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Live Notes From UFC 87: UFC Takes Over Minneapolis

Fronted by Luke Thomas.

Last nights UFC 87 was the Ultimate Fighting Championship's first forray into Minnesota. And it likely won't be the last.

We arrived at the Target Center at 6:30 PM. I was startled by how many Affliction wearing fans were already in attendance, considering that prelim fights are normally made obvious by their sparse crowds (note: I was wearing an Obey shirt). The Saunders/Thomas fight was at a surprising (and estimated) 75% capacity. Immediately noticeable was that the UFC did a fine job of erecting various projection screens around the arena. We didn't have the best seats in the world, but we had a great vantage point into the octagon, and everytime a dozen drunk people had to pass me to go to the bathroom, I could avert my eyes to a screen. The crowd was positively electric. Minnesota has always been a top market for pro wrestling events because of the excellent crowd feedback and noise. It appears that that sort of enthusiasm poured over into UFC 87. Hopefully it's not the same situation as Cincy where the first event was hyped and the second was a jaded affair.

Some notes on the performances and live reactions:

  • Jon Jones was a pleasant surprise and should have a very bright future in the UFC. Impressive victory, to be sure.
  • Steve Bruno has no business inside the octagon. Now I'm glad that some prelim fights don't make air (with the possible exception of cards like 84, where somehow every fight is incredible). In a related note, I'm really becoming a fan of Chris Wilson. He's a go-getter and he's got a big motor. His entrance music is the only song more embarrassing than Wanderlei's.
  • Demian Maia is a killer. The UFC should start him along a path towards Anderson Silva, because I don't see anyone else that'll at least make a fight with Silva interesting.
  • Huerta wasn't his normal aggressive self and it cost him. Strangely, he seemed gassed towards the end of the fight, even though he wasn't as wild eyed as he has been previously. The crowd really got behind him for this fight, but Kenflo got plenty of respect in victory. Florian has truly progressed much further than anyone could have anticipated on TUF. So much for that BJ Penn money, Roger-- but there's no shame in losing to the Kenny Florian of today.  
  • Brock Lesnar is an absolute beast. He threw Herring (a big boy in his own right) around like his kid brother. I've never seen Herring manhandled like that. If Brock can learn what to do once he takes someone's back, I don't know if anyone can stop him based purely upon his brute physical strength. He has yet to really address the technical aspects of his striking, but the right hand he caught Herring flush with nearly sent him into next month. Granted, his antics post-fight were questionable, but his enthusiasm was perpetuated by the environment-- he's in his home town and everyone in attendance went absolutely nuts when he came out and for the entire subsequent fight and victory. Yeah, he got carried away-- but I'm also more than a little certain that the UFC encouraged him to milk it. That's extremely marketable material, considering his inevitable fight with Coleman will likely not be in Minnesota (where he will be cheered, regardless, though he may be booed everywhere else as the pro-wrestling convert outcast). It's true that he couldn't work the mic for his life in pro wrestling, but shooting from the hip with the same wrestling heel mentality lends itself to his marketability in future fights. And yeah, you better believe it-- Brock is legit.
  • GSP has to be shocked at how beloved he is in the Twin Cities. His pop when coming to the ring surpassed Huerta's and even rivaled that of Lesnar. Lots of Canadian flags in attendance, too. And a lot of great energy coming into this fight. What a gutsy performance by (dare I say it) an overmatched Jon Fitch. He wouldn't say die and he ground it out all the way until the end, even when at various points it appeared that he may have had enough. GSP has finished the likes of Serra, Sherk and Hughes (twice) but Jon Fitch weathered the storm. It's true that he may be the number two welterweight in the world, perhaps this fight even defined that fact. But it also defined another-- Rush may have no equal. Bring on Baby J...

After the fights concluded, we ventured out into the streets of downtown Minneapolis. The streets were flooded with drunken MMA fans-- whom I should note were actually very well behaved at the event, as there seemed to be a lot of general comradery. Which was a pleasant surprise, given that I expected drunken revelry. We travelled down a few blocks to Aqua, where we were to be guests at Roger Huerta's afterparty. On the way, we were made aware of two different post-fight parties; Brock Lesnar & Jon Fitch at Epic and Sean Sherk & Lyoto Machida at The Annex. Naturally (or perhaps not) we decided to go to The Annex to see Sherk (who I haven't seen in two years) and Machida (who appeared to be pals with my brother from meeting him on Thursday night). We spoke to both fighters for a short while and took a few photos.

All in all, a great night for MMA in general, a great night for MMA in Minneapolis and a superb night of fights. If Sherk can get past Tyson Griffin at UFC 90 in Chicago (which I also plan to attend) this October I hope that the UFC will return to Minneapolis in early 09 to have him fight in front of his hometown. And perhaps, to let Brock get cheered again.

