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Is Brock Lesnar Unsportsmanlike?

Probably, but who cares? More importantly, Lesnar's post-fight actions were neither unique to the sport nor necessarily a bad thing. Jordan Breen opines:

If you want a testament to the power and place that pro-wrestling gimmickry and showboating have in this sport, look no further than Tito Ortiz. His maybe, maybe-not signing with Affliction was the biggest story of last week in the MMA world, despite the looming UFC 87 card. And what for? Ortiz hasn't beaten an elite-level opponent in years. In fact, his period of dominance in the sport is hard to remember in terms of actual action. Apart from slamming Evan Tanner through the floor, and his commercially successful but competitively handicapped smashing of Ken Shamrock, what do you remember about Tito Ortiz's UFC title reign, except for the Belfort fight being cancelled 60 times and him not fighting Chuck Liddell? You remember the six-shooter pistols. You remember flipping the double birds. You remember the Gravedigger. And for some reason, years later, he's still worth millions when he fights, and that includes your hard-earned dollars.

I'm not long for this world of "Great fight, bro,” and shared embraces for any remotely competitive fight. While I could do without a sport full of Ricardo Mayorgas, I'm all for some good old-fashioned pro-wrestling heel tactics. American MMA needs to step up its game anyhow: Ricardo Arona doesn't have a major deal, Josh Koscheck isn't singing "17-1", and Tim Sylvia still just wants to be loved. Since Yoshihiro Akiyama is well-settled (and well-compensated) as Japan's super-villain, somebody needs to angrily galvanize the MMA public.

If Lesnar's laugh-and-lasso annoyed, offended or even outraged you: good. But if you think for a minute that there's "no place" for this pro-wrestling gimmickry in MMA, Dana White will chap your thin hide all the way to bank. And thank God, because I've had all the clichéd "respect" I can handle.

If we add in accusations from some in attendance that Herring was dismissive of Lesnar and rudely demanded ring entrance second before their fight, Lesnar's actions are at worst childish.

What's more important is that Lesnar's antics help fuel drama without going overboard. What Lesnar did is a far cry from the post-fight finger flipping, riot-facilitating behavior of the Diaz brothers circa "Return of the King".  He may be juvenile, but Lesnar is helping to construct an image that can be given to fans to either embrace or loathe. In either case, though, the antics will force fans to watch. Ultimately, that's all one can ask for.

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I think it’s pretty obvious that Brock’s antics work in terms of attracting attention. 4 posts on the front page of BloodyElbow haven’t been about the guy who defended his title saturday, or the guy who beat Roger Huerta…they’re about Brock Lesnar. I’d say he’s doing his job pretty effectively.

by Beer Monster on Aug 11, 2008 1:31 PM EDT   0 recs

Good point

by Josh H. on Aug 11, 2008 3:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh c'mon now...

I know I’m probably in the minority but I really enjoyed it. I mean c’mon, isnt this what weve always wanted? REAL fighting with some nice drama :)

Although I do commend GSP on his graciousness. Very well spoken on his post fight interviews. I think I’ve switched my mancrush from Huerta to GSP :P I keed I keed, but seriously GSP was a beast on Sat. It was hilarious when a reporter asked Fitch if he thought he hurt GSP and said “I hope so, GOD I hope so…”

by xFenixKnightx on Aug 11, 2008 1:45 PM EDT   0 recs

I agree

I liked it. I’ve been waiting for someone to come in and fill that void. so to speak.

by asmiley420 on Aug 11, 2008 2:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No. That’s not what I’ve ever wanted. Thanks.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Aug 11, 2008 2:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Like it or not dude, looks like Brock is here to stay.

by xFenixKnightx on Aug 11, 2008 3:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I was specifically responding to:

I mean c’mon, isnt this what weve always wanted? REAL fighting with some nice drama :)

Which isn’t at all what I want. I don’t want real fighting – I want MMA. Real fighting doesn’t have rules, doesn’t have refs and doesn’t have to stop for any particular reason. Which sounds like a lot of fun except that it’s hard to lose a fight (or even win one) like that and get up and ever do it again. So I like MMA just fine, and I don’t need the drama.

Similarly, I wish the olympics coverage would show some goddamn events and not make me sit through “let’s find out more about the inspiring story of some athlete who will probably end up losing, but we don’t have time to actually air the event they’re in because we’re too busy talking about their diabetic mother who inspires them in the small island nation of wherever.”

