get technical about it, Frank Mir was known for gassing out really fast and was considered by many to be a egotistical fraud up until he beat Tim Sylvia, a win the likes of which he never again had over such a top contender.

by D.Capitated on Aug 12, 2008 12:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not trying to be a revisionist here,

And never have I been a Frank Mir supporter, even though I am a Brock Lesnar supporter, and the obvious desire to pump up the guy who beat my guy certainly exists. As I said in my previous post, neither Mir nor Herring are/were anything special, but they’re legit HW MMA fighters.

I suppose it would help if I stated in big bold letters that NEITHER ONE IS A CONTENDER, and maybe that would allow my point to be more accurately conveyed? I just figured I’d done that already, sorry if I was unclear.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Aug 12, 2008 11:27 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

How legit is Frank Mir? Yes, he won a title a long time ago. Then he had to give it up due to injuries that are probably the chief reason why he’s generally looked horrible since then.

by D.Capitated on Aug 12, 2008 12:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I was going to reply to your earlier comments before reading this—I don’t believe Mir was ever that great. Accident or not..

by Blackout612 on Aug 12, 2008 12:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree, actually. Its just that you look at Mir now and the guy has put on a ton of weight, has a belly, etc. However good he used to be (and that is subject to discussion), he ain’t anymore.

by D.Capitated on Aug 12, 2008 12:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He is in a little better shape than he was in the aforementioned Christianson fight (which was arguably the worst fight I have ever seen). So essentially, he may be his former self. My stance is that his former self was not that impressive to begin with, so even if he’s back to that form, big deal? Big Nog is going to tear him up..

by Blackout612 on Aug 12, 2008 1:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The Nog/Mir fight has to be among the worst fights the UFC has ever decided to heavily hype. Shamrock/Ortiz II is pretty much untouchable, but this is close. The lack of outrage is pretty telling.

by D.Capitated on Aug 12, 2008 2:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, you have to admit, it should be fun to see Nog win without getting beaten to shit first. :-)

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Aug 12, 2008 2:44 PM EDT to parent up   1 recs

Already addressed in another thread. You can’t search for it if you want links.

Lesnar was favored to beat Mir by not only this blog (4 out of 5 writers) but by the odds makers as well. Mir was coming back from a long layoff and serious injury. And Lesnar lost. So to answer, they are giving him guys who don’t have a submission game to speak of. See below:

Lesnar, stylistically, was more than expected to beat Herring. Herring relies on being big and tough, facing a guy who could easily have been one or even two weight classes above him in bigness and toughness.

by mythbuster on Aug 12, 2008 9:54 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, giving up close to 50 pounds is almost frightening, especially if that’s 50 pounds of muscle and not Butterbean/Zulu/Mark Hunt weight. The only way to make up for that kind of difference is technique, and while Herring is actually pretty skilled for a HW, he’s not on Mir’s level at BJJ.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Aug 12, 2008 10:41 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I’m curious why you keep saying that Herring was giving up “close to 50 pounds.” I’ve seen you say that in multiple comments now. The official weigh-ins were 265 for Lesnar and 250 for Herring. Even assuming Lesnar put some weight back on after the weigh-in, it was nowhere near 35 pounds (even assuming Herring did not gain anything after the weigh-in).

Just curious. I’m not a Lesnar fan, obviously. Just wondered if this was simply intentional hyperbole or if you were being serious in thinking the weight difference was that much.

by Kierkegaard on Aug 12, 2008 11:13 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

During the broadcast, Mike Goldberg (I know, I know) stated that Brock had told him and Joe the morning of the fight that he was above 280, and that he starts cutting at 300.

If anybody thinks that Heath cuts, for no discernable reason, to get his flabby gut to 250, I’d love to know why. In addition, Heath has a way higher body fat ratio than Brock.

So yes: there’s a reason for my “close to 50 pounds” statement. :-)

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Aug 12, 2008 12:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Something I truly don't understand

is how Lesnar’s size is the top thing any of his detractors bring up when discussing him, in fact it’s often the ONLY thing any of his detractors want to discuss, with stuff like “Yup, he’s strong. Couldn’t have guessed that just by looking at him.”

Herring didn’t get beaten simply because Lesnar is bigger and stronger. He got beaten because Lesnar is, in every single measurable facet, athletically superior to Herring.

This sport is all about maximizing your potential, whatever that may be. Things like hand-speed, focus, willpower, strength, endurance, body awareness, etc.. are simply attributes that must be maximized if a fighter hopes to win. Lesnar is athletically gifted, true. But how many other Big Men have we seen in MMA throughout the years? The big, Magnus ver Magnusson-types are usually so painfully slow that they wouldn’t be able to compete in MMA or any other skill-based combat sport. Lesnar is big like that, but more importantly, he’s incredibly quick and agile.

