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What's Up With Rampage Jackson's Attitude?

Has anyone else noticed that in the wake of losing the UFC Light Heavyweight belt that was preceded by a nationally televised show where he was prominently featured, Rampage seems awfully non-plussed?

Perhaps I'm reading too much into it, but Rampage appears to be significantly more content than one would expect. You can even see it in his performance. He is flat and completely nonexplosive. For whatever reason, that seems to be carrying over into his post-fight comments and demeanor.

What Rampage is exhibiting is apathy twinged with a hint of sadness and diminished expectations. In a post fight comment, Rampage said despite the loss he was still happy to be fighting in the greatest organization in the world. Huh? Yes, of course, all of that's true. But that's not the point. The point is that not only was Rampage defeated by a result completely different that his prediction, he is also no longer the belt holder, ostensibly the goal every single fighter in MMA alleges to want.

I guess what I'm objecting to is how willing Rampage was to accept the outcome. It was a mental surrender without the slightest hint of struggle. I can't say if I'm just imagining things or if true what the actual cause of it is, but Rampage put on a respectable but very uninspired performance last night.

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Forrest fought the perfect fight and slightly edged an uninspired Rampage. I don’t know what the deal was yesterday, but let’s hope this isn’t the Rampage we’ll be seeing from here on.

by Popetastic on Jul 6, 2008 3:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think there’s a couple things at play here. 1) The dude just lost a close fight that most people, and most importantly he thought he should have walked through. That has to be a huge letdown. 2) I really think the booing and villain role he’s played in the Liddell and Griffin fights has taken a toll on him.

by Mike Fagan on Jul 6, 2008 4:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree..

And I think that he’s just not a whiny person.. Why bitch and moan or contest a decision when it clearly could go either way?

by Johann on Jul 6, 2008 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he may just have been humbled by what happened in the fight. Judging from his post fight interview, I get the feeling that he really underestimated Forrest but then he wasn’t able to give the beatdown that he should’ve done. As he said, he respect Forrest now, when I think he should’ve done even before the fight. Maybe, to him, he was not in a position to question the judge’s decision when the fight could go either way and I think he was classy enough not to do so.

by Johann on Jul 6, 2008 4:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like Rampage, I picked him to win in convincing fashion.
He looked bad…really bad. He seemed disinterested in the fight and to me it didn’t look like he had a gameplan at all. Perhaps he believed all the hype and figured that with 1-2 punches Griffin would just fall down and things would magically work themselves out.
Last night the Rampage fighting was not the fighter I’m a fan of and the calls from my more casual friends last night ribbing me on Rampage’s loss really stung.
With that performance I really don’t see how he deserves an instant rematch.

by pr0cs on Jul 6, 2008 4:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think he was just in complete shock about how game forrest was for him. I think he underestimated forrest and was in shock he lost. He looked flat yes but I mean he rocked forrest pretty good in the 1st and he was still thowing some pretty hard shots in the later rounds on 1 leg. I dont want to even suggest it because it should never be an excuse but do you think he may of had an injury? I dont think he did but who knows.

by mlzybaby on Jul 6, 2008 4:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Along with his acceptance of this decision loss you can consider Juanito’s ever present whispers of 09 being the year of Rampage and the UFC’s lack of promotion for Rampage if you feel like compiling a conspiracy theory.
I’ve certainly seen shakier foundations for other ideas.

by Simco on Jul 6, 2008 4:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Isn’t the flat and nonexplosive (?) Rampage kind of the “new” Rampage? He did more or less the same thing against Liddell and Eastman. Against Hendo, being different from the previous two, he was fighting a shorter guy who’s more of in-your-face on the feet.

I think he exploded rather well against Forrest. I also think that he did the right thing by not running after him. In rd 1 it was obvious (at least to me) what he was planning for the evening – let Forrest stick and move and the clip him when he got sloppy.

Unfortunately, this strategy was all for not after the leg gave in. I counted at least two times when you could actually see in Rampage’s eyes that he knew he just missed a good counter because of a lack of snap in his left leg.

