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Josh Barnett Will Not Accept a Pay Cut

Dave Meltzer reported that Tom Attencio will allegedly ask fighters to take a 50% pay cut to work the Las Vegas show in October.  Zach Arnold interviewed Josh Barnett, and reports on his reply here:

Barnett replied by saying that he was not going to take a pay cut to fight.

In addition, when asked about whether or not he’ll fight Fedor, Mr. Barnett said that it’s not up to him as far as whether or not the fight gets booked. He wants to fight Fedor, but can’t worry about the politics surrounding why the fight hasn’t been booked.

I think everyone knew those salaries were unsustainable.  While I'm very excited for the second Affliction show, I am tempering my excitement because Fedor's name has been removed from the Thomas and Mack Center's Affliction page, and we still don't really know if he's been signed to anything.  I highly doubt Fedor's team will accept a pay cut.

Note:  Fedor's name was on that page at one time, and now it's gone.  That absolutely does not mean he is off the show, it's just something that was pointed out to me.

Update:  Here is Dave's report on the cut.  It sounds like they will only be asking certain guys to take cuts:

The promotion has talked with some fighters about doing the 10/11 show for 50% of what they made on the first show (cutting down the payroll) but in return they would give those fighters easy opponents.

 

 

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50% paycuts?? Talk about mixed signals.. Think Tito will bite on that?

by Blackout612 on Jul 31, 2008 8:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

DAM the Nails are going into the Coffin faster then I thought, Come on Tom you can pull off another 2 or 3 good shows before you Sink ?

by Shocbomb on Jul 31, 2008 8:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rome, would it be a stretch to that Afflction will not put on a second show?

by The Bronzeville Bully on Jul 31, 2008 8:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lololol

Where’s the Dana hate folks!

Imagine if Dana would of went to his fighters and said take a 50% pay cut.

when zuffa was in the hole not once did the fertitas and dana bounce a check.

It sounds like the purse strings have been pulled and tom is trying his ass off to put on another show before the money really gets pulled out.

The problem for fighters if they take a paycut and the company still folds they are out the big pay day and still on bad terms with zuffa.

If any fighter accepts a paycut they are stupid.

by mmalogic on Jul 31, 2008 8:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

fighters shouldnt take a paycut

These fighters can retire on this money… they tool a huge risk in severing relations with zuffa so they should get paid what they were promised.

I knew this would happen.

See if you understand funding it works in stages and each stage has a milestone.

its clear they clearly didnt make their first milestone so second stage of funding is at risk.

At this moment i believe tom is negotiating on 2 fronts… first with the backers to get them hang on for one more show and second with the fighters to get them to agree to lower pay so he can go back to the financiers with an olive branch.

“we got momentum please one more show”

why do you think the second show was so quick? he wanted to make commitments with venues, setup etc as fast as possible so it would be too late for the funders to look up and say “shit we just lost 4 million bucks”.

My guess is they have done that midway and now hell may break loose on all fronts.

fighters angry about not getting paid. funders pissed off at the idiotic business moves, etc…

1% chance they have a third show.

15% chance they have a second show.

by mmalogic on Jul 31, 2008 8:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Such a dangerous..

precedent was set by the first Affliction show. It sounds like a lot of UFC fighters are upset at the pay they’re receiving and they were shown all these big paydays on the flashy first Affliction show…and now they’re showing that they can’t keep the pay rate up. So they set a tone that no one can deliver on consistently but that every fighter is going to want.

I love how Affliction acting as if they wanted to improve the sport may have just damaged things in the long run.

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

"The reason a lot of people do not recognize opportunity is because it usually goes around wearing overalls and looking like hard work." -- Thomas Edison

by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 31, 2008 8:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I suspect when fighters point to Affliction 1, the UFC will point to 50% pay cuts.

by Richard Wade on Jul 31, 2008 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Atencio is a joke.

http://tharealness.wordpress.com/

by Tha Realness on Jul 31, 2008 8:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hate to say this, because I really think he wants to do well for himself and for the fans, but i am getting kind of sick of his BS as well.

It is obvious he is a fan, as well as a “promoter”, but I just think he was a tad bit over zealous with their first card.

"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"

by BJJDenver on Jul 31, 2008 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They could cut the salaries in half, and some of the guys would still be overpaid.

I don’t want Affliction or any other promotion to fail, but I hope this shuts up some of the anti-UFC talk on the internet.

As for the fighters, they should consider taking some sort of cut with different compensation added. The bad thing is, Dream is apparently in trouble as well.