If his detractors actually wanted to discredit him, they’d be talking about his abnormal quickness for a man his size, rather than his size for a man his size. Because the HW division is literally designed for a guy like Lesnar, who can cut down to 265, and to constantly complain about his size advantage really does miss the whole point of why this guy is exciting. He’s a 280lb mega-athlete. Not many human beings can honestly make that claim.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Aug 12, 2008 11:37 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Mighty Joe Young would beat Brock Lesnar. Therefore Mighty Joe Young is the superior athlete and his greater size and strength should not be an issue.

Got it.

by mythbuster on Aug 12, 2008 11:46 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm getting nicely acquainted with your straw man,

but that doesn’t change the thrust of my post. If Mighty Joe Young could cut weight to 265 and meet the other established criteria, and if his speed/quickness/agility and conditioning were superior, then absolutely, he’d be the superior athlete.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Aug 12, 2008 1:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry...

I didn’t think you wanted serious replies. On your quest to make one million Brock posts, I stopped taking you seriously during our last encounter, when you gave a sarcasm-filled reply that used Brocks “flying knee” as proof of his amazing agility.

/shrug

by mythbuster on Aug 12, 2008 1:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

What can I say?

I’m a sarcastic guy, it’s probably why you and I end up butting heads so often about Lesnar, lol.

But seriously, this isn’t one-up-manship to me..I’d genuinely like to know why so many people feel the need to tear the guy down. It’s not like MMA is this established, groomed fraternity that requires secret handshakes and million dollar donations to enter. A guy like Brock is good for the sport in a lot of different ways, and while I understand the need to be negative about someone like him, I would just like to know the thought process behind it.

Some people prefer displays of pure skill in their combat sports, and that resonates with me to a large degree. Other people prefer displays of natural talent, which are always impressive. I just don’t understand where most of the Brock hate comes from.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Aug 12, 2008 1:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I also reject the notion that being stronger means automatic victory,

which is the laughable point you seem to be making with this post.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Aug 12, 2008 1:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I’d rather focus on his size since it’s obviously the result of years of steroid (ab)use. In addition, many of his other “gifts” come by way of the juice, since people who are taking vitamin S are able to train more, harder and longer and heal quicker from injuries than those who aren’t.

And personally, I think years of that kind of behavior (and let’s not have any of that naive “well he’s never tested positive for steroids in his 3 fights” kind of talk when the man looks more like an action figure than a real human being) he’s given himself an unfair advantage whether he juices now or now.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Aug 12, 2008 12:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Why do you insist on claiming that Lesnar has abused steroids? He’s never failed a test, and is a natural freakish athlete.

You appear to be a person who’s never trained before, and doesn’t realize an athlete who is gifted genetically and also trains like a madman.

Please quit making things up and stating that the lack of proof (no positive steroid tests) is evidence that he has used steroids, since you think he “looks like he has”.

by Hardcharger on Aug 12, 2008 12:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Lesnar was caught driving a car filled with PEDs a few years back. There’s a picture of his mugshot on SmokingGun. Really old news.

by D.Capitated on Aug 12, 2008 12:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Lesnar was exonerated when tests showed that the seized pills were not, in fact, steroids.

by Chris Nelson on Aug 12, 2008 1:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I’m not trying to claim that he took steroids. I have no idea. But for the sake of fairness, you should continue the quote.

While a Louisville detective told TSG that the material was some kind of growth hormone, Lesnar’s defense attorney, Scott Cox, characterized the confiscated pills as a “vitamin type of thing.”

Disclaimer: I have zero, nil, nada information regarding the differences between steroids, growth hormones or “vitamin type of thing”s.

by mythbuster on Aug 12, 2008 1:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I personally couldn't care less.

This isn’t an ethics competition, it’s a combat sport. Anyone who isn’t pursuing legal methods of enhancing their abilities is simply going to be at a disadvantage to those people who do pursue said methods. If a fighter is born with an advantage, we shouldn’t penalize him for that. And if he’s willing to go one step further than the competition in training or preparation, we shouldn’t penalize him for that. We, as fans, should only demand that these guys all follow the same rules and that those rules are actively enforced.

