Bloody Elbow July MMA Meta-Rankings: Lightweight
| Fighter | Points | Promotion | Last Rank |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1. B.J. Penn | 498 | UFC | 1 |
| 2. Takanori Gomi | 474 | WVR | 2 |
| 3. Shinya Aoki | 438 | DREAM | 3 |
| 4.Gesias Calvancante | 394 | DREAM | 4 |
| 5. Sean Sherk | 342 | UFC |
5 |
| 6. Tatsuya Kawajiri | 337 | DREAM | 6 |
| 7. Eddie Alvarez | 329 | DREAM/Elite XC | 13 |
| 8. Josh Thomson | 288 | Strikeforce | 15 |
| 9. Joachim Hansen | 286 | DREAM | 19 |
| 10. Gilbert Melendez | 248 | Strikeforce | 6 |
| 11. Kenny Florian | 214 | UFC | 10 |
| 12. Vitor Ribeiro | 209 | DREAM(?) | 9 |
| 13.Roger Huerta | 197 | UFC | 11 |
| 14. Mitsuhiro Ishida | 196 | DREAM | 8 |
| 15. Tyson Griffin | 165 | UFC | NR |
| 16. Caol Uno | 146 | DREAM | 12 |
| 17. Joe Stevenson | 144 | UFC | 16 |
| 18. Frank Edgar | 104 | UFC | 17 |
| 19. Andre Amade | 95 | DREAM | 19 |
| 20. Gray Maynard | 93 | UFC | 20 |
| 21. K.J. Noons | 90 | EliteXC | NR |
| 22. Nate Diaz | 89 | UFC | 18 |
| 23.Takashi Nakakura | 86 | Shooto | 19 |
| 24. Ryan Schultz | 85 | WVR | NR |
| 25. Jamie Varner | 82 | WEC | NR |
Here are this month's lightweight Meta-rankings. As always keep in mind that these are not our opinion, rather a compilation of the rankings issued by leading MMA web sites. This is the division where IMO the meta-rankings really bring some clarity to a very muddled picture. Because the UFC abandoned the division for more than two years, PRIDE was long considered the sole province of top lightweights.
Despite the UFC having rebuilt an extremely impressive division in the last couple of years, because most of their top contenders have either been young (Florian, Huerta, Griffin, Stevenson) or moved from higher weight classes (Penn, Sherk), there wasn't a clear record of cross-competition. Therefore the ex-PRIDE fighters were long over-ranked, and even though Penn is now almost universally considered #1, the other contenders in the UFC lightweight division are still underranked IMO.I expect if Florian vs Huerta is won in impressive fashion that the winner will break into the top 10, maybe even into some top 5s. If Griffin keeps winning he should continue to rise as well.
The DREAM tournament should have brought some clarity to the picture, but instead only muddled things further with upset losses by Aoki, Ishida, Calvacante, and Kawajiri and the unexpected rise of Eddie Alvarez and the come-back of Hansen. It seems like the fighting world has decided to act as if Aoki's loss to Hansen doesn't count against Aoki but does help Hansen. The meta-rankings even out those sites who choose to ignore Alvarez with those who consider him near the very top.
Ribeiro's balloon continues to deflate as his inactivity continues. I'm still very interested to see him fight one of DREAM's PRIDE veterans, Ishida, Kawajiri, or Uno would all be good matchups for the BJJ ace.
Noons, Schulz and Varner illustrate the value of winning belts in weak promotions. None of them has beaten another fighter currently ranked in the top 25 in the last three years (Schulz beat Huerta way back in the day). They've all got some impressive wins but I don't think they'd do that well in the bigger leagues. Schulz will have a chance to rise higher in the WVR/Sengoku lightweight tournament which is an excellent mix of the best fighters from small promotions like DEEP, CageForce and KOTC.
Facing the winner of that tournament will keep Gomi active but he's becoming increasingly irrelevant over time, as if he were in a parallel and much smaller universe. At this point, the only fighters on his resume still on the top 25 list are Ishida, Kawajiri, Hansen and Penn and he lost to the latter two.
Thomson and Melendez are likewise trapped in a parallel universe of Strikeforce. It would be nice if they would go fight in DREAM, Sengoku or Elite XC if not the UFC.
Based on the premise that opinions are like assholes, everybody has one and they all stink, instead of putting up our own subjective fighter rankings, we compile and average the rankings of every source we could find online.
The goal is to show how the MMA community rates the fighters, not to bore you with our opinions.
Be sure and look at the points, they're a much more telling number than the ranking. There's clearly a huge gulf between the top 9 fighters and those that follow.
A total of 37 fighters were ranked in the top 25 by one source or another. For reasons of sanity I only track the top 25 most highly rated fighters.