The problem i see, is you have one monster dominating the market in UFC/WEC. Then you have a bunch of smaller or upstart promotions trying to compete. IMO, these guys have to get together and start co-promoting. And I don’t mean having M1 fighter Fedor on your card, I’m talking about completely splitting the costs and so forth or merging to make a bigger promotion.

"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"

by BJJDenver on Jul 31, 2008 8:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I want to know more about this Meltzer report. It said he approached all the fighters with this proposal?

by smoogy on Jul 31, 2008 8:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wfa anyone?

wfa anyone?

like I always say my BE brothers…

“paying fighters well is not what’s good for the sport”

“paying fighters well and making a profit is what’s good for the sport”.

it’s all about the bottom line.

As a fan I applaud the UFC for protecting their bottom line because that’s what guarantee’s we will have a show to look forward to.

The myth of the UFC explained:

“UFC is only successful because they got lucky with TV”

Didn’t ifl have network tv weekly?
Didn’t bodog have weekly tv?
Doesn’t exc have showtime and cbs?

“No I mean UFC is only successful because they put 40 million dollars into it”

Didnt bodog lose 45m plus?
Didnt IFL lose 50m plus?
Isnt Elite XC in the whole 30m plus?

“wait a second, now I know UFC was only successful because, um… well.. So you’re telling me the real reason the UFC is so successful is because they know what they are doing, they do a good job at it and they capitalize on opportunity real well?”

Yes young grasshopper… NOW YOU KNOW.

PS. someone make a gif of huerta OWNED

by mmalogic on Jul 31, 2008 8:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Atencio really got himself into a tough position. No proven, veteran fighter is going to gladly accept a pay cut. The revenue that a promotion generates from a given event isn’t mostly profit. I think, if Affliction didn’t realize how tight the margins were before their inaugural event, they starting to now. I wish Atencio and company had taken a more measured approach.

by Cannon Jacques on Jul 31, 2008 9:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why did they pay such stupid salaries in the first place?

Most of those fighters would have fought for 70% or less of what they were paid.

by idefinecagefighter on Jul 31, 2008 9:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe not. Affliction had to make it worth severing ties with Zuffa.

by Richard Wade on Jul 31, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

1 show to go...

There’s a report form a dream exec that says dream has 1 show and it could be done if they don’t break a 10 rating.

We all pretty much know EXC has 1 show left to pull something out of their ass.

And it looks like if affliction has a second show it more than likely will be their last.

With this money you could have created a farm league circuit.

The only opening I see in MMA for one to capitalize on is a farm league circuit (minor league).

I see leverage points in being a manager/local show promoter and feeding the ufc with talent.

This would have a substantial exit strategy if set up properly.

The other being an all womans league which you would have to temper expectations… think nba vs wnba. not as big decent money and there is a market for it.

Zuffa needs to get rid of 155 from ufc and make wec 155, 145, 135 and 125 and they also need to add female fighters to wec.

eventually get to weekly fight nights (to display new talent as well as hype new contentors to get more ppv buys ala anderson silva) and then with a new type of reality show which airs right after.

The new show should be a 24/7 style documentary from begining to end (multi episode from contracts signed to weigh ins) on next ppv event. the show should feature Dana putting the card together and all the drama as well as the main event and co-main event fighters.

there families, what it would mean to them to win, etc…

this strategy combo would disolve the need for tuf and keeping champions out of defending their belts from months at a time.

This tv strategy would be an unstoppable machine. (by the way you do this on boths networks ufc and wec).

It’s time to stop playing games and bury everyone of these posers. (but alas i think life would be boring and this soap opera that keeps us tuned in to see “what if” this one makes it)

by mmalogic on Jul 31, 2008 9:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

155 is perhaps the UFC’s most dynamic weight class. Eliminating it would be a mistake, I have to imagine. I see no problem with the minimal overlap of weight classes between Zuffa’s two organizations. Also, adding female fighters will just dilute the quality of their product.

by Richard Wade on Jul 31, 2008 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tom put all this shit on him self buy paying these fighters these crazy ass Sums of Money.If any thing like a poster said above he wanted to help the sport but buy over paying for fighters like this he might of just hurt it more in the end ? I mean come on 300,000 for Matt Lindland get real you probably coould of signed him for 1/6 the price and that still would of been a nice pay day for Matt $50,000 and $20,000 to Win. You could of pais the fighters a nice amount but come on what you paid them was just stupid and absurd.No wonder why every person who knows business and investing said Affliction had no chance what so ever making it in the world of MMA. .

by Shocbomb on Jul 31, 2008 9:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well the only fighters that are worth the money that Affliction is giving them is Barnett, Fedor, and Arlovski.
Those guys can draw. Affliction fucking doomed themselves. Non-Exclusive Contracts and now asking a lot of their fighters to take 50% cuts…. Just screams a mass excursion.