Until HGH or whatever he was arrested with is banned, there’s nothing unethical or inappropriate about him using it, as far as I’m concerned. But then, I guess I might be in the minority, since I don’t see any plausible, rational explanation for why Barry Bonds is not playing baseball right now.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Aug 12, 2008 1:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yup – you’re in the minority. We had the steroid debate last year and “opposed” won. It was a lot of fun – you should have been there! :-)

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Aug 12, 2008 2:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

They way I see it, using steroids in MMA, or any other sport for that matter, is a bit like using a rifle with a high powered scope in an archery competition.

It’s like I’m against steroid use though, only in most sports. It’s your body, do what you want with it, they’re not even as bad as many people perceive them if used properly. I’m one of those “legalize everything” type of guys :)

by EnsignFrog on Aug 13, 2008 8:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Oopsie, the first sentence in the second paragraph should read:

“It’s not like I’m against steroid use though…”

by EnsignFrog on Aug 13, 2008 8:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Please read what I have to say. Just this once?

You know, if you’re just going to show up and say the same thing over and over without reading my posts, this is going to get old quickly. I wrote:

Jemaleddin: and let’s not have any of that naive "well he’s never tested positive for steroids in his 3 fights" kind of talk when the man looks more like an action figure than a real human being

And you responded:

Hardcharger: He’s never failed a test, and is a natural freakish athlete.

Seriously? SERIOUSLY? You’re that naive? I would LOVE to see pictures of people that look like this:

...who haven’t taken steroids. I would LOVE IT. But the reality is that FAR more professional athletes are cheaters than we’re aware of, and any who look like that are DEFINITELY on the juice.

I’m going to leave the ad hominem argument on the table – but FYI my response would look a lot like this. :-)

Also? I’m going to quit “making things up” like this when they repeal the first amendment. If you don’t like what I have to say, look elsewhere. I hear the internet also has NAKED PICTURES.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Aug 12, 2008 2:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I hear the internet also has NAKED PICTURES.

Strange… I heard it was a series of tubes.

by mythbuster on Aug 12, 2008 2:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well I heard that Al Gore invented it, so it can’t be any good, whatever it is.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Aug 12, 2008 2:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Not to spoil the mood, but on a TEENY TINY serious note, Vint Cerf, the guy who invented TCP/IP has this to say about Al Gore and the internet:

As you know, there have been a seemingly unending series of jokes chiding the vice president for his assertion that he “took the initiative in creating the Internet.”

Bob and I believe that the vice president deserves significant credit for his early recognition of the importance of what has become the Internet.

...

Al Gore was the first political leader to recognize the importance of the Internet and to promote and support its development.

No one person or even small group of persons exclusively "invented" the Internet. It is the result of many years of ongoing collaboration among people in government and the university community. But as the two people who designed the basic architecture and the core protocols that make the Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP Gore’s contributions as a Congressman, Senator and as Vice President. No other elected official, to our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of time.

So, you know… he kinda did help make the internet according to the other guys who were there at the time… I’m just sayin’.

If you want to be mad at him, you should be pissed that he invented global warming – that shit’s gonna kill us!

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Aug 12, 2008 2:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Good point. At least the internet is real.

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by Richard on Aug 12, 2008 3:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Good thing too, because as a web developer, I’d be hosed if it weren’t.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Aug 12, 2008 4:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Naw

Psychic hotlines still make money. You’d just need more late-night cheesy advertising.

by AJB on Aug 12, 2008 5:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

After listening to Brock’s after-fight banter, I’m all prepped for cheesy talking points for my psychic hotlines!

“I see you know!”

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Aug 12, 2008 7:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

On this, we must agree

since I own a web development company and would be very upset if it turned out this whole thing was a myth, and more heavily influenced by solar cycles than carbon emissions.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Aug 12, 2008 11:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Some of the pictures in question are evidently tube steak.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Aug 12, 2008 2:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

THE INTERNET IS NOT A TRUCK

by AJB on Aug 12, 2008 5:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Check pro football.

It’s obvious you’ve never trained or been around elite athletes. So instead, you make things up, attempting pathetically to pass them off as facts.

LOL at your first amendment reference. Keep making things up, and people will continue to realize how uninformed you really are. Your credibility is shot.

by Hardcharger on Aug 12, 2008 4:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Check pro football.

Ah yes, paragons of lean muscle (heh) AND no steroid use there. And: Pics or it’s fake. Show me the pics of an NFL athlete that looks like Brock Lesnar. Thanks!

But wait! We’re back to the ad hominem arguments:

It’s obvious you’ve never trained or been around elite athletes. So instead, you make things up, attempting pathetically to pass them off as facts.

And it’s becoming more and more clear that years of watching pro wrestling has stymied your mind’s ability to judge what real people look like. Take some time off and look at real people.