25 points are awarded for a first place ranking, 16 for a 10th place ranking, 1 for a 25th place ranking. A formula is used to "normalize" the data so all fighters are awarded points from those lists that do not include a full 25 fighters. Each site consulted awards a total of 325 points. Fuller explanation below.
Rankings were compiled from the following sites: TAGG Radio, MMA News, Sherdog, Cage Potato, MMA On Tap, Five Ounces of Pain, Houston Chronicle's Brawl Sports, WAMMA, MMA Fighting, MMA-ELO, FCFighter, 411 Mania, MMA Madness, FFightMatrix, MMA Playground, HDNet/Inside MMA, MMAVT (Japan), Total MMA and Figure 4 Online.
The normalization scheme as explained by JCS of FightMatrix is here:
The “normalization number” (new name) would be:
120
divided by
(Total Fighters Found in Any List minus 10)Every fighter found somewhere else, but on a Top 10 list would be assigned this number.
The “normalization” number would not apply to a fighter not found on a Top 25 list. They would simply get 0.
So the process would be:
Do all of the Top 25 lists first, #1 = 25, #2 = 24…. #24 = 2, #25 = 1
Do all of the Top 10 lists, same scoring structure.. stops at #10 = 16Figure out that normalization variable.
Fill in the normalization variable to all fighters not found in the Top 10 lists, but found elsewhere.
Do your totals and rank.
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Damn, I really hope Dream doesn’t bite the dust!
However, if they do, I want the UFC to go get some of the LWs. I think they could really spice up an already exciting division.
Hansen, Alvarez, Aoki, oh yeah!
"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"
by BJJDenver on Aug 1, 2008 1:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
oops, forgot Eddie is EXC guy. To bad he would fit very well in the UFC, imo.
"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"
by BJJDenver on Aug 1, 2008 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And forget Nick Diaz, I want to see Noons vs Alvarez!!
"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"
by BJJDenver on Aug 1, 2008 1:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
they need to build up Alvarez IMO
And honestly if they’d forget about Jake Shields and their one man 170lb division, the could have a 160lb field of KJ Noons, Nick Diaz, Eddie Alvarez, Paul Daley, and Yves Edwards. That’s a lot of fun matchups right there. And if Crazy Horse hadn’t fucked up so many times….
by Kid Nate on Aug 1, 2008 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Krazy is dead to me, lol. Seriously, after that Joe Boxer debacle, I am done with him. That was just to much.
There is so much 155-160 talent around the world, I agree they should be focusing on building that division up. Excitement will bring the fans.
"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"
by BJJDenver on Aug 1, 2008 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Schultz
Noons, Schulz and Varner illustrate the value of winning belts in weak promotions. None of them has beaten another fighter currently ranked in the top 25.
Granted it was 4 years ago…but Shultz does have a win over Huerta
by DeepCerulean on Aug 1, 2008 1:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good point
I even noticed that when I was working on this post. thanks for catching.
by Kid Nate on Aug 1, 2008 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't
Hansen say a while back that he would never fight in the UFC?
by asmiley420 on Aug 1, 2008 2:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Now that you mention it, he did say something along those lines.
If he really meant it, then send him to EXC with Alvarez!
"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"
by BJJDenver on Aug 1, 2008 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the ufc had hansen’s contract when they bought pride…. he was contracted to make a certain amount with pride and expected the ufc to honor the contract amount. the ufc offered him about half of that , if i remember correctly, in order to get a fight. Hansen refused and sat out the rest of the contract…..the pride contracts had a time component where if you didn’t get the contracted fights within the contracted time you were free and clear to sign somewhere else. i seem to remember hansen being a bit upset that they wouldn’t pay him the amount, but wouldn’t release him either…so he had to sit on the sidelines for about 9 or 10 months…. i think mark hunt was in a similar situation.
by robnashville on Aug 2, 2008 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All Statements Below Apply Only to the Last Three Years
Roger Huerta, K.J. Noons, Nate Diaz, Ryan Schultz and Jamie Varner have not faced another Top 25 fighter.
Eddie Alvarez is 3-0 against Top 25 fighters.
B.J. Penn and Takanori Gomi are 2-0.
Shinya Aoki and Gesias Calvancante are 3-1.
Josh Thomson and Gray Maynard are 1-0.
Mitsuhiro Ishida is 2-2.
Sean Sherk and Frank Edgar are 1-1.
Gilbert Melendez and Andre Amade are 1-2.
Kenny Florian, Vitor Ribeiro, Tyson Griffin, Joe Stevenson and Takashi Nakakura are 0-1.
Tatsuya Kawajiri, Joachim Hansen and Caol Uno are 1-3.
by Richard Wade on Aug 1, 2008 7:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I checked these records pretty quickly, so there’s a good chance I made a mistake.
by Richard Wade on Aug 1, 2008 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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