Rampage Jackson's Trainer Demands Investigation of Decision

by Kid Nate on Jul 7, 2008 12:34 PM EDT

Juanito_ibarra_sports_featu_medium From Sherdog:

Jackson's coach, Juanito Ibarra, plans to protest the unanimous decision with the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

"We got robbed," Ibarra told Sherdog.com Sunday afternoon. "We won the majority of the fight."

Judges Adalaide Byrd and Nelson Hamilton scored the bout 48-46 for Griffin, while Roy Silbert turned in a 49-46 tally for Griffin.

It's extremely unlikely that a protest would change the outcome of the fight. Ibarra isn't hopeful in that regard, but less than 24 hours after his fighter had lost in the UFC for the first time, the coach seemed determined to learn exactly how the fight was scored.

He was baffled that Byrd and Silbert gave Griffin a 10-9 advantage in the first round, during which Jackson dropped the challenger. In Ibarra's view, the knockdown warranted a 10-8 round in Jackson's favor. He believes Jackson won the third and fourth rounds on 10-9 scores, though he said Griffin deserved a 10-8 second round and a 10-9 fifth. That comes out to a 47-46 win for Jackson.

"You have to beat the champion," Ibarra asserted more than once.

Rami Genauer of FightMetric has some detailed round-by-round scoring analysis of the fight up at AOL that could bolster Ibarra's case.

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Juanito

Will have plenty of time to work on this protest, in his retirement. Right, brah? Remember that? I do.

by jebushchrist on Jul 7, 2008 12:21 PM EDT 0 recs

This is why you never say stuff like you’ll retire if Forrest wins.

by pud333 on Jul 7, 2008 12:31 PM EDT up 0 recs

I really dislike Ibarra now. Quit whining and retire.

by SplitBreast on Jul 7, 2008 12:32 PM EDT up 0 recs

hahahahahahaah “right, brah?” awesome man, im still laughing. And I agree with Splitbreast, I didn’t like Ibarra too much before hand because of his attitude in general, but this has sealed the deal for me.

by MMAsubb on Jul 7, 2008 12:39 PM EDT up 0 recs

hahaha. Solid.

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by Richard on Jul 7, 2008 12:47 PM EDT up 0 recs

“the coach seemed determined to learn exactly how the fight was scored.”

He’s not whining…what he’s asking for is legit IMO.

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by Tha Realness on Jul 7, 2008 12:35 PM EDT 0 recs

I agree with him, yet he needs to also blame the man in the mirror. He allowed his fighter to come in so dry he was ashy. Any fighter knows this is a big no no. Yet the judges scoring fights really do need something done about them.

by Tommy7 on Jul 7, 2008 12:56 PM EDT 0 recs

Ridiculous, Forrest won. Stop complaining about any robbery, this isn’t Heat.

It’s so stupid. Nobody can ever lose anymore. “Oh Shogun lost because he was injured for his wedding and fell off the plane from Brazil to Cali”. “Oh Rampage hits harder and he was robbed in the decision and he wasn’t ‘himself’ that night” blah blah blah.

I’m surprised it’s never crossed anyone’s mind that Forrest beats people because he’s a better fighter and not because of some wizard’s curse that gives him an advantage since the Jardine loss.

When people want someone to win they see things with rose colored glasses. When BJ Penn wins it’s because he’s a better fighter but when Forrest Griffin wins it’s all circumstance and luck? If Shogun had beat Forrest nobody would be saying “Oh Forrest lost because he had a bad shoulder”, because they would have wanted Shogun to win.

Everyone wants the asterisk next to their loss.

by godzillad on Jul 7, 2008 1:05 PM EDT 0 recs

lol!

by mythbuster on Jul 7, 2008 2:50 PM EDT up 0 recs

"Everyone wants the asterisk next to their loss."