OR: to save time, take off all your clothes and stand in front of a mirror. See that sack of cookie dough? That’s what most people look like, love handles, second chin, beer gut and all.

LOL at your first amendment reference. Keep making things up, and people will continue to realize how uninformed you really are. Your credibility is shot.

Show of hands: who thinks Lesnar has ever taken steroids? Or should we do a poll?

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Aug 12, 2008 7:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He has definitely taken either steroids or something like HGH. His change in physique alone should be proof that he at the very least WAS taking something.

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by Richard on Aug 13, 2008 1:57 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Anyone have a picture of him as a collegiate wrestler?

I saw one of him a while back, and he was huge in college also. i always believed he was on something, but that is just because of his sheer size and nothing else.

Either way, i think most of us would be shocked if we ever knew the actual complete truth about what athletes have used peds at one time or another.

"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"

by BJJDenver on Aug 13, 2008 2:06 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He was huge then, too. Just not as ripped as he was when he was performing in pro wrestling. He looks like he wasn’t on anything in college, was on god knows what during pro wrestling and is off whatever he was on then.

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by Richard on Aug 13, 2008 3:47 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I actually found a decent shot of Lesnar

in what looked like a college wrestling match.

http://www.pub.umich.edu/daily/2000/feb/02-23-2000/sports/photos/brock1jpg.gif

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Aug 13, 2008 6:30 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

A while back one of these sites had side-by-side pics of him as a wrestler and today, and he’s gotten a lot bigger. Some of that is just building muscle mass as he ages, but a lot of it has to be something else.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Aug 13, 2008 8:06 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think anyone's suggesting

that he hasn’t taken PED’s in the past. But the fact is that he never has failed a mandatory drug test from any organization he’s ever worked for, as far as I am aware.

And that he’s larger today than he was in college is understandable from a physical development perspective, as well.

But of course he’s taken HGH in the past. It’s basically a designer drug these days for anyone interested in maxing out their body..Stallone even said he took it to build up for his latest Rambo movie, for crying out loud. The point is that he’s innocent until proven guilty, because as far as I’m aware, the UFC doesn’t require you to have lived a PED-free life, just that you don’t take unauthorized enhancers within your contract period.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Aug 13, 2008 10:35 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don’t think you read what Hardcharger wrote (over and over in response to my comments):

Hardcharger: Why do you insist on claiming that Lesnar has abused steroids?

So somebody is claiming he didn’t take PEDs. At a guess, I’d suggest he was taking at least HGH in college once he moved up to Division I, a cocktail of anabolic steroids as a pro wrestler (if only to help with injuries and to sustain the kind of effort they put out) and is probably back to just HGH now.

And that’s all legal as far as the UFC is concerned – but it’s not as though he got significantly smaller after going off the juice. He’s lost definition and he’s put back on some of the baby fat so his skin doesn’t look all stretched and thin, but the guy has almost all of the mass he had back then.

Legal or not, that’s not what I call a fair advantage, and when combined with EVERY SINGLE THING I know about his personality, it’s enough to dislike him and root against him. I’m biased: so is everyone else. :-)

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Aug 13, 2008 12:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, I think all reasonable people can agree that he’s wrong.

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by Richard on Aug 14, 2008 2:11 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Keep in mind that he could have been taking HGH as a collegiate wrestler and today since there are no tests for it.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Aug 13, 2008 8:06 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I rather doubt he was taking it as a collegiate wrestler just based on the difference we see from when he obviously started taking PEDs.

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by Richard on Aug 14, 2008 2:12 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, that’s why it’d be more fun though! :-)

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Aug 12, 2008 10:42 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed. It would let us see if Lesnar can refrain from taking his opponent down and win a fight standing.

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by Richard on Aug 12, 2008 3:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He did punch a 250 lb man ten feet. I don’t think his opponents can stay standing.

by Blackout612 on Aug 12, 2008 3:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No doubt: the guy hits hard. But somebody with decent striking who knew how to avoid a little better might make an ass of him.

In one of the MILLION replays of Brock punching Heath, it looked like when Brock put up his dukes and started moving forward, Heath smiled, as if to say, “Oh good, he’s going to stand with me,” and it made me wonder: did he just decide to take that punch? If so: dumbest move ever.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Aug 12, 2008 4:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don’t think he saw it coming. He didn’t so much as flinch.

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by Richard on Aug 12, 2008 5:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It seemed like he thought Brock was going to take him down, I mean, Heath did say that like 20 times in every interview.

by lovingmma25 on Aug 12, 2008 5:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs