Penn should have to defend his light-weight title!

by mma_dude on Aug 11, 2008 1:22 AM EDT

No more nonsense, no more Shamrock versus Tito, no more Anderson Silva vs. Irvin, no more Lesnar makin $300k a fight. Why was GSP-Fitch fight of the night? Why did Sherk give Penn the title by not fighting his fight (a little suspicious)? Does anybody think Penn will beat GSP? If Penn wants to fight at 170, shouldn't he have to earn the right to fight GSP? Why can't we as MMA fans ditch the nonsense and demand quality fights?

Maia-McDonald & Florian-Huerta were Fights of the Night.

As someone who never liked professional wrestling and who loves MMA:

My December Card

Penn vs. Florian
Maia vs. Okami
GSP vs. Sanchez (has a better chance than BJ)
Mir vs. Werdum (Noguiera ain't a bad fight)

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Not a bad idea

However, the UFC knows where their big money fights are. GSP-BJ and GSP-Silva are the top draws in terms of fights.

Werdum is being given some can in his next fight I heard. But it’s still dangerous. He’s the number one contender.

Maia deserves the winner of Kampmann/Marquardt.

Florian deserves to fight Penn but they’ll make him fight someone dumb probably.

"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill

by FlyByKnight on Aug 11, 2008 3:14 AM EDT 0 recs

Okami’s earned his rematch with Silva. It’s funny – I’ve never seen a guy go 6-1 in the UFC and get such little respect or hype.

by Chris Nelson on Aug 11, 2008 5:32 AM EDT 0 recs

Yeah that's true

I feel bad for Okami. He keeps getting injured. And wouldn’t it be, Silva’s earned his rematch with Okami?

P.S.: I have seen the fight. I know what happened. I’m just being a stickler.

"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill

by FlyByKnight on Aug 11, 2008 5:36 AM EDT up 0 recs

Agreed!

Penn Vs. GSP is a horrible matchup right now. I would love to see both of them defend their titles a few more times. The wait and anticipation will certainly translate into more dollars for the UFC if both guys show to be invincible in their respective divisions.

by nitro on Aug 11, 2008 10:45 AM EDT 0 recs

Maybe I am one of the few people that could care less about Penn fighting Florian. Dana has already said that Penn is not vacating the title – so move on.

by lovingmma25 on Aug 11, 2008 12:20 PM EDT 0 recs

The timing could not be much better for GSP/Penn II. Both have come off dominating wins over the top contender for their belts, it is the NYE show and they are both considered the best P4P fighters (with Silva and Fedor). Fans clammor for big fights, and it doesn;t get much bigger than this.

The biggest problem with not having it is, who would be better? The UFC LW division is very solid, but BJ is clearly the best, far and away. He would destroy Florian. The same can be said for GSP and the WW division (not to mention Silva and the MWs).

I would take this fight on NYE over BJ and GSP vs anyone, both on the NYE card.

"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"

by BJJDenver on Aug 11, 2008 3:48 PM EDT 0 recs

I don’t think Penn would destroy florian—not even sure he would win. Diego has never been destroyed and is a much better match than fitch. And silva has shown an Achilles heel against grappler.

Enough of this pound for pound nonsense and let’s see these superstars fight the best in their divisions.

Btw—Penn vs sherk was very unimpressive

by mma_dude on Aug 11, 2008 4:35 PM EDT up 0 recs

I agree with you about Diego, but I believe that Penn would indeed destroy Florian.

by lovingmma25 on Aug 11, 2008 4:48 PM EDT up 0 recs

Penn picked Sherk apart without even using his biggest asset, the ground game.

Penn would make quick work of Florian, who is a very tough fighter, or anyone else in the UFC’s LW division.

Silva showed an achilles heel against who? Lutter? He handled him fine. People forget he was only a few months off of double knee surgery. How did Henderson fare? I agree, a grappler like Almeida would fare the best against Silva, but even then, I wouldn’t give them a shot.

I couldn;t care less about worthless P4P ranknings, but I do want to see the best fight the best, and that is GSP/Penn, not Florian.

"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"

by BJJDenver on Aug 12, 2008 12:00 PM EDT up 0 recs

My biggest problem with it is that Penn hasn’t won at 170 in years. When Anderson Silva, the best pound for pound fighter in the wold, moved up to 205, it wasn’t against Forrest. Hell, it wasn’t against anyone in the top 10. At the very least Penn should have to take on Kos or Diego before getting another shot at the belt.

The WW belt keeps getting contenders who haven’t earned their shot, like Serra getting a shot for winning TUF or Hughes getting a shot for beating Chris Lytle, while Fitch had to go on an 8 win streak before he got the nod. Now Alves has won 6 in a row, Diego has won 8 out of 10, Koscheck has won 9 out of 11 but Penn gets to swoop in with an 0-2 welterweight record since his return to the UFC.