And the winner of best line goes to godzillad.

by pud333 on Jul 7, 2008 3:12 PM EDT up 0 recs

This is a case of GSP vs Serra, where GSP trully just looked down on his opponents fighter skill, and he got punished. Rampage considered Forrest a joke, his bad. Yet I’m sure Dana and Chuck loved to see it. Liddells like,’ Hell yeah, I can KO Forrest and get my belt back, without having to fight that monster with my kyptonite.

by Tommy7 on Jul 7, 2008 1:06 PM EDT 0 recs

Difference is that Rampage didn’t get beat down like GSP did. This was one of the closest fights I’ve seen in a long time.

by Popetastic on Jul 7, 2008 1:09 PM EDT up 0 recs

Do you think maybe it was hard for Rampage to take Forrest seriously when:

A.) The only top name he’s defeated was Rua

B.) Keith Jardine knocked him out and he started to cry like a little girl

I liked Forrest until I saw him cry in the middle of the ring. So maybe Jackson thought he was just another bump in the road… Obviously not the smartest thing to do ever.

by MGMMMA on Jul 8, 2008 5:29 PM EDT up 0 recs

Juanito’s fist is huge.

by Nick Thomas on Jul 7, 2008 1:11 PM EDT 0 recs

hahahaha seriously! I thought he was holding a bleached one of those Hulk fists you can buy at kids stores.

by MMAsubb on Jul 7, 2008 1:24 PM EDT up 0 recs

I agree with Juanito

I think he should challenge the decision. For two judges to say that Rampage won only one round is ridiculous.

by lovingmma25 on Jul 7, 2008 1:53 PM EDT 0 recs

Off-base, sure. Ridiculous, I don’t think so. Jackson landed more strikes than Griffin in only one round.

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by Richard on Jul 7, 2008 3:58 PM EDT up 0 recs

as pud333 stated thats why you never say stuff like that. so then the real question is, will he retire and be a man of his word or will he cry and complain that rampage was robbed. Yeah even if you give the first round to rampage, he still fought not to lose and not fight to win.

anyway any way BE can keep us upto date on the retirement of Juanito?

by artc on Jul 7, 2008 1:55 PM EDT 0 recs

anyway any way BE can keep us upto date on the retirement of Juanito?

yes, and whether or not Rampage will be giving Forrest his whole purse because their fight went to a decision

by Chris Nelson on Jul 7, 2008 2:00 PM EDT up 0 recs

I'm torn

Much like the rest of the world, I expected Rampage to win. And even knowing how hard Forrest’s leg kicks are, I didn’t think he’d hurt Rampage.

In my mind, the fight was as close as it could be: I scored it 47-47. (Rampage-Griffin: 10-9,8-10,10-9,10-9,9-10) But if I had to pick a winner, it’d be Forrest because of how badly he fucked up Rampage’s leg. I’m really curious to hear what the doctors have to say about the injury.

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by jemaleddin on Jul 7, 2008 2:08 PM EDT 0 recs

In Ibarra’s view, the knockdown warranted a 10-8 round in Jackson’s favor.

Way to sound desperate in the midst of whining about a decision loss. First you and your fighter both guarantee that Forrest, who has a weak chin and can’t hurt anybody, will be destroyed before the fight ever gets to a decision. You even go so far as to promise to retire if Forrest wins, and your fighter bets “his whole purse” the fight won’t get to a decision. Then, when you lose a decision, you decide to sound like a lunatic by suggesting a single knockdown in a round that you were otherwise arguably losing merits a 10-8 score in your fighter’s favor. Right.

by Kierkegaard on Jul 7, 2008 2:33 PM EDT 0 recs

Now I see

I get it… You love Griffin.

Fair enough.

by MGMMMA on Jul 8, 2008 6:06 PM EDT up 0 recs

Pathetic

This just make Ibarra look bad.

I think there could be a case made for a 47-47 split, but to me watching it, it seemed obvious that Forrest was winning the fight.

There was always that chance Rampage could knock him down, but through out the fight Forrest was clearly “out-pointing” him. If a strike is a strike, Rampage got whooped. But if Rampage hits harder, thus doing more damage with less blows, how do we score that? Define “effective striking.” Is it Rampage punching Forrest’s arms so hard his head hurts? Or is it Forrest landing a clean 3 punch combination down the pipe that doesn’t shake Rampage?

To me, anyone who says Rampage one is taking subjective liberties with how to judge a stand-up fight.

by ghettoiam on Jul 7, 2008 2:47 PM EDT 0 recs

Sour Grapes

Absolutely pathetic. That fight was close but no where near as close as other decisions that have been considered “controversial.” In fact, there have been much closer decisions in the past few months. The saying that “to beat the champion, you have to beat the champion” is noble, but it’s not true. While I’ll admit that it may play a role in judges’ minds when scoring championship bouts, it is not an actual judging criteria.

Also, does anyone know anything about the procedures of challenging a decision? What could possibly be gained from it? Has a decision ever been overturned for purely judging reasons?