You think Babalu wasn’t bumming real hard when he got cut from the UFC and had to test the waters of the Indie Circuit to only find out the cards been cancelled?

You can call it a monopoly. But the UFC is the most stable promotion in MMA. They put on 12 PPVs a year, over 5 Fight Nights a year, and 2 TUF Finales a year. You want to fight and fight consistently, The UFC IS THE SHOW.

by MatteoFC on Jul 31, 2008 9:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

50% the money and none of the match-up?

Half the money, half the match? Yeah that’s a solution. Way to go starting them on the moon and giving pay cuts the very next show. Way to inspire and motivate.

by Tommy7 on Jul 31, 2008 10:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If they just would have started them all (except Fedor) at half and after the show gave them all 50,000 bonus, everyone would have been happy. They would have been in a new, strong promotion and got an unexpected bonus. It would have had the fighters smiling for the good things to come. Instead they cut their pay in half. You expect one amount and get a bonus it’s positive reinforcement to your commentment.. Tom starts at one price and after just one fight tries to cut his fighters pay in half. Face it, that’s just a kick to the nuts. This guy is a real business mogul I tell you. The future of the sport is in his hands.

by Tommy7 on Aug 1, 2008 2:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Let’s see….half the pay but an easier matchup. Sounds like the prescription for a lot of the highly paid guys who lost (ie Sylvia). I mean, the word “some” is in there, you know?

by D.Capitated on Aug 1, 2008 8:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Affliction is dumb. Real Dumb

Rob Dib
http://www.break-your-face.com

by Rob Dib on Aug 1, 2008 8:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Easy Opponents?

Seriously? That’s completely ridiculous. Might as well just fix the fight. I find this so damn frustrating. I really want to see Affliction (or anybody, really) succeed, but it just doesn’t look like it’s going to happen.

by FRANKIE on Aug 1, 2008 10:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dangerous Precedent
but in return they would give those fighters easy opponents.

As Frankie points out, this is getting uncomfortably close to worked fights, PRIDE, etc. ....

by thetakeover on Aug 1, 2008 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention...

do they expect to raise buyrates on their shows by offering up massive mismatches?

Obviously the plan is 50% pay reductions + over matched opponent who they can get for cheap + hope they get enough of a live gate and enough PPV buys to turn a good profit = Throw a huge third show and run out of money.

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

"The reason a lot of people do not recognize opportunity is because it usually goes around wearing overalls and looking like hard work." -- Thomas Edison

by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 1, 2008 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The UFC gives guys opponents that they are far better than regularly. They do it with TUF guys all the time. I guess it could be news if someone in the UFC said Mir/Noguiera was a mismatch, but I have no idea why.

by D.Capitated on Aug 1, 2008 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The UFC does have mis-matches from time to time. But most of the time the UFC puts its top guys up against the best available competition and has a much better track record of pitting top guys against each other than any of the other promotions have done so far. And, more importantly, the UFC would never actually come out and ask a fighter to take a 50 percent pay cut in exchange for a “weaker” opponent and would absolutely never do it in a fashion that would become public.

by Kierkegaard on Aug 1, 2008 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You and I have different views of what the UFC might do. They are fight promoters, and as such, are as close to evil incarnate as anything on this earth, regardless of what romanticized views some may have of them. Depending on how the legalities go, Antonio Rodrigo Noguiera may be “interim” champion for a very long time, and he may be paid according to that status somewhere down the road depending on how things go.

As for the UFC having a better track record of pitting top guys against one another, I don’t think they’re appreciably ahead of what PRIDE had done or numerous smaller promotions given their talent base have been able to accomplish. Sure, we get Fitch/GSP and Marqhardt/Silva, and we also get Noguiera/Mir, Quarry/Franklin, Hughes/Riggs, Arlovski/Eilers, etc.

by D.Capitated on Aug 1, 2008 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All promotions give guys fights that are easier than others. If every fight was a tough one, the fighters’ careers would be cut very short.

That said, Affliction 1 was pretty easy matches, imo, so I’m not sure how much easier it could get and still draw fans.

"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"

by BJJDenver on Aug 1, 2008 5:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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