I Love Dana White's Ruthlessness
Sink or swim, children, because this is a shark tank:
UFC 84: “Ill Will” — perhaps the most action-packed pay-per-view (PPV) event for the promotion thus far in 2008 — will air for free on Spike TV at 9 p.m. ET on July 26 — the same night and time as Elite XC “Saturday Night Fights” on CBS. And just in case you miss that episode it will re-air again at 11:30 p.m. ET.
In addition, Spike TV will feature a full day of mixed martial arts programming that begins at 4 p.m. ET with a rebroadcast of UFC Fight Night 14: “Silva vs. Irvin” special that is set to take place on Saturday, July 19.
I do not buy the argument that Dana White doesn't care about MMA by virtue of the fact that he decides to - GASP - actually compete with his competitors. The argument is quite strange, actually. On the one hand, critics assert there is this infinite universe of top shelf MMA other than the UFC universe, yet need White to not interfere for their universe to gain any footing.
And the argument that White must adopt some bastardized version of laissez faire towards his opposition for the good of the sport is absurd, although strangely reflective of reality. It's precisely because White & Co. have done so much to improve the image of the sport, it's legal status and revenue generating potential that competitors decided to enter the market. It's because they succeeded that others now want a share of the pie. To then further suggest that White and the UFC should take a step back once competitors enter the market after largely creating the market itself is the height of lunacy.
Competition is good for MMA and it's good for the fans. And in MMA, we expect the fighters to earn their keep. We should ask no less of the fighter promoters and organizations. There's no such thing as unfair matchmaking when its voluntary in the world of business. EliteXC and Affliction invited themselves to join the party and must deal with the realities as such. Either get better or get out.
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But...
relentless counter-programming is not a good thing for the fans. And in fact has hurt boxing viewership significantly. It’s damn near impossible to put on a successful boxing PPV anymore (barring absolute top shelf events) because you’re always getting countered by a “free” show on HBO or Showtime..etc.
When events could be on in off weeks rather than head-to-head fans lose out.
From a business standpoint I absolutely understand what Dana is doing…and I’d do the same thing. i just hate thinking that rather than be able to watch everything live I am forced to pick and choose. This same thing has created a lot of problems with fans feeling like networks and boxing promoters don’t care about what the fans want and just care about the money. Regardless of how true that is…it shouldn’t be made that obvious all the time.
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"The reason a lot of people do not recognize opportunity is because it usually goes around wearing overalls and looking like hard work." -- Thomas Edison
by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 9, 2008 11:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not suggesting...
...that in every case this is a good thing for the sport. I tend to think a) in the age of DVR and the Internet that simultaneous programming is not the worst thing in the world and b) that I’m not against competition to the UFC; I’m against lazy competition that don’t understand the stakes or how to properly compete.
by Luke Thomas on Jul 9, 2008 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd agree with those...
And like I said, I’d do it the same way if I were Dana. I just don’t like the trend that we’re starting to see where any event of significance is being countered with another significant event.
I agree whole heartedly in the “get better or get out” mentality. This is just the fan in me talking and wondering “why can’t I just have fights every week rather than 2 on one week and none on the next?”
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"The reason a lot of people do not recognize opportunity is because it usually goes around wearing overalls and looking like hard work." -- Thomas Edison
by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 9, 2008 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like it because we’re getting more UFC programming for free. As someone who wasn’t going to watch EXC anyway, this is nice.
by Richard Wade on Jul 9, 2008 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you have no interest in watching the best fighters in the world?
"They said you was hung!!"
"And they was RIGHT!"
by BJJDenver on Jul 9, 2008 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Note: sarcasm. Just in case, lol.
"They said you was hung!!"
"And they was RIGHT!"
by BJJDenver on Jul 9, 2008 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my 2 cents
Great Article! UFC created the level of playing field that MMA is on today. WIthout Dana & Co it’s fair to say that the EliteXC and Affliction wouldn’t have had a womb to grow in!
If they can’t run with the big dogs, sit in the UFC seats and see how its done
all you gotta do is...
by imapimp08 on Jul 9, 2008 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AGREED!
I totally agree with you, Luke, and great article btw. The funniest thing is that Dana’s competition for the EXC card on the 26th is simply a free airing of a great card… thats already happened. This means he is figuratively punching Gary Shaw in his huge gut in terms of competition, and not ONE ufc fighter will get the slightest cut or injury, and its totally free for Dana. Brilliant.
by MMAsubb on Jul 9, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dana White Is The Man….just think…whenever Affliction folds…maybe some of those HW’s can bolster of the lacking HW division in the UFC?