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Aug 11, 2008 5:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think you misunderstood him, as well. He was drawing a discrepancy between Brock’s pro wrestling days and his MMA days. The drama + actual fighting (as opposed to staged). That’s what I drew from it, at least..

by Blackout612 on Aug 11, 2008 7:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks Blackout612

Thats EXACTLY what I meant. Its all good though jemaleddin.

by xFenixKnightx on Aug 11, 2008 8:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh, I got the point – I just disagreed with it as well. :-)

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Aug 12, 2008 1:59 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, that’s also what I thought you meant until you elaborated and it seemed different. Hahaha..

by Blackout612 on Aug 12, 2008 2:13 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yea.. GSP is ridiculous… but I love Fitch’s heart. He took a beating

Rob Dib
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by Rob Dib on Aug 11, 2008 2:17 PM EDT   0 recs

I think that it is fine to talk smack if you want when the guy that you beat down was talking crazy trash about you. It really is a personal thing for some of these guys & if only had 2 previous professional fights & beat (the shit out of) a guy that had 42 who was talking a lot I probably would give him some back. Payback is a bitch.

by dnevil001 on Aug 11, 2008 2:22 PM EDT   0 recs

“What Lesnar did is a far cry from the post-fight finger flipping, riot-facilitating behavior of the Diaz brothers circa “Return of the King”. He may be juvenile, but Lesnar is helping to construct an image that can be given to fans to either embrace or loathe.”

I don’t see how that follows, how is pointing and laughing a far cry from a one-finger salute? They’re both juvenile gestures helping to construct a love me/hate me image.

The only difference is that Herring didn’t lose his cool and try to go after Lesnar.

by smoogy on Aug 11, 2008 2:36 PM EDT   0 recs

Finger flipping

In and of itself wasn’t the worst crime. But the on-mic taunting – along with his brother verbally taunting an enraged Noons, Sr. – for sure is worse. That’s what is meant by “riot-facilitating”. They didn’t cause the rumble themselves, but their actions contributed to it greatly.

by Luke Thomas on Aug 11, 2008 2:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

What you’re not recognizing is that just because somebody else is an idiot, it doesn’t give him license to follow them off the bridge. Yes it was unsportsmanlike. Ditto that idiot Tito. Ditto the Diaz boys.

But FAR worse than his antics after the fight was the shove at the end of round one – pushing Heath from behind after the fight had been stopped – and pushing him INTO the ref was stupid and childish.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Aug 11, 2008 2:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well

That’s a rules infraction. Of course I don’t care for that.

by Luke Thomas on Aug 11, 2008 3:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And rules infractions = unsportsmanlike. Right?

We’re all in agreement here, I think – at least those of us like you and I who don’t send curse-laden emails like the ones you posted earlier – this is a sport, not some sideshow. Play acting and shit-talking is for children.

Anyone who prefers Brock’s antics to GSP’s show of respect is, in my mind, less interested in sport and more interested in spectacle. What’s next, begging for more blood? Hoping for injuries? Are we all going to be like the “send him home in a body bag” guy? Personally, I get why there are rules in football against excessive celebration: there’s a lot on the line for some of these guys.

I mean, let’s leave Brock and Heath out of it for a minute. When a Jason MacDonald or a Manny Gamburyan loses a fight, that has a serious impact on how they eat for the next 6 months. This determines whether their kids get the Nikes or the off-brand shoes from Wal-Mart. This MEANS something to people above and beyond the sheer joy of winning. This is real life. And pointing and laughing at somebody – somebody who you just got done beating, so what’s the point, really – when they’re a) in pain, b) dealing with their loss, and c) realizing that they’ll be waiting until the next fight to buy that house they’ve had their eye on is childish and pathetic.

And the worst thing is that he doesn’t have the excuse that guys like Nate Diaz have for their shitty behavior: The dude is 31, not some young punk kid. This guy went to college. He’s married with a kid. He should be teaching somebody NOT to act like this.

If I didn’t have enough reasons to dislike Brock Lesnar before this fight (years of steroid abuse turning his body into something inhuman that stretches the definition of “fighter” to the point where it would almost include a bear, idiotic homophobia and redneck opinions, a complete failure to develop an offensive game more advanced than “take down and love-tap” and referring to himself in the third person all spring to mind), this would be MORE than enough.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Aug 11, 2008 5:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow...