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by Lucas2 on Jul 7, 2008 2:47 PM EDT 0 recs

Not sure about any reversals, but I believe they have ordered some immediate rematches in boxing.

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"And they was RIGHT!"

by BJJDenver on Jul 7, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up 0 recs

I guess he isn’t a man of his word and neither is Rampage. Where is the retirement and Forrest’s money? If you aren’t going to live up to your word stop whining about this fight and prepare your fighter to come back better in the rematch.

by SplitBreast on Jul 7, 2008 3:06 PM EDT 0 recs

Outside of the second round I personally didnt think Forrest did much to warrant a decision. I’m tired of this “Rampage deserved to lose cuz he didn’t fight his best and he was flat” bull. People glorifying Forrest’s win are giving him credit MOSTLY for doing what most didn’t think he could do, and because Page talked some shit… He got the decision, but he was lucky to get it, and looking at the biased score cards, obviously he was favored by the judges. Anyone on here lookin at the fight with the audacity to score it the way those judges did is crazy. Not that Page was overwhelmingly winning… but if u watch the fight on mute, and don’t allow other ppl’s opinions to sway you, theres no way u would score it 49-46… Forrest didn’t earn the title no matter how much u try to argue his way… He got full mount and could barely muster any offense outside of a few weak strikes, and rampage was obviously hurt. Rampage landed more significant strikes, knocked forrest down, took him down a few times, all after Forrest messed up his leg

BTW Page and Jaunito are supposed to be confident… and they hyped up a fight the best they could, so who cares if they didn’t retire. Most of you take the “shit talking” that fighters do way too seriously anyways.

by Loot on Jul 7, 2008 3:17 PM EDT 0 recs

Listen

I’m the first to tease Juanito, but I don’t blame him for this. He’s taking up for his guy. If I were him, I’d be asking for an explanation as well. I don’t think he believes in his heart that the fight result will be changed, but he’s smart enough to ride the wave of discontent into getting his guy an immediate rematch.

Also, he worked his entire life to get into this position and this isn’t professional wrestling, so he isn’t going to retire. Come on.

by jebushchrist on Jul 7, 2008 4:11 PM EDT 0 recs

Most of you take the "shit talking" that fighters do way too seriously anyways.

Is it me or are you the one here taking thngs a little more seroiusly than the rest of us.

You need to be confident in your fighter but to make drastic claims and promises if there is a loss, than back things up. If you dont then your not confident at all your just talking out your ass and no one will take you seriously.

by artc on Jul 7, 2008 4:22 PM EDT 0 recs

wait... what?

Are you talking to me?

by jebushchrist on Jul 7, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up 0 recs

Rampage should have watched Tito’s fight with Machida – the lesson there – is that chasing your opponent does not earn you the win.

So the Griffin-Machida fight will be a snooze fest.

by lovingmma25 on Jul 7, 2008 4:30 PM EDT 0 recs

Watched the fight again just now. 47-47 feels both morally and technically right. Quinton 10+8+10+10+9. Rd 3 or 4 to Forrest? C’mon…

by ununkvadrium on Jul 7, 2008 5:09 PM EDT 0 recs

After getting the initial distaste for the judging out of my system, i tried to look at it in a more favorable light for Forrest. I still see a draw as the best case scenario for him and also kind of lean towards Rampage even now. I looked over the judging criteria and I can see how someone could perceive it as closer than I thought it was, but i still can’t buy a Griffin win.

I like Forrest, and I don’t mind him holding the belt, but i would prefer it was in a less controversial manner. I am all for an immediate rematch, assuming Rampage’s knee is structurally sound.

There is something to be said for “beating” the champ to win the belt, and i just didn’t see that Saturday night.

Forrest is a tough fighter and it is a shame that there is so much of a question mark surrounding this fight.

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by BJJDenver on Jul 7, 2008 5:16 PM EDT up 0 recs

I really don’t see that big of a question mark. Forrest clearly won Round 2 by 10-8 and clearly won Round 5 by 10-9. Worst case scenario for him is a draw. I still think Forrest won Round 3, though I see why people might think otherwise.

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by Richard on Jul 7, 2008 5:19 PM EDT up 0 recs

I merely mean that there is a lot of attention being paid to the judging, even by myself, and it is unfortunate for Forrest who should be getting all the attention after winning a belt.