-Charles Awad

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Nice report.

by Cannon Jacques on Aug 10, 2008 3:05 PM EDT   0 recs

re: prelims attendance

I find that outside of the standard fight cities (Las Vegas, Atlantic City, San Jose), people show up to the fights when the doors open.

by Mike Fagan on Aug 10, 2008 6:54 PM EDT   0 recs

That may be true. I haven’t really differentiated in the past. I’ll certainly pay attention to it in the future.

by Blackout612 on Aug 10, 2008 7:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Very true

At Affliction, the arena was pretty full (or close to past half) by the time the prelims started. This ain’t Vegas baby.

"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill

by FlyByKnight on Aug 11, 2008 3:17 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

completely agreed. I think when events like this happen less frequently, it becomes a “larger” event. I was in my seat waayyy before the first fight when they had the Broomfield UFN, and the arena was fairly full.

"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"

by BJJDenver on Aug 11, 2008 3:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Maia

He is an absolute wizard on the ground but it is FAR too early to start dreaming up of a match with Silva. He would be absolutely destroyed by Silva on the feet, as well as by Okami and Franklin.

by Pantherhare on Aug 10, 2008 8:23 PM EDT   0 recs

First—he has trained muay thai with Wanderlei and he impressed him.

Second—that’s a moot point, because I wouldn’t expect him to stand with Silva. I don’t expect anyone to stand with Silva. That’s why guys that are stand up fighters simply do not stand a chance against him.

Third—I personally love Okami and Franklin is a hell of a striker, but I’d pick Maia over either (and over Cote, for that matter). The only guy I’d expect to give him a run would be Almeida. Then again, I think Almeida should be fighting Silva in October, not Cote.

Far too early to start dreaming up a match? That’s a great deal of extension when discussing a guy that’s dominated and finished in all three of his fights in the UFC (not to mention an absolute world class BJJ practitioner that does things that are seldom seen in MMA).

by Blackout612 on Aug 10, 2008 8:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I would definitely not pick Maia over Frankliln or Okami at this point.

by Mike Fagan on Aug 10, 2008 9:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well..

..that’s the difference between you and me. Time spent doesn’t equal ability. And Maia’s got it (ability) in spades.

by Blackout612 on Aug 10, 2008 9:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

So did Lesnar when he stepped in against Mir.

I think the general consensus is that Maia has a legit A+ weapon in his arsenal in his BJJ, but the rest of his game is too raw and unrefined to make him a legit contender.

For anyone who hasn’t competed in combat sports, it’s hard to understand, but you really do need to use the things you learn in training while actively competing, in order to really incorporate them into your arsenal. The term ‘trial by fire’ sort of applies..if you don’t use it and stick to the gameplan during an actual fight, learning striking from Wandy doesn’t really do anything to help you as a competitor. You might actually be able to TEACH stand-up after learning it from Wandy, but that doesn’t make you a better fighter.

That’s a small part of why you sometimes see guys specifically make a fight a stand-up fight when they’re obvious strength is in G&P. Some of it is, of course, counter-programming and trying to confuse their opponent.

Maia has an A+ skill/ability (offense-minded BJJ) right now, and if he can bring the rest of his game up to B-, he’ll be a contender. That will take time, however, to accomplish.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Aug 10, 2008 10:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Not the point I was making..

My point was not that Wanderlei trained him, but that he was impressed with his existing ability. The video is on UFC.com. You can understand every third word that Wanderlei says. Check it out..

Just because the guy hasn’t had to rely on his striking doesn’t mean you can deduce that he is a slouch at it. Would you also say that Anderson has no ground game because he hasn’t had to rely on it? I think people are being presumptious about Maia’s striking ability simply because he’s able to dispatch his opponents so handily on the ground. Anderson wins by knocking dudes heads off. Maia wins by getting Submission of the Night every time he fights. So now is it an argument of the more important component?

And to be fair, Anderson would absolutely win that fight. But what other options exist for the UFC down the line? (Which is also a point of mine that is being missed.)

by Blackout612 on Aug 10, 2008 10:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not being confrontational regarding Maia's strikes.

But it’s a fair point to make about a guy needing to use something in competition before really owning that skill. For all I know, he’s got incredible striking, but prefers to play the BJJ game, which he is insanely good at.

I’m not saying his striking isn’t good, far from it. I’m saying that before you can legitimately match him up against the top guys in his division, he has to display those skills and use them as a big part of his offensive gameplan en route to victory. I really don’t care how good his striking is, to be honest. I think it’s important for him to actually use it some before we can say he’s a contender. That’s really all I’m saying.

Put it another way. If you’re an A+ striker who has trained with Royce Gracie on your BJJ, but haven’t actually used it in competition yet, it would be pretty foolish to fight a guy like BJ Penn. Maybe your BJJ is great, but as a competitor, you absolutely do NOT want your trial run to be against one of the best in the world.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Aug 10, 2008 11:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wait, wait, wait...

Who’s talking about trial runs against one of the best in the world? I never said he’s ready to fight Anderson Silva now.