As for his attitude? He has sort of a fan problem these days. If he had been all “the-leg-screwed-me-otherwise-I’d-had-him” after the fight he would have been concieved of as a poor loser who’s making excuses. And did he actually look content after the decision? Sure, he smiled, but he forced that if you ask me.

He needs to be humble from here on to secure some support. And he knows that. He also knows that how popular you are can give you short cuts to title fights – the same exact reason he fought Forrest instead of Jardine. This is why he so demonstratetively limped out of the cage at the end. To let people see that his leg wasn’t “fine” and that it obviously did bother him in rds 3-5, all while “not making excuses”.

Rampage would’ve KO’d Forrest in spectacular fashion sooner or later if it hadn’t been for the leg. Guaranteed.

by ununkvadrium on Jul 6, 2008 4:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

To ma rampage wasn’t active enough. Rarely did I see him try to peel off combinations of 3 punches or more. Maybe he overtrained or had too much ring rust. Hell, I thought he was finished after the second round, so I can’t really call his heart into question.

by monkeyfightclub! on Jul 6, 2008 5:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Relax

It was one loss. I dont see this as some bigger picture about Rampage and his skills.

He got his knee taken out early in R2. That’s MMA, folks! He easily won R1 and was balls to the wall during R2 up to the knee kick.

A power puncher has NOTHING once his lead food is taken out. Leg kicking proved to be the equalizer and Forrest fought (barely) enough to win the rest of the way. Both pretty much said so during their post fight pressers.

by HoustonRaven on Jul 6, 2008 6:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Also

That’s how Jardin beat Lidell if you recall. Took his legs away.

by btsmith on Jul 6, 2008 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well sort of

While his leg was hurt, that pain didn’t completely immobilize him. It’s not sufficiently explanatory to say power punchers without legs are kaput. The fact is that Rampage looked uninspired and somewhat limited in his attacks from the outset. I can look at that and suprisingly comfortable attitude after getting his belt taken away. When he lost to Silva in PRIDE he was younger and more emotional in general, but he also seemed more affected by the loss.

I don’t think it’s as simple as he leg was hurt. He was still connecting well into the fifth round with hard shots.

by Luke Thomas on Jul 6, 2008 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

O.K.

then he took his chin away

by btsmith on Jul 6, 2008 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rampage said he was trying to hide just how hurt his knee was during the post fight presser. To say he was uninspired in that first round is just crazy talk, IMO.

The anatomy of a power punch: 1. You plant your lead foot. 2. You rotate your hips towards the punch. 3. you throw your hands. Take away that plant, power goes down—National Geographic channel did a whole episode on fight science.

Yes, he was connecting well. But he wasnt connecting with the same explosive power we’re used to seeing from Rampage. I seem to recall Forrest getting hit with some shots late in the fight. But minus that plant leg, it wasnt going to knock him out. Take away knock out power from Rampage and you have an average MMA fighter.

BTW: Great show the other day. Good luck and keep on keeping on! ;)

by HoustonRaven on Jul 6, 2008 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

While the lead foot is planted, its the push from the rear foot that generates the power. The lead foot provides more stability. What’s more important for the lead foot is the able to shoot in since its the lead foot that takes the penetration step and has to drive after the level change or knee pound.

His first round performance may have been ok, but the performance overall was not one of drive. But I’d also say while he was able to connect with a nice uppercut, one landed strike doesn’t transform a mediocre performance. Gonzaga vs. Jordan is another fight where that’s true.

If people think this is typical behavior of a champion who has just been dethroned or Rampage Jackson in general, then they don’t know Rampage Jackson. He is atypically accepting here.

Thanks very much for the kind words about the radio show. Keep on listening!

by Luke Thomas on Jul 6, 2008 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's all in Rd 2

As a big Cro Cop (Pride version) fan, I do feel like I was watching the same kind of mental defeat. It’s hard to describe, but I’m glad you made an effort, Luke.

When Quinton’s leg went out, early in the 2nd, I feel like I was watching his will to win vanishing before my eyes. The fact that he never tried to get Forrest off of him, said to me that he was giving up and wanted out of there, at least for the break between rounds to collect himself. But the lousy GNP gave him another shot.

