Cotto vs. Margarito and Incompetence Helped to Hurt EliteXC's Stockton Efforts
It wasn't just the lack of Kimbo Slice or Gina Carano that accounted for the 40% drop in ratings from the first EliteXC event to the second. There were other factors at play that aren't getting enough coverage. Jordan Breen opines:
Even if the impetus for slapping the July card together was advertisers, who didn't want to wait until October to cash in on their investment, promotion for the event itself was weak. Google trends, search tags and all the online detectors of pre-event heat were lacking. I talked to some fans and journalists from all over, trying to get a sense of the overall push for the event had been like in their area. While some major market dwellers in New York and Los Angeles said they had been hit with commercials, billboards and the like, those outside of the US's major metropolises had seen virtually nothing, although a few fans told me that they had seen a curious amount of commercials during the Price is Right. Unfortunately for CBS and EliteXC, people outside NYC and LA have television sets (a lot of them, in fact), and the sorts who dote on Bob Barker and Drew Carey are not a demographic priority.
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And even though we're amidst a vacancy of popular stick and ball sports, boxing doesn't have a season. However, because major fights are generally spread out, that should not be a difficult obstacle to bypass. Still, CBS and Pro Elite put this card head-to-head with the biggest boxing bout of the year, with Antonio Margarito and Miguel Cotto meeting in a classic Mexico vs. Puerto Rico clash.
Even though their product was free, general combat sports fans and probably some more MMA-preferrable fans were willing to pony up 50 bones for what turned out to be an absolute classic boxing fight. Furthermore, bars know what sells, and it's certainly not programming content that people could sit on their couch and watch for free.
Worse yet, while the Mexican and Puerto Rican anthems were belted out while the live east coast telecast of “Saturday Night Fights” went off the air, EliteXC started up on the west coast (see: major boxing hotbed and where the Mexican Margarito supporters are) amidst Margarito and Cotto already smashing one another, meaning pacific time viewers had already left to their favorite watering hole, or would've sooner died than changed their channel at home. EliteXC will never be able to escape the fact that Spike TV and Zuffa can do damage to their product at the drop of the hat with marathon replays of “Ultimate Knockouts” compilations. However, with no other summer boxing blockbusters in sight, CBS and EliteXC just had to go head-to-head with an instant pantheon-level prizefight?
I also agree with Breen that the current ratings aren't ringing the death knell for EliteXC. The truth of the matter is that CBS and ProElite did make good on their promise to simplify, improve and make more efficient this event's broadcast. On that level, it was a massive improvement. If they can carry that professionalism over to October's show - one where presumably more advertising and star power will draw more viewers - then EliteXC has a real shot at redemption.
But for now, let's not forget that there are simple explanations for this show's mediocre pull that aren't isolated to what went on in the cage in Stockton on Saturday.
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The tape delay
on the west coast definately didnt help. I live about 30 min. away from stockton, and at the same time the EXC show started so did the Margarito/Cotto fight. I was planning on running back & forth between rooms to catch both, but after the Margarito/Cotto fight started i couldn’t leave. What a great fight.
by asmiley420 on Jul 28, 2008 11:13 AM EDT 0 recs
Off topic.
here’s an update about Rampage’s condition. Interesting stuff..http://www.mmanews.com/ufc/Quinton-Jackson-May-Believe-He-Is-God-Himself.html
by asmiley420 on Jul 28, 2008 11:14 AM EDT 0 recs
Yeah
Without any more corroboration of that story, I’m not buying it.
by Luke Thomas on
Jul 28, 2008 11:24 AM EDT
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They
have the same thing posted up at fightline.com. But it’s also quoting the cage potatoe source.
by asmiley420 on Jul 28, 2008 12:00 PM EDT 0 recs
And it’s also from a story they posted almost two weeks ago.
p.s. I like how MMANews uses the Dan Quayle spelling.
by Popetastic on
Jul 28, 2008 12:47 PM EDT
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Gina
Gina is going to be the only reason to watch Elite soon. Once Kimbo loses the love for him will dwindle. Then they should just promote female MMA because that’s all they will have.
Rob Dib
http://break-your-face.com
by Rob Dib on Jul 28, 2008 12:28 PM EDT 0 recs
The boxing fan in you are overestimating boxing's effect...
Boxing and MMA fans cross-over is probably very small. Boxing fans who also watches MMA are small. Even then, that number would be too small to make a 40% drop. If there is a correlation, there would be a 2 million PPV buy uptick for the boxing match. The boxing correlation is off the mark.
The no-name fights, west coast tape delays, as well as Spike’s UFC 84 is more likely the culprit.
by cyph on Jul 28, 2008 12:40 PM EDT 0 recs
It's not the same fans I'm overly worried about
It’s the amount of attention the Cotto vs. Margarito fight garnered among the sporting news outlets that is much more the issue.
by Luke Thomas on
Jul 28, 2008 12:50 PM EDT
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Luke
do you think the Cotto/Margarito fight was the Best BOXING Match so far this year?
by asmiley420 on Jul 28, 2008 12:42 PM EDT 0 recs
only one factor at play here...
there is only one factor at play here and that is EXC.
How come no one is mentioning the fact that EXC was never a ratings hit. Look at the numbers from showtime they were horid.
The only exception was the may 31st show and that had alot to do with the novelty of the whole thing.
fool espn, si and sports producers once they aint falling for a circus again – so forget mainstream coverage. they all looked like fools not doing their homework before hyping kimbo and the retaliation will not be pretty.
it takes a whole lot to make 1.5m viewers change the channel (the average for saturday night is above 4m and exc only did 2.6m)
thereĀ“s the untold story… a show that made 1.5m viewers change the channel.
The last thing is they signed a stupid deal with CBS… with every show they give away a piece of the company. Would you be motivated to succeed knowing you may be next to go or lose power?
by mmalogic on Jul 28, 2008 12:59 PM EDT 0 recs
EXCBS-1 had the NCAA basketball tourney to advertise in, directly the key demographic of young males. They had Kimbo and Gina, who even casual fans are aware of.
EXCBS-2 had no marketing advantage, is in the middle of summer, had to contend with the boxing match (which I think you are giving to much credit to), had to contend with blockbuster movie season and had no gimmick fighters to draw on (in casual fans eyes).
This show had better fights, better fighters and perhaps the best announcing in mma. They cut back on the ridiculousness and had a much more professional presentation. Their biggest mistake, was not having Pezao on the CBS show, even if it would have run the show 15 minutes late. They need to build up their best fighters and I think he will be a big draw for them. He is a freakshow, so big and monstrous, yet very quick and agile. Fans will love him.
Johnson, Ranallo, Shamrock were very solid and seemed to wokl extremely well together. Johnson is an outstanding, legitimate announcer who has some working knowledge of mma. Shamrock was very good as an analyst and kept himself in check. Mauro is just Mauro, funny yet good. This may be the best team going right now.
"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"
by BJJDenver on Jul 28, 2008 2:46 PM EDT 0 recs
Johnson and their sideline/backstage reporter are really good. Ranallo is usually pretty good, but has the tendency to say weird shit. I’m not a big fan of Frank Shamrock’s. His analysis is pretty solid, but the dude loves toot his own horn. Maybe I’m still pissed about the Renzo Gracie incident. Actually, take maybe out of it. I want to see the rematch dammit…on CBS.
by Cannon Jacques on
Jul 28, 2008 8:52 PM EDT
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I’m 100% with you on Frank, but I had to give him credit, he did a good job last Saturday. And I thought the rematch would headline teh 1st CBS card, when the deal was announced.
"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"
by BJJDenver on
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