Kelvin Hunt
I'm like those boyz on the sidelines...cause I ain't playing...
by Tha Realness on Jul 9, 2008 11:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Considering Dana failed to get Fedor once already, Sylvia was released and has a deal with Adrenaline, Arlovski was treated like shit over the last year of his contract and also has a deal with Adrenaline, Rothwell is Adrenaline, and Josh Barnett will probably never be offered a UFC contract ever again, I don’t see the UFC HW division being bolstered any time soon.
by Mike Fagan on Jul 9, 2008 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love this move
For two reasons.
1. I would argue that UFC 84 was not only the best PPV this year, but maybe the last two years. That show had wall-to-wall exciting fights. I thoroughly enjoyed it and I will enjoy it again on July 26th.
2. Between DVR and the internet, this is a great move for some fans like myself who absolutely HATE EliteXC’s production. I cannot stand watching their shows. I do enjoy some of the fights because I am an MMA fan, but from the announcers to the cage interviewer to the dancing girls to the cheesy music and light show I despise their production values. This now gives me something to watch that night and then I can watch the Elite show on DVR and fast forward to the fights I care about.
I don’t say this often, but YAY DANA!
by Nick Travaglini on Jul 9, 2008 11:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
a common phrase at my house
“FAST FORWARD, FAST FORWARD”
all you gotta do is...
by imapimp08 on Jul 9, 2008 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ours is...
“Why the hell are we watching commercials?!”
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"The reason a lot of people do not recognize opportunity is because it usually goes around wearing overalls and looking like hard work." -- Thomas Edison
by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 9, 2008 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mine is….why the hell am I watching a commercial…..during my pay per view?
by robnashville on Jul 9, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice!!
"They said you was hung!!"
"And they was RIGHT!"
by BJJDenver on Jul 9, 2008 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did Anyone See UFC History Special
last night on CNBC featuring how the UFC started and where it was headed. I was supprised that it all ready outdraws all but the biggest fights. With this Elite competition maybe it will solve my biggest bitch with the UFC, watching old fights again and again. I think I’ve seen the first Franklin-Silva fight 103 times. Why can’t we see like a Gray Manard, Joe Luzon or just about anybody on a regular basis, rather than re-runs.
by btsmith on Jul 9, 2008 11:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Was it the
“From Bloodsport to Big Time” or whatever? That was a year or two old but I see they have been running it quite a bit again lately.
Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
"The reason a lot of people do not recognize opportunity is because it usually goes around wearing overalls and looking like hard work." -- Thomas Edison
by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 9, 2008 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In this day and age, I just don’t see this counter-programming trend as a big deal.
I would love to see a survey done on how many homes don’t have more than one TV with some type of recording capability, let alone a multiple tuner DVR. It is just to easy to view multiple programs with this common technology. My guess is that a high percentage of the homes without this capability, probably also lack cable/sat tv, thus not getting Spike anyways.
If someone is truly interested in watching Affliction live, on their TV and not some crappy download, they are going to buy it. If someone wants to watch the EXCBS, they will. And if someone is only interested in the UFC, that is what they will watch. I personally, will be watching all of them and I would prefer live mma over a rebroadcast of something I have already seen.
That said, I think it is still a good idea for the UFC to do this, as it keeps their product in the viewers eyes and that is rarely a bad thing.
"They said you was hung!!"
"And they was RIGHT!"
by BJJDenver on Jul 9, 2008 12:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's a good call
And great counter to Elite XC and Dana White is a brilliant businessman, hate him or love him… I personally don’t think UFC has to worry too much about Elite though, I think they should put more attention on Affliction and with the July 19th fights I give the edge to Affliction’s fight card and will be watching that one and maybe record the UFC fight.
As for the July 26th fights, I myself, having already seen UFC 84 (and enjoyed every minute of it) will most likely watch Elite XC only because I haven’t seen it.
What is everybody else going to watch?
by MGMMMA on Jul 9, 2008 12:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What they should do is put some of the unbroadcast fights from the recent cards together for counter programming.
"They said you was hung!!"
"And they was RIGHT!"
by BJJDenver on Jul 9, 2008 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well they do that to a degree with Unleashed…but I don’t think the no-namers (with all due respect) would be a draw against a live card. They gotta go with the big fish here.
by Beer Monster on Jul 9, 2008 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
‘m just saying, that they should put together some type of card with a main event replay like BJ/Sherk or Rampage/Griffin and then some “fresh” fights that have yet to air. For instance, Gabriel Gonzaga, Corey Hill, a number of fights from the TUF finale etc…
I’m not saying bring out the same fights they have already aired on Unleashed from several cards ago. They need to forgo the revenue of UFC on demand and put on untelevised fights if they really want to draw viewers away.
For instance, I wouldn’t mind seeing 84 again, but I’m not going to choose that over live mma on CBS and Showtime, especially when they actually have some decent fighters on. (of course I will dvr it and watch it at my convenience.)
"They said you was hung!!"
