Bloody Elbow: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Sports blogs for fans, by fans.
Around SBN: Purdue wins Paradise Jam Tournament 73-72

Bloody Elbow July MMA Meta-Rankings: Middleweight

Fighter PointsPromotionLast Rank
1. Anderson Silva 475 UFC 1
2. Paulo Filho 446 WEC 2
3. Rich Franklin 432 UFC 3
4. Robbie Lawler 389 Elite XC
5
5.Yushin Okami 381 UFC 4
6. Dan Henderson 379 UFC 6
7. Nathan Marquardt 313 UFC 8
8. Matt Lindland 305 Affliction 7
9. Kazuo Misaki 285 WVR/Strikeforce 9
10. Frank Trigg 213 WVR 10
11. Gegard Mousasi 185 DREAM 13
12. Thales Leites 177 UFC 12
13.Yoshihiro Akiyama 158 DREAM 11
14. Patrick Cote 128 UFC 17
15. Michael Bisping 126 UFC 19
16. Martin Kampmann 122 UFC 18
17. Jason Miller 118 DREAM 14
18. Ronaldo Souza 110 DREAM 15
19. Jorge Santiago 109 WVR/Strikeforce 22
20. Joey Villasenor 75 EliteXC NR
21. Denis Kang 71
DREAM
21
22. Chael Sonnen 69 WEC NR
23. Chris Leben 68 UFC NR
23. Murilo Rua 68 EliteXC NR
25. Vitor Belfort 65 Affliction NR

Here are this month's middleweight Meta-rankings. As always keep in mind that these are not our opinion, rather a compilation of the rankings issued by leading MMA web sites.

Middleweight continues to be a somewhat muddled division, although it is very clear that Anderson Silva is the best at 185. So much so in fact that he makes the rest of the division look bad, particularly the rest of the UFC middleweights. Therefore, despite having 10 (12 with the WEC) of the top 25 middleweights in the world under contract, the UFC is faced with a serious drought of good matchups for Silva.

One of the problems has been the pattern the UFC fell into of rushing middleweights into title contention. The lack of depth in the weight class forced them to rush a succession of fighters into title shots -- Silva, Marquardt, Henderson, Lutter without having faced other serious contenders. Only Rich Franklin on his way to a rematch for his lost belt had to get past a serious contender -- Okami. IMO if Henderson or Marquardt had faced one another and/or Franklin before fighting for the belt, it would have made their title challenges to Silva more intriguing if equally futile.

Seemingly Yushin Okami, the #5 rated middleweight in the world and the last man to get a victory over Silva (albeit by DQ) would have been the best challenger. Unfortunately Okami broke his hand and now Silva will face Patrick Cote. Cote is ranked #14 but IMO he's puffed up due to having been on a very fast track to title contention. His recent wins have either been unimpressive (Almeida) or over weak competition (Grove, McFedries, Smith, Day). I do not believe at all that Cote could get past Henderson, Franklin, Marquardt, Leites, Bisping, Kampmann or even Maia or Palhares so its really uninteresting to see him get a title shot. 

The second problem in the division has been the scattering of the other top fighters to different promotions: Filho in WEC, Lawler in EliteXC, Lindland to Affliction, Misaki and Trigg to WVR, Akiyama, Mousasi, Souza in DREAM. With the exception of the DREAM fighters, none of the other promotions offer the level of competition worthy of a top 5 fighter. Sure it'll be fun to see Lindland vs Belfort but a win will propel neither fighter to the top.

Middleweight also is unique among weightclasses in that two of its biggest draws are not seen as top contenders -- Cung Le and Frank Shamrock. Perhaps both fighters are top 25 in ability, but they haven't faced the level of competition recently to prove it. It will be interesting to see how Strikeforce uses Misaki. I'd love to see the Grabaka hitman against Shamrock or Le, but I expect they'll want to let Misaki get a win or two under his belt first. Would also be interesting to see Shamrock vs Lawler for the EliteXC belt, that's a fight Shamrock could win IMO. But I expect Shamrock to face Rua or Villasenor first while Lawler heals his split open head. No word on Shamrock's recovery time from the broken arm and I can't believe he'll fight wearing braces.

 

Star-divide

Based on the premise that opinions are like assholes, everybody has one and they all stink, instead of putting up our own subjective fighter rankings, we compile and average the rankings of every source we could find online.