I personally, have a big problem with rd 2 being scored 10-8. Now if that round had gone the same way, but with forrest inflicting a lot of damage, or even landing a lot of strikes, after it went to the ground, then fine. I don’t think there was a 10-8 round in this fight for either guy.

If there were 3 cards with Griffin winning 48-47, I probably wouldn’t have much of a problem, but the way they came out all over the place, is unacceptable, imo.

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by BJJDenver on Jul 7, 2008 6:29 PM EDT up 0 recs

49-0 is a pretty large disparity in strikes when combined with absolute domination of positioning.

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by Richard on Jul 7, 2008 7:10 PM EDT up 0 recs

Yeah, I just have trouble getting past the ineffectiveness of the strikes. And the dominant position was completely accepted by Rampage and an intelligent position to a certain degree, as it allowed him to recover some knee strength. A lot of the strikes were either partially or completely defended. It probably should have been a 10-8 round, if they were a little more common. Unfortunately in mma, it seems 10-8 rounds are reserved for all but complete decimation, which wasn’t the case her, imo.

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by BJJDenver on Jul 8, 2008 12:05 PM EDT up 0 recs

Yeah, he landed 49 of 73.

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by Richard on Jul 8, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up 0 recs

Round 4 is obviously Jackson’s, but there’s an argument to be made for Griffin winning Round 3. He was the aggressor and he landed more strikes.

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by Richard on Jul 7, 2008 5:17 PM EDT up 0 recs

My phrasing suggests I think Round 3 more likely than not was won by Jackson. I don’t think that. I believe Griffin won that Round.

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by Richard on Jul 7, 2008 5:19 PM EDT up 0 recs

Griffin did not land much in round 3. The inside leg kicks were nothing, and had nothing on them. Jackson landed the only powerful shots of the round, and finished very strong.

I think the fight was a draw, rounds 2 and 5 to Forrest, with 2 being 10-8. I think there’s a good argument though that round 2 was not a 10-8 round, since Forrest didn’t do Jack shit from the mount, and Jackson was able to rest up and recover under there. He actually was better off in Forrest’s mount than otherwise.

by Michael Rome on Jul 7, 2008 5:48 PM EDT 0 recs

“I think there’s a good argument though that round 2 was not a 10-8 round, since Forrest didn’t do Jack shit from the mount, and Jackson was able to rest up and recover under there. He actually was better off in Forrest’s mount than otherwise.”

This is EXACTLY how I saw the judgement coming down. I had Rampage winning rd 5 due to effectiveness in the strikes, but it is fine if it went to forrest. I thought it would be 48-47 Jackson, due to the reasons you stated here.

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by BJJDenver on Jul 7, 2008 6:32 PM EDT up 0 recs

I still think Forrest won, but I can definitely see the match as a draw as well. Round two, however, I do see it as 10-8. Forrest had octagon control, he was more aggressive/pushed the pace, he landed more strikes, and he even did damage. Sure, his mount was a bit weak and all he sort of did was elbow a few times from the top, but it was active enough for the ref to let them stay in that position, and Rampage did nothing except hold on and recoup. Griffin didn’t bloody Quinton up, but I think the damage he did to Rampage’s leg (enough to cause Rampage to just lie there and wait for the third round), along with all the other factors, makes it a 10-8 round in my mind. I don’t believe a 10-8 round requires the ref to nearly stop it. If you’re dominating in all aspects of the fight, and your opponent basically does nothing for the round, that’s a 10-8.

by pud333 on Jul 7, 2008 6:14 PM EDT 0 recs

I don’t think it’s possible to do so little that you get stood up from mount.

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by Richard on Jul 7, 2008 7:11 PM EDT up 0 recs

Rematch! Rematch! Rematch!

Funny, but this somewhat controversial decision could end up as marketing gold for the UFC.

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by BJJDenver on Jul 7, 2008 6:33 PM EDT 0 recs

I can’t believe that the judging was the problem, and Juanito needs to let it go and get back to the drawing board, or he risks making himself and, by association, Rampage, look bad. I agree with BJDenver. Forrest winning is going to turn out to be a good thing for the UFC, from a marketing standpoint.

by Cmad77 on Jul 7, 2008 6:43 PM EDT 0 recs

Juanito

Juanito should investigate how he trained the lightweight champioin to forget how to get off his back! He just presided over what has become far too common in fighting…an over-confident, uninspired champion. Juanito, meet Rock Newman.

by tallsforeverybody on Jul 7, 2008 10:33 PM EDT 0 recs