Why so grumpy? Cheer up buddy and accept it. I have a feeling this is just the beginning. Until he gets his ass handed to him :P

by xFenixKnightx on Aug 11, 2008 3:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I’m grumpy because people I respect are being caught up by the joy of being titillated by their baser impulses and accepting childish antics as appropriate behavior. I’m grumpy because the kind of behavior that this site has always called out is now being held up a “maybe good for the sport!” I’m grumpy because people who know better are speaking before they think.

Also: not enough fiber in my diet. :-)

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Aug 11, 2008 6:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Try fiber one bars. They taste remarkably less bad than you’d expect.

by Richard on Aug 11, 2008 6:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks, old guy!

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Aug 11, 2008 6:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The only reason that Herring probably did not go after Lesnar is because he did not want another ass-whoopin! Isn’t Herring the guy that knocked out the dude during the staredown for blowing a kiss?

by dnevil001 on Aug 11, 2008 2:43 PM EDT   0 recs

not for blowing a kiss.. he actually kissed him… that is much different than blowing a kiss.

by gremlin1496 on Aug 11, 2008 2:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

lol, agreed there is but I do not think that Herring pulled back out of class is what I mean.
Herring talked before the fight, but not during the fight. I think that is was still semi-good natured with the whole lasso & riding him thing. It is part of MMA, for better or worse. Some fighters are super-classy and some could care less.

by dnevil001 on Aug 11, 2008 2:47 PM EDT   0 recs

Supposedly Herring’s comments were made to Dana White; how did the comments get back to Brock Lesnar? So, actually Dana White is the troublemaker/hype-machine. I can’t say that I totally don’t agree with Herring being a bit upset about the fight being that his last fight with Kongo was supposed to put him into contendership.

Why would Heath Herring stoop to Brock Lesnar’s level?

by lovingmma25 on Aug 11, 2008 3:16 PM EDT   0 recs

Get back to Brock, what? Everyone in the mma world saw his comments as he made them for the show preview. lol
Herring would have been next probably if he would have won. He signed the contract & agreed to the payday w/Brock.

by dnevil001 on Aug 11, 2008 3:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

There were comments made just before the fight, that is what I am referring to.

by lovingmma25 on Aug 11, 2008 5:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The comparisons to Ortiz are uncalled for.

Nothing that Brock has done has warranted the comparisons to Tito. Yea, he’s the new bad guy, but Tito is just the whiny guy. My money my money. That stuff got old. Then you have a guy that wants to fight and wants to fight the best and you compare him to that big headed ego train.
If I was Brock I would break you.

by The_Vig on Aug 11, 2008 3:44 PM EDT   0 recs

They’re talking about Tito’s antics inside the ring – the pantomiming that he’s digging a grave, dragging his opponent in, covering them up and praying for their soul. Also stupid and pathetic. And the comparison is apt: both are wrong.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Aug 11, 2008 6:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It’s hard for me to get too worked up over it. I thought it was awesome when Randy spanked Tito in their fight, when Nogueira did the lasso punches to Tamura years ago, when Anderson Silva mocked Franklin with his avoidance during the fight, etc. It’s all a part of the game.

by Michael Rome on Aug 11, 2008 8:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

...Rashad doing the rope-a-dope, Quarry doing the Screech-fists. I’m fine with most anything. The Diaz brothers being super confrontational and sort of just being disrespectful as a rule is the exception, for me.

by Blackout612 on Aug 11, 2008 8:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

How did you feel about Brock shoving Heath into the ref after round 1?

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Aug 12, 2008 12:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That was far worse. I do know that a bunch of shit went down that week between the camps and there were some harsh words before the fight, maybe he was angry? I don’t know really. Obviously if it was completely unprovoked then it was unprofessional and stupid.

by Michael Rome on Aug 12, 2008 9:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Regardless of what may have happened prior to the fight it was unprofessional.

by Richard on Aug 13, 2008 2:02 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Aug 13, 2008 9:00 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Although, unlike jem here, I don’t really care.

by Richard on Aug 14, 2008 2:20 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I was so close to getting some support. Sigh.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Aug 14, 2008 7:00 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I still contend that you’re right, just that you’re right about something painfully uninteresting.

by Richard on Aug 15, 2008 2:21 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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