The rest of the fight, I was trying to figure how he would muster some offense while looking like a sitting duck. Rampage probably wondered the same thing. But, he found his confidence slowly and got back into that fight, at least to a degree. From my point of view, Rampage won that fight just because he mounted a comeback while Forrest failed to close the deal. I’m hoping for an immediate rematch and a Quinton who “rampages” (although, I do like Forrest against most any other fighter)

by Jaydoggydog on Jul 6, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was surprised

To say the least. I remember the Rampage who was upset about a victory over Ninja. I think we can all agree the old Rampage needed some calming down and trainers who could focus him, but I’m starting to fear that the pendulum has swung too far in the opposite direction. Granted it may be maturity, but I think he needs to recapture just a bit of that unconventional style and attitude from his Pride days. It’s like his killer instinct has disappeared. I’m not expecting him to throw a temper tantrum after a loss, but to seem so unaffected about losing the title was just shocking and almost depressing.

Also I want to echo the sentiments, great show on Saturday I was fist-pumping during the Barnett interview.

by Lyrias on Jul 6, 2008 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The killer instinct wasn’t missing against Liddell and Eastman…

by Mike Fagan on Jul 6, 2008 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rampage said he felt like he won the fight in the post fight interview with on ESPN…pointed out that he dropped Forrest…hit me with alot more power shots…and that Forrest did absolutely nothing to him on the ground during the 2nd round…was it me…or did Forrest run more than Lyoto Machida?

Kelvin Hunt

I'm like those boyz on the sidelines...cause I ain't playing...

by Tha Realness on Jul 6, 2008 6:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think he did some running in round three. But not as much as Machida.

by Popetastic on Jul 6, 2008 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It goes futher back than that

I noticed on TUF that Ramp was sure mellow on the show and didn’t show much interest in anything, except for that one blowup with Forrest. Forrest was at least staying in shape working out with the fighters and on the tred mill. Doesn’t anyone remember Ramp sleeping on that punching bag? My mind was set there, Griffin all the way.

by btsmith on Jul 6, 2008 6:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Whatever the reasons for his loss are I don’t think they have anything to do with his attitude after the fight. He just knows when he’s lost (even if it’s just in opinion of the judges) and he has the strength of character to accept it. After taking the split decision against Murilo Rua he apologized to Ninja because he didn’t think he deserved the win.

Also, “nonplussed” means bewildered or confused, not content. Sorry to be a dick about words but I’d want someone to tell me!

by Gza on Jul 6, 2008 6:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Once again, I can only comment on what i’ve read about the fight, because I didnt actually see it. What do you want from the guy? He lost, and he knows it. Did you want him to throw a fit? Talk trash about Forrest? Curse out the judges and claim that the fight was fixed? Then we’d be talking about what a sore loser and a bad person Rampage was. We don’t know what happened when Rampage got home; he may have broken down and cried, or smased every mirror in his home. Rampage, from all accounts, was professional and humble in his defeat. He lost. Now we’re going to harp on him for not being a baby about it? We’re going to say he wasn’t motivated for the fight? Give the guy a break. This just shows how fickle sports fans are, particularly MMA fans. I just wonder what people are going to say about Forrest if – make that WHEN, he loses the title….

by Cmad77 on Jul 6, 2008 7:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is so wildly off the mark from what I’m asserting I don’t even know how to respond.

by Luke Thomas on Jul 6, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wanted Rampage to win too, but look… strategy beat brawling.

People said all along that the only way Forrest could win was on points, and he did. And I have NO idea how anyone could say that the second round wasn’t 10-8… Two minutes of Forrest treating Rampage like a kayak.

by mythbuster on Jul 6, 2008 7:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately, I haven’t seen the fight yet, either. It seems like a lot of people feel that Rampage’s performance was flat. He may have been taken out of his rhythm in regards to training with the long layoff and having to participate in TUF. I also seem to remember him mentioning that he was trying out for a movie role when he was on Jimmy Kimmel. Athletes, especially fighters, are often negatively affected by outside projects.