"And they was RIGHT!"
by BJJDenver on Jul 9, 2008 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this CBS show going to be live? The last one was on tape delay here.
by Richard Wade on Jul 9, 2008 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure.
So much for a Gina “wardrobe malfunction”, lol.
"They said you was hung!!"
"And they was RIGHT!"
by BJJDenver on Jul 9, 2008 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just saying, that they should put together some type of card with a main event replay like BJ/Sherk or Rampage/Griffin and then some “fresh” fights that have yet to air. For instance, Gabriel Gonzaga, Corey Hill, a number of fights from the TUF finale etc…
I’m not saying bring out the same fights they have already aired on Unleashed from several cards ago. They need to forgo the revenue of UFC on demand and put on untelevised fights if they really want to draw viewers away.
For instance, I wouldn’t mind seeing 84 again, but I’m not going to choose that over live mma on CBS and Showtime, especially when they actually have some decent fighters on. (of course I will dvr it and watch it at my convenience.)
"They said you was hung!!"
"And they was RIGHT!"
by BJJDenver on Jul 9, 2008 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still watching EXC
Dana White is king, and so if UFC—but I (and probably most readers of BE) have seen every fight that they will re-air that night (this will include the 7/19 UFC Fight Night by then).
Although I applaud his innate business acumen, this move confirms that White and the UFC are, in fact, threatened by the new MMA promotions.
I don’t like the move because, as a fan of MMA, I wouldn’t want to see all of the other promotions fail. The UFC puts on the best show, hands down. But if the UFC were to become the only show in town, we’d see big cards like these only 10-12 times per year rather than multiple shows per month.
GIMME MORE MMA.
by steak_knife on Jul 9, 2008 12:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The fight night on the night of the Afflction show makes it seem like he’s a little threatened, but I don’t feel that way about showing reruns up against the Elite show.
It’s a smart move for the UFC and Spike. Lots of MMA fans are going to be at home that Saturday night because they want to watch the Elite Show. If (when?) there is 30 minutes of bullshit between fights, a terrible fight is happening, fans now have an alternative.
I mean, what does Spike usually show Saturday night? Shitty movies? They know there’s going to be a bunch of MMA fans staying in to watch TV, why wouldn’t they put some MMA on?
by Phildo on Jul 9, 2008 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will too
But I don’t think Elite compares at all to UFC at this stage in the game, of course. I do like the diversity though. But on the other hand, isn’t it a little more exciting when you have to wait a month for the next big fight? The card is released and you think to yourself, I can’t wait for that. Then they promote it on Spike and you want it now and when it happens it’s such a relief… Maybe that’s me.
As for the Affliction card, that gets top billing for me. I’m looking forward to Fedor smashing Tim Sylvia, not to mention the rest of the fights…
Right now the UFC is the biggest game in town and has been for years and everything was fine then and is now. My only concern is the UFC turning into a WWE type organization. I don’t think it’ll happen but anything’s possible.
by MGMMMA on Jul 9, 2008 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dana White's ruthlessness
was demonstrated on the special last night. His focus is demonic for what he has instore for the UFC and nothing better get in the way, was my read. At his pressers, he reminded me of Bill Parcells pressers, ” What kind of Question is That, you stupid S.O.B.”
I loved it.
by btsmith on Jul 9, 2008 12:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have nothing against Dana’s business practices. Honestly, if it were my company, I’d do the same. He made the UFC successful, he wants to keep it so. It doesn’t make any sense to let your competition get a leg-up on you, because there is no guarantee they’d provide you the same courtesy should they start overtaking you.
by pud333 on Jul 9, 2008 12:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure JD Penn loves the idea of his brother main-eventing the counterprogramming.
by Beer Monster on Jul 9, 2008 12:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree with Luke. Tough competition among the MMA promotions only makes the sport stronger over the long-term. The good promotions will only become stronger, and the lesser promotions will go away. In the short-term, fans may have to make some difficult choices, but it will be worth it in the end.
Even if Dana’s counter-programming doesn’t put a big dent in EXC’s ratings, it still reminds fans that the UFC is the biggest player in the industry. From a business perspective that’s a good move.
by Cannon Jacques on Jul 9, 2008 12:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
From a business perspective that’s a good move
What about the fan’s perspective? The move is great—if you work for UFC.
The big question is: Where am I going to watch Gina Carano once EXC goes under? C’MON!
by steak_knife on Jul 9, 2008 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s funny….... but probably lost on most folks here…..
by robnashville on Jul 9, 2008 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
your stock just went up in my eyes… a tip of the hat to that gentleman
by robnashville on Jul 9, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry.
Dana will add women’s divisions to the WEC after he kills EXC.
by Cannon Jacques on Jul 9, 2008 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s actually a decent idea.
"They said you was hung!!"