Not only should Penn defend his belt at least once, he should have to earn his shot just like anyone else.

by George Lucas on Aug 11, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up 0 recs

The basis for this fight is givng the fans what they want. Doing this mega/super fight while both fighters are at their peak. It will grow the sport even more IMO. Other than Penn, the only other fighters I want to see GSP fight are Diego Sanchez and Thiago Alves.

by lovingmma25 on Aug 11, 2008 5:05 PM EDT up 0 recs

IMO this kind of prowrestling nonsense is gonna hurt—not help the sport. Kinda like how don king hurt boxing.

by mma_dude on Aug 11, 2008 6:56 PM EDT up 0 recs

I’m sure “the fans” wanted to see TUF superstar Matt Serra fight St. Pierre. That doesn’t mean it was good for the division or the sport.

Basically what this fight would do is tell Tyson Griffin, Kenny Florian, Thiago Alves, Diego Sanchez, Josh Koscheck and anyone else coming up that there’s no point in even trying. When a winning fighter like Fitch getting a title shot becomes the exception rather than the rule, something has gone terribly wrong with the UFC. It’s bad enough that Werdum is getting passed over for Frank Mir for a shot at the heavyweight title, let’s not do this to the two most exciting weight classes in the UFC.

by George Lucas on Aug 11, 2008 7:09 PM EDT up 0 recs

AMEN BROTHER!! Are you listening Dana White!!?

by mma_dude on Aug 11, 2008 7:36 PM EDT up 0 recs

IMO this kinda prowrestling nonsense isn’t going to help the sport—it’s going to hurt the sport. Kinda like don king hurt boxing.

by mma_dude on Aug 11, 2008 6:52 PM EDT up 0 recs

Really? It's going to hurt the UFC?

Have you looked at their PPV #’s when Lesnar is on the card? Get back to me.

"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill

by FlyByKnight on Aug 12, 2008 5:44 AM EDT up 0 recs

Lesnar is great for the sport, but not because of his PPV numbers. He exposes the fact that the heavyweight weight limits are to high. His is winning by shear strength and size. But that’s not what I am talking about.

I’m talking about Penn vs GSP as being non sense. IMO Penn-GSP is in the same category as Shamrock-Ortiz 1, 2, & 3, or even Hughes vs. Royce Gracie. Those events may have gotten good PPV numbers but their sideshows, gimicks, and drag the UFC down to the level of a Kimbo Slice fight.

by mma_dude on Aug 12, 2008 9:58 AM EDT up 0 recs

You are acting like they have this kind of fight all the time. When was the last time they did something like this? I would say Royce vs Hughes, which was a big ppv. What’s wrong with cashing in once in a while?

Other than that, when?

Silva/Irvin—not a spectacle, simply a fight put together quickly to draw viewers from Affliction.

Penn/GSP 1—They had no LW division at the time (if I remember correctly) and Penn was fighting at 170 then.

"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"

by BJJDenver on Aug 12, 2008 12:04 PM EDT up 0 recs

On a side note, i would prefer that guys pick a weight and stay with it, outside of this type of superfight.

I think BJs best weight is 155, though his most intriguing fights in the UFC may be at 170.

I don’t want to see GSP moving up, or even Silva, unless they intend to stay there.

But I also don’t see a problem with the occasional big fight at a catch weight or higher weight.

I want to see GSP/BJ, then have each stay at their respective weights. just to clarify.

"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"

by BJJDenver on Aug 12, 2008 12:24 PM EDT up 0 recs

gap vs Penn isn't a "superfight"

Penn is completely outclassed just like shamrock was outclassed by Tito. Penn can’t hang in the wwdivision. If he wants to fight Gsp let him earn it. In the meantime let’s give someone a chance that’s earned it.

by mma_dude on Aug 12, 2008 1:35 PM EDT 0 recs

lol, hilarious. Many people feel he beat GSP the first time. He was beating Hughes until the rib injury. Since that time, he has re-committed himself and is in far better shape physically and mentally.

What has GSP done to deserve it more than BJ? Lose to Serra?

Why don’t you just go write a “Why I don’t like BJ” fanpost?

Fact is these guys fought a close fight the first time and have both developed since then. Two champions, both widely regarded as amongst the best in the sport, yeah, definitely not a superfight.

"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"

by BJJDenver on Aug 12, 2008 6:52 PM EDT up 0 recs

A Penn fan should know Penn's Resume

first of all, you don’t know where he is physically or mentally. I saw an interview with him a month ago and he looked like notorius B.I.G. All we know is that he had an interesting win over sherk in which sherk tried something new and it didnt work, he beat stevenson soundly, and he beat pulver soundly (the first two are light weights and pulver fights at 145). In the welter weight division he is 0-2 in the last 3 years and 1-2 if you go back 4 years.

I watched the GSP vs. Penn, 2 and a half years ago and GSP made some serious mistakes and still came out with the win—from what I saw the other night, GSP won’t make those mistakes again. PENN IS TOAST!

I like Penn and want to see him dominate the LW division—if he can!

by mma_dude on Aug 12, 2008 9:53 PM EDT up 0 recs

BJ will still win.

by lovingmma25 on Aug 13, 2008 10:16 AM EDT up 0 recs

What has GSP done?!!?

In the last two years he has gone 5-1 with wins over Baby J, Hughes (twice), koscheck ( who is a killer), Serra, and Fitch (the number 2 ww)—with one fluke loss to Serra

In the last 2 years Baby J has beaten up a couple lightweights and a featherweight.

by mma_dude on Aug 12, 2008 10:03 PM EDT 0 recs