I’m just putting that out there. I don’t know if it’s at all applicable. Both Rampage and Forrest seem to be good guys. They’re both good for the sport in my book, and I’m glad they put on a good fight, controversy aside.

by Cannon Jacques on Jul 6, 2008 7:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Page is kicking himself in the ass. I am positive he did not train 100% and he Juanito and his team totaly over looked forest in this fight ,Juanito and Rampage can say whatever they want they thought this fight would be a cake walk and a easy W in the books for Rampage. Even though I thought Rampage Won the fight he did not look like the same fighter that fought Dan Henderson and Chuck.To think about it Juanito leading up to the Forest fight was talking about who he thought would get a shot after the Forest fight at the belt and he said on Beatdown radio that he was scouting Machida becasue he thought he would be next. He has said many times how Rampage wanted to fight Wand again after this fight was over,to avenge the 2 losses. You should never think like that going into a fight .Rampage was not 100% ready for this fight and it showed he had about 50% of the cardio he had in the Henderson fight and thats on him and his trainer Juanito and his team, Shit leadinig up to the fight on the ultimate fighter every one who saw pics of him could not belive he let himself get so out of shape like he did. I really think he just over looked Forest and is now pissed for doing so ?

by Shocbomb on Jul 6, 2008 7:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just watched the post fight presser and...

What are you talking about?

He said he under-estimated Forrest, he said the kick took a lot out of him and he said he thought he still should have won based on points. Where you expecting a a temper tantrum?

One of the things that I think people like about Rampage is his ‘get along’ attitude. He does his best and doesn’t get bent out of shape from things outside his influence. I think he handles it maturely—‘Hey, it sucks but it happens. I’m not done, I’ll be back’.

In short—relax! :)

by mythbuster on Jul 6, 2008 11:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Easy on Rampage.

I didn’t read all that into Rampage’s behavior. I saw it like this…

Rampage is well known to be a really good guy. I’ve worked with he and Juanito Ibarra on two past MMA promotions and have been impressed at how down to earth and cool he is. He’s not the guy walking into the ring howling with the chain around his neck. That’s showbiz. He actually downplays his life as a fighter and doesn’t buy into all the hype. It’s not B.S. that he’s a devout Christian and family man. It’s legit.

I personally think he was very dissappointed by the decision. I also think that he has a ton of respect for Forest and pretty much all of his opponents. So I see his lackluster response as simply being a humble guy with integrity who didn’t want to sour the evening by acting like most of the other dumb ass young athletes today who need it to be all about themselves, all the time.

I for one, think that the minute he got into his locker room (sore leg or not), he was probably dropping f-bombs, pissed because he felt he had rightfully won, completely pissed for not winning that decision and for allowing himself to put it in the judges hands in the first place. Yet, to his credit, he didn’t take that route in the middle of the Octagon, but carried himself with some friggen dignity and integrity.

For God’s sake, should he have started ranting and raving that “he’s the man” and that he was robbed and that he’s coming back to get Forest and show the world he’s the man???? Come on Luke! You’re drinking today’s kool aide, served up to you by self-serving and pathetic assholes like Floyd Mayweather, Terrell Owens, Chad Johnson and on and on and on.

In my book, you have to kick the champ’s ass, outright to take a belt. That wasn’t the case at all. Quinton knocked the crap out of Griffin in the first with the upper cut. He opened a massive gash over Griffin’s right eye by the fourth. He scored two legit and clean takedowns. He landed far more truly effective power shots. He was excellent in checking the majority of Griffin’s attempts (aside from the kicks in rounds one and two) And by the way, he stood upright, bearing the 205 lb weight of Griffin and body slammed him, WHILE IN A TRIANGLE attempt!