"And they was RIGHT!"
by BJJDenver on Jul 9, 2008 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a fan, I don’t like seeing the top fighters spread amongst multiple organizations, so best case scenario is that the other “major players” in North America go under so we can get some of their better fighters fighting in the UFC.
by Richard Wade on Jul 9, 2008 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think eventually, the real top fighters from these orgs will tire of the lack of quality competition and bail for better water. The lack of depth in EXC is somewhat disturbing, as imo, they have abandoned signing good young talent to fill the need of network TV. they started out with a pretty good gameplan, but then seemed to stray away from that plan.
"They said you was hung!!"
"And they was RIGHT!"
by BJJDenver on Jul 9, 2008 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they focused on talented up-and-comers they might be worth watching.
by Richard Wade on Jul 9, 2008 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not only is this a great counter move…this is also great in that re-airing this will expose fighter’s like Lyoto Machida to more and more people.
Kelvin Hunt
I'm like those boyz on the sidelines...cause I ain't playing...
by Tha Realness on Jul 9, 2008 1:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What else will this do
This counter programming will expose our new casual mma fans to what they should be seeing in a mma event. What does dancing cheerleaders, disco dancing fighters, and rappers have to do with mma? MMA is all about the fight – our new fans will get to see that with the counter programming on Spike TV. I would not be surprised if Spike TV’s ratings for the counter programming does just as good if not better than Elite XC’s.
by lovingmma25 on Jul 9, 2008 1:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My sentiments exactly
When I watched a little of Elite’s carnival-sideshow presentation last time, I was hoping that this never caught hold and Kimbo Sluice (or what ever his name was), was a joke. The UFC, Spike programs are clean and mean. As for myself, which I would call myself a true fan, but not fanatic (as you probably can tell), about MMA. I take alot of enjoyment following fighters I know, and those who came up through TUF. It’s fun, and you almost know them. I look forward to fight nights on Wednesdays and Saturdays, it just makes my life more interesting.
This is what I think most fans want. I know a little about the other clubs but don’t want to make MMA a full time gig.
by btsmith on Jul 9, 2008 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dana did mention how many people watched the first cba show of elite xc and how people thought that was ufc. could be he wants people to see the difference in the two brands and the quality of what the UFC has as well
by artc on Jul 9, 2008 2:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s an awesome move. Now about a million people that never saw it will get to see Wand-Jardine and Penn-Sherk.
by Michael Rome on Jul 9, 2008 2:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It is about time
Finally the UFC is cutting loose with some of those archives of fights I’ve heard about but never seen. I honestly don’t think it would have happened without some kind of competition. I watched one PPV for $40 and was really disappointed and said that is all for that. I can’t afford it anyway being on disability.
by btsmith on Jul 9, 2008 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d be happy if they showed some old Pride cards, lol.
"They said you was hung!!"
"And they was RIGHT!"
by BJJDenver on Jul 9, 2008 3:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Are they even doing the Pride highlight show on Fox Sports anymore?
Not saying it was better or worse than the UFC, just different and I miss it!
"They said you was hung!!"
"And they was RIGHT!"
by BJJDenver on Jul 9, 2008 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A better idea...
If they were smart, they would air UFC fights on a night where nothing was happening. They would get all of the MMA viewers instead of only half – or whatever number they drew during the first CBS Fight Night card. Going head to head with a live card on a major network with HD using an older PPV on SpikeTV and SD won’t hurt CBS. It’s just an overall dumb move – some fans get turned off by the ruthlessness, and you won’t grab a full audience. In this day and age where many people own a DVR or a TiVo, you won’t steal many viewers, but Dana and Co. are old school. Oh well. :)
by mma opinion on Jul 9, 2008 9:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No, what they’re doing is the smart move. Also, I believe Spike is available in HD depending upon your cable/satellite provider.
by Richard Wade on Jul 9, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The angst that causes everyone to say
“I just want to have good cards every week, instead of choosing between two cards every two weeks’ is exactly what Dana’s working on. He’s got the superior product, and he’s forcing competition because he knows that the MMA fanbase is so small at this point, it’s all the same people viewing the programming on EXC or UFC or whatever.
Dana’s absolutely right, and at this point I think what he’s doing is best for the sport. Force competition, and if the other promotions can meet his level of play well enough, then they survive. We aren’t to the point where we can present these events like the NFL, not even close. The clean-cut, down ‘n dirty presentation the UFC offers is the standard, and he’s forcing everyone to understand the difference between the promotions.
Dana’s the man. If he is allowed to have a monopoly ten years from now, it’s probably a problem for the sport. But today, he’s the right man, in the right spot, at the right time.
by misterjonez on Jul 9, 2008 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'll take fresh fights
yeah dana’s a smart guy, but i’ll take new action on cbs any day. some very legit fighters and bouts on cbs card. i assume they’re smart enough to improve their product.
by badger1 on Jul 10, 2008 2:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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