Shayna Baszler and Cris Cyborg Hammer Dana White on Women's MMA
"He wants to question the depth of the female division, but every female fight that ProElite has put on has been a showcase of women's talent and has been 'fight of the night' type material," Baszler says. "If he wants to question that, then I'd question the talent of his heavyweight division," which recently was challenged by Affliction's heavyweight-loaded card.
Cyborg is more direct.
"I'd love to fight Dana White to show him how tough women are," she says through an interpreter.
Alas, I don't think Dana White's ever been anti-women's MMA. I think he's a little gunshy about bringing them on because of protracted legalization battles and as far as adding women to the UFC roster, there isn't much in the way of value added for them. They probably have too many men under contract as it is; bringing aboard women could be interesting, but in White's mind isn't worth any potential risks.
I'm still a fan, though.
[UPDATE] by Nick Thomas - Baszler's audio:
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They took what Dana said awfully personally.
It’s a numbers game. Regardless of how talented Bazler, Santos, La Rossa, Carano, et al are, it doesn’t change the fact that there are relatively few female fighters available and that, at present, EliteXC essentially has the market cornered. What is Dana to do, embrace a division where he cannot actually sign any talent to fill it out?
by Brett Jones on Jul 24, 2008 11:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
They took it personal…and what Dana said make hella sense.
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by Tha Realness on Jul 24, 2008 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just another reason
to hate on Dana White. He did not say anything that should have been taken personally. Can this article be removed please?
by lovingmma25 on Jul 24, 2008 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me explain
Here’s the thing Dana did not say anything offensive or disrepectful about women’s mma. It’s just another reason to bash the UFC and/or Dana White. I don’t know about you or anyone else here on BE but I get tired of it.
The other promotions don’t get bashed half as much and they put on “ok” shows here and there.
Women’s mma will take off when the time is right. In the meantime, Shayna and Cris should just be enjoying the fact that they are in the history books for women’s mma.
by lovingmma25 on Jul 24, 2008 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I’m not bashing Dana White at all. Just explaining his perspective and linking some interesting comments. At no point in writing the post was that ever my intention.
by Luke Thomas on Jul 24, 2008 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not referring to you. I am referring to Cyborg’s comment.
by lovingmma25 on Jul 24, 2008 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regardless of what you’re explaining, there’s absolutely no reason to “remove” this article. It’s an interesting piece of news and an interesting little audio clip. You may not like it and you may feel like the UFC and Dana White are being “picked on” by Cyborg or something, but what’s the rationale for asking for self-censorship?
by Kierkegaard on Jul 24, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t mind women’s MMA. But I find it’s the same for Women’s basketball or women’s hockey. It just doesn’t do anything for me. Maybe it’s the lack of promotion/marketing for female fighters other than Gina. It just seems there’s one female fighter at the top, then everyone else that gets fed to her. As it is, I’m pretty ignorant of the fighters out there, yet surprisingly (or not suprisingly depending on how you see it) I have no real desire to go do any research to find out.
by pud333 on Jul 24, 2008 11:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Women’s fighting is actually exciting, though. Women’s basketball is beyond boring. Women’s Hockey, as far as I know, only exists on winter Olympic years, and I suspect it’s not as exciting as Men’s Olympic Hockey.
I was surprised how much I enjoyed my first women’s MMA match. I’m actually quite interested in it at this point. One of the things I learned very quickly was that there just aren’t many top tier female fighters. That takes nothing away from the very talented athletes that are amongst their ranks, as there are several extremely talented female fighters, but that’s the problem, it’s only a handful at this point.
I think Baszler should remove the chip from her shoulder. She is one of the talented fighters, yes, but she has been quite vocal in his disdain of Gina Carano’s celeberity and her status as the face of women’s MMA. Without Gina, it is very likely that Baszler would not have the opportunity to fight in a major organization, let alone in front of a national television audience. You cannot cry foul when a fighter you don’t respect is leading the charge for women’s MMA yet complain that women’s MMA doesn’t get proper recognition.
Well, I suppose you can, but it makes you seem awfully foolish.
by Brett Jones on Jul 24, 2008 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many women fight mma? How many fight professionally, how many fight amature? How many are in each weight class? How many can actually make weight? (I am glancing in your general direction Gina)
If Dana put out a press release announcing a casting call for a womens TUF show how many applicants would he get? I bet he gets a ton of people that want to be on the show and I bet he hasn’t seen that many women.
by The_Vig on Jul 24, 2008 11:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If Dana put out a press release announcing a casting call for a womens TUF show how many applicants would he get?
and the ratings would mega-suck.
by mythbuster on Jul 24, 2008 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no interest in woman’s mma, but the first season of women’s tough enough would probably do solid ratings.
by Day Man on Jul 24, 2008 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First season
or first episode?
Once the oooh factor wears off, the viewers will drop. And besides, who wants to watch women get drunk, trash a house and pee in their pants?
by mythbuster on Jul 24, 2008 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There would probably be a lot of drama, crying, hurt feelings. The pigishness would run high as well. Women’s bathrooms are more disgusting than men’s.
by lovingmma25 on Jul 24, 2008 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just gonna avoid asking you how came by that knowledge.
by Day Man on Jul 24, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I was once...
an overnight janitor at a mall, I can attest that this is NOT true. Men’s bathrooms are truly more disgusting that womens.
by mythbuster on Jul 24, 2008 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was a commercial for lady Cyborg (featuring only her!) during Big Brother last night.
by Chris Nelson on Jul 24, 2008 12:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I personally think it’s ridiculous when fighters say they want to fight executives. But anyway..
UFC has the WEC for lighter weight classes because they can’t afford to carry even one other division. Adding one women’s weight class is a whole new division. And they neglect to acknowledge that the UFC doesn’t do limited divisions. There is a lot of depth at each weight class in the UFC and Dana is not being insulting to say that he doesn’t believe the depth is there. Can you tell me that there are 10-12 female mixed martial artists in the US, in the same weight class that are both available and able to compete on a similarly competitive level for an extended period of time? Those reasons, in combination, completely validate Dana. But Cyborg wants to fight him.. Get in line behind Tito, I guess.
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2008 12:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it would be great for the UFC to have at least one female fight per card. These chicks can throw down!
by Josh H. on Jul 24, 2008 12:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, but I just don’t want to see it. Sure, I’ll watch it when XC is on CBS (particularly Carrano). But to me it’s not much different than NBA vs WNBA. Take from that what you will..
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2008 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it would be terrible. They already struggle to show enough fights. If they waste airtime on women fighting, that would just make matters worse.
by Richard Wade on Jul 24, 2008 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this before but here goes. I wrote to Kevin Iole, Dave Meltzer, and Adam Swift on this one they have not written back, but I hope it is considered.
I don’t think CBS’s EXC numbers are going to be the same or close to their first show on CBS. The show ran over by 51 mins, I think that was intentional to perhaps gain favorable ratings by people waiting for the news to come on. When you think back to the show, almost an hour into the show, we did not see any fighting – not one. All the fluff that was added was done for a reason. They wanted to make sure they got as many viewers as possible to watch the Kimbo fight, they got that result by delaying the fight until the usual time slot for news.
I know this is not the proper thread for my point of view, but I am piggybacking off of Blog on Balls’ comment.
by lovingmma25 on Jul 24, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure if they did it on purpose, but if they did it was a rather good idea.
by Richard Wade on Jul 24, 2008