The goal is to show how the MMA community rates the fighters, not to bore you with our opinions.

Be sure and look at the points, they're a much more telling number than the ranking. There's clearly a huge gulf between the top 9 fighters and those that follow.

A total of 40 fighters were ranked in the top 25 by one source or another. For reasons of sanity I only track the top 25 most highly rated fighters.

25 points are awarded for a first place ranking, 16 for a 10th place ranking, 1 for a 25th place ranking. A formula is used to "normalize" the data so all fighters are awarded points from those lists that do not include a full 25 fighters. Each site consulted awards a total of 325 points. Fuller explanation below.

Rankings were compiled from the following sites: TAGG Radio, MMA NewsSherdogCage PotatoMMA On TapFive Ounces of Pain, Houston Chronicle's Brawl SportsWAMMAMMA FightingMMA-ELOFCFighter411 ManiaMMA MadnessFFightMatrixMMA PlaygroundHDNet/Inside MMAMMAVT (Japan), and Total MMA. Figure 4 Online hadn't updated their rankings when I did the math on these, I'll include them when I do the lightweights.

The normalization scheme as explained by JCS of FightMatrix  is here:

The “normalization number” (new name) would be:

120
divided by
(Total Fighters Found in Any List minus 10)

Every fighter found somewhere else, but on a Top 10 list would be assigned this number.

The “normalization” number would not apply to a fighter not found on a Top 25 list. They would simply get 0.

So the process would be:

Do all of the Top 25 lists first, #1 = 25, #2 = 24…. #24 = 2, #25 = 1
Do all of the Top 10 lists, same scoring structure.. stops at #10 = 16

Figure out that normalization variable.

Fill in the normalization variable to all fighters not found in the Top 10 lists, but found elsewhere.

Do your totals and rank.

1 recs  |  Comment 26 comments

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

Not sure how Paulo continues to be rank so high across the board. I think he would likely lose to Franklin, Henderson and Okami.

by Popetastic on Jul 31, 2008 11:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

being undefeated goes a long way

plus he was winning in PRIDE which at the time was seen as far and away the best division. Even though he never faced Henderson, Bustamante or Kang, he did sub out Misaki and beat Rua.
His last performance was dreadful and I expect that Sonnen could beat him if Chael can resist fighting stupid.
The guys you name plus Lindland could crush him IMO.

by Kid Nate on Jul 31, 2008 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont know...

that 2008 Matt Lindland is crushing anybody. But the point remains that Paulo is highly overrated.

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

"The reason a lot of people do not recognize opportunity is because it usually goes around wearing overalls and looking like hard work." -- Thomas Edison

by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 31, 2008 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lindland has definitely seen better days but I always thought he was overrated.

by zeroword on Jul 31, 2008 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I expect that Sonnen could beat him if Chael can resist fighting stupid.

I agree, but am almost certain that Sonnen will eventually take the fight to the ground and lose (i.e. fight stupid).

I think Lawler is also too high on that list as well, I don’t think he could beat Okami, Hendo, Marquardt, or Lindland.

by Estrada on Jul 31, 2008 12:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Lawler's wins over

Trigg and Rua really raised him in people’s eyes. Trigg was riding high after crushing Mayhem and Misaki.
Clearly there’s a pattern whereby beating an overrated fighter, or two, is a great way to become overrated yourself.

by Kid Nate on Jul 31, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was going to make a comment about Chael fighting stupid because he’s a Republican, but it’s too easy.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Jul 31, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But, you know, true. :-)

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Aug 1, 2008 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can’t believe Frank Trigg is so high.

by lovingmma25 on Jul 31, 2008 12:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that stuck out to me too. his nickname should cause him to be deducted 100 points.

by monkeyfightclub! on Jul 31, 2008 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it is that he keeps his name...

out there all the time. There is never a moment where you wonder “what is Trigg up to?” And being visible can get you ranked a bit higher than you deserve.

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

"The reason a lot of people do not recognize opportunity is because it usually goes around wearing overalls and looking like hard work." -- Thomas Edison

by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 31, 2008 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

because he stole the name from me. Sorta like how Buddy Landell stole his nickname from Ric Flair.

by monkeyfightclub! on Jul 31, 2008 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you had to look at that face in the mirror every day, you’d get high too.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Jul 31, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It sure doesn’t seem like Zuffa has THAT many top MW’s….but then again…A. Silva is just THAT good.

http://tharealness.wordpress.com/

by Tha Realness on Jul 31, 2008 1:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

185 is a mess outside of #1.

there are several guys you could put on there, several you could take off and a bunch you could easily switch around.