The UFC got it’s Ultimate Fighter poster boy his belt. Even if it came in the most debatable manner. It’s no secret that the UFC has under-promoted Rampage since he arrived. After all, he is originally a PRIDE mega-star and Forrest is Dana White’s UFC prodigy of heart and guts (and I do love Griffin by the way). Lidell has been promoted over and above Rampage even after Quinton K.O.d his ass and even after a successful, albeit boring title defense against Dan Henderson. Dana White’s a control freak, and with Joe Rogan gushing over Forest before the fight began and throughout, I can’t help but have a real bad feeling about last night’s decision.

by The Italian on Jul 7, 2008 1:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Damn. You should head on back to Sherdog. You are stinking this place up. Jackson admitted Forrest beat him. Why can’t you? And being a coach of TUF is a huge amount of marketing. Its just Jacksons jokes and charisma came off as flat on the show as much as he came out flat footed against Forrest. Deal with it and move on.

by MrNiceGuyMMA on Jul 7, 2008 4:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, I thought Rampage thought he’d won initially, and afterwards gave Forrest full credit for the decision.

by asa on Jul 7, 2008 5:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess no one is dealing with it and moving on becasue it looks like a rematch is a Go from all reports !!!

by Shocbomb on Jul 7, 2008 6:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When Jackson watches it back, he’ll realize Forrest out-scored him.

by pud333 on Jul 7, 2008 4:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You had me until the "beat the champ" nonsense.

Seriously dude, you got to know when the show is over and leave on a good note.

by mythbuster on Jul 7, 2008 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As it’s been said many times, it’s not the best fighter that wins, it’s the fighter that fights the best that night that wins. And Forrest was clearly fighting a better fight. Despite all the numbers, I always felt Forrest had that intangible “something” that can’t really be quantified on a stats sheet. Right now, Forrest is just in the zone, and it’s really good to see such a good guy, a hard working guy, make it to the top. Rampage did fight a bit flat footed; he certainly wasn’t as explosive as he’d been in the past. But that doesn’t take anything away from Forrest’s win. Rampage is probably a bit down on himself right now, which is reasonable. But he’ll be back, and Jesus, there’s still plenty of awesome fights in the future for the LHW division.

by pud333 on Jul 7, 2008 3:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Can we stop using Rampage admitting defeat as some kind of arguing point? He said right in the post press conference he thinks he won the fight. He was just being gracious out there.

by Michael Rome on Jul 7, 2008 4:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you are 100% right how many fighters say one thing 30 seconds after a fight then another a day later, please Dan Henderson admitted that Page beat hiim then a week later was saying that decision was Bull shit, its the same thing that happens with 9/10 fights that go to a close decision.

by Shocbomb on Jul 7, 2008 6:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Agree

In past fights, Rampage always emotion, killer instinct, and that I’m gonna whup your ass look. Don’t know where it went this past fight. There was no vintage Rampage staredown, too.

by sure win on Jul 7, 2008 5:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Rampage came out with that killer instinct and had it taken away after those leg kicks. I also agree with those that say that they overlooked Forrest. Either way he will get a rematch soon and show if it was a fluke or not.

I actually like the way Rampage approached the post fight interview, he had me and everyone watching the fights laughing. He understands it wasnt up to him after the final bell.

by mmastation on Jul 7, 2008 11:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He knows karma got his ass this time. Nothing he should say as a man. It wasn’t supposed to go five, much less let Forrest beat him. He’s smart just to shut up and take his lumps. In fact he’s lucky he ‘doesn’t lose his whole purse and his trainers didn’t retire.’ Since they both made the prespective bet.

by Tommy7 on Jul 7, 2008 1:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rampage

I think what happened is that Rampage did indeed underestimate Forrest. A mistake to many fighters in ufc make. You can not count out the heart that guy has. Plus he has the skills to match it. He may not be a knockout king or a submission specialists, but he is good and knows how to follow the game plan , execute and leave with the w

by houstonmma on Jul 7, 2008 9:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Conspiracy

Maybe there’s a conspiracy here…

Maybe Rampage wasn’t upset because he was paid to throw the fight.

Or maybe just losing the only belt he’s ever held hurt so bad he couldn’t put it into words or emotion.

by MGMMMA on Jul 8, 2008 5:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Or perhaps he thought he won and was stunned by the decision, so he hadn’t had a chance to process it yet.

by Richard Wade on Jul 8, 2008 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Either way, it has to be gut wrenching and I personally thought he took it like a man. I was more upset for him than he was. He didn’t say he was injured like a lot of fighters do these days and he didn’t cry like a girl at the end of it like another fighter had done…

by MGMMMA on Jul 8, 2008 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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