I’m not going to go much further into this, because this is entirely diverting from my original statement. And that was that the UFC should start Maia along a path towards Anderson Silva. It’s a broad statement based on his exciting fights and amazing BJJ skills (and the questions regarding who can contend with Silva in the future), but it also has obvious implications. Say that means three more fights. Saaaaay he fights Okami, Cote and Leben. You can draw any number of conclusions; he loses to one, he loses to two—so he never sees Anderson. He beats all three? Sure, he earns the right to be beat by the greatest fighter competing today.

And entirely seperate of that is my belief that Maia is a top ten middleweight today. You are entitled to disagree, but it won’t effect my opinion.

by Blackout612 on Aug 10, 2008 11:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ok, I think I understand your position a little better now.

There was some seriously odd love towards Maia on some threads here and elsewhere, I probably was reacting to those sentiments (ZOMG, HE DEZURVZ DA TITAL RITE NOW!1!!) rather than your position.

And let me reiterate, I think he’s got an incredible future here. A guy with his mastery and style of BJJ could do wonders for the sport. I get so sick of seeing the Brazilians come in, allow themselves to be taken down, and then lay there waiting for their opponent to do something stupid and hand them a victory. Maia is nothing like that, from what I’ve seen. He’s very active with his positioning and uses BJJ as an offensive weapon, rather than a counterattacking system.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Aug 11, 2008 1:50 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The people that started those threads

... are usually nut-huggers from his most recent fight. I’ve been huggin’ his junk for a while now. The dude makes Royce look like crap.

"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill

by FlyByKnight on Aug 11, 2008 3:20 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You're probably his most vocal proponent,

that’s for sure ;) And while I wouldn’t go so far as to say that he makes Royce look like crap, I will say that it looks to me like he is capable of injecting some desperately needed change to BJJ in the MMA world.

And yeah, he’s got a legit A+ BJJ profile. If he can take a fight with a well-rounded vet and stand with him, inflicting damage on the feet, and then switch gears to his BJJ attack mode, he’ll have a very bright future in MMA.

But at the end of the day, that’s my only reservation about the guy (if it should even be called a reservation), that he’s too one-dimensional RIGHT NOW. This is Mixed Martial Arts, after all, and he just needs to show the ability to mix a little more in with his world-class BJJ before I’ll be a born-again believer.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Aug 11, 2008 4:12 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, like they always said ...

... it’s much easier to teach a jits guy how to strike than it is to teach a striker the intricacies of jits.

I just think training with Wandy will further the development of Maia more than people even realize.

The funny part is that Maia’s takedowns are top notch and people are so awed by his jits that they overlook that when he clinches with you, you’re going down.

"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill

by FlyByKnight on Aug 11, 2008 5:29 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

First off...

Florian Huerta fight was a bore fest. I cant stand ‘elusive’ fighters. Being technical is one thing (see GSP) but that was just a sucky ass fight. Dana himself almost even said it. Roger was hunting the whole fight to some jackass that just wanted to pull out a decision.

“I FINISH FIGHTS!”

Pffffffffft!!! Yeah fricken right! Scared much? If I was Roger I would have been talking smack for the way Kenflo “fought” him. Other than this fight the whole card was great. I actually went on a beer run when Congo fought and I watched the DVR replay back the next day to find out I didn’t miss anything.

I’m a big Brock fan so I was really pumped for his fight and I was glad to see he got the W. That punch was unbelievable! His antics didnt bother me, my whole house actually laughed. Brock VS Gonzaga next please.

GSP is ridiculous! I watched that fight about 4 times again yesterday and damn he is probably my pick for best p4p fighter in the world. Much respect for Fitch though. He would not and could not fold. Too much heart and you see why GSP gave him a lot of props after the fight. Also, he would destroy BJ right now. BJ should stick to his weight class and defend his title 2 or 3 times.

BTW, how can the UFC allow someone like Dan Evensen into their organization? C’mon now. Are they just as guilty as EliteXC? Was that a freebie for Congo? I think so…

by xFenixKnightx on Aug 11, 2008 8:45 AM EDT   0 recs

Florian moved out of the way when Roger threw his telegraphed haymakers, then countered him. It wasn’t the greatest fight, but maybe you should lay some of the blame on Huerta’s sloppy go for broke style??

"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"

by BJJDenver on Aug 11, 2008 3:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly.

Florian could see those strikes coming from a mile away. What was he supposed to do? Just stand there and get hit, I guess.

by Richard on Aug 11, 2008 4:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Seemed like Huerta was a mini-GSP or trying to do so

by lovingmma25 on Aug 11, 2008 4:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He may have been trying to do so, but it was a very poor imitation.

by Richard on Aug 11, 2008 10:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Florian had to back away

Why? Because Huerta’s 25,000 Superman Punch attempts were always coming.

"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill

by FlyByKnight on Aug 11, 2008 5:12 PM EDT   0 recs

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