I expect Jacare to move up soon.

"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"

by BJJDenver on Jul 31, 2008 1:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There should really be a separate list for Anderson Silva. Just him by himself.

Rob Dib
http://www.break-your-face.com

by Rob Dib on Jul 31, 2008 2:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Another set of middleweight meta-rankings, another chance to say, “Lawler? The UFC washout? WHAT?!”

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Jul 31, 2008 3:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Where's Cung Le?

I was personally surprised not to see Cung Le on this chart. According to the way you guys did rankings the other day he should be near the top. He does deserve to 25. If Frank would have beat him, he’d be here.

by Tommy7 on Jul 31, 2008 6:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Take that up with the people who publish top 10/25 lists, I guess.

by Richard Wade on Jul 31, 2008 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

clarifications

1) Fightlines are not rankings. They a visual presentation of the various fight outcomes that have occurred among the fighters making the meta-rankings in any given division. They are based on fight outcomes.
2) Meta-rankings are not rankings, they are a compilation of rankings. We just collect the data and report on how the MMA community is rating the fighters.
3) Cung Le hasn’t fought anyone else on the top 25 lists. Frank Shamrock was a no doubt #1 fighter for a few years back in the 1990s but that was long ago. Cung will have to fight and beat some serious ranked fighters to make it on many lists.

by Kid Nate on Aug 1, 2008 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

im having trouble picturing Lawler beating Henderson. but I know Lawler is active and winning and Henderson hasnt won in a while so I guess its tough for people to rate Hendo higher right now.

by negaduck on Jul 31, 2008 6:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In the last three years...

Matt Lindland and Michael Bisping have not fought a top 25 fighter.

Anderson Silva is 5-1 against top 25 fighters.
Paulo Filho is 3-0.
Robbie Lawler is 3-1.
Gegard Mousasi, Yoshihiro Akiyama, Martin Kampmann and Ronaldo Souza are 1-0.
Frank Trigg and Chris Leben are 2-1.
Dan Henderson is 2-2.
Yushin Okami and Thales Leites are 1-1.
Kazuo Misaki is 2-3.
Rich Franklin, Jason Miller and Joey Villasenor are 1-2.
Patrick Cote, Chael Sonnen and Vitor Belfort are 0-1.
Denis Kang and Murilo Rua are 1-3.
Nathan Marquardt and Jorge Santiago are 0-2.

by Richard Wade on Aug 1, 2008 7:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Proving yet again: A.Silva rocks your boxers.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Aug 1, 2008 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

"All men are frauds. The only difference between them is that some admit it. I myself deny it." -- H.L. Mencken
Start posting on Bloody Elbow »

Join SB Nation and dive into communities focused on all your favorite teams.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Weoweoweodotdeviantartdotcom_by_weoweoweo_small
TUF 10 Contestant, Darrill Schoonover to Return to Active Army Duty
Tracy_lee_martin_mcneil_small
UPDATE: It's (99%) on: Machida / Rua II on May 1st
Headkick-lg_small
Judging Change: Reward Flashy Fighters?
Small
The REAL Controversy at UFC 106
Mirkneebaraim640_small
Georges St Pierre vs. Dan Hardy to Headline UFC 109 in February?

Recent FanPosts

Weoweoweodotdeviantartdotcom_by_weoweoweo_small
Ben Saunders Still Wants a Rematch Against Mike Swick (UPDATE)
Picture_010_small
What if: Dan Gable would have been a fighter?
Neil_lomax_small
UFC vs. Boxing PPV dilemma (May 1, 2010 edition)
Weoweoweodotdeviantartdotcom_by_weoweoweo_small
Dan Hardy: "Josh Koscheck Is Like A Piece of S*** That Just Won't Flush."
Picture_010_small
What if Kimbo beats Houston Alexander?
Just_tiger_small
Kim Couture (10K) top earner at Strikeforce Challengers V
Just_tiger_small
Josh Burkman KO's Brandon Melendez at Throwdown Showdown V

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

MMA Rankings

USA Today / SB Nation Consensus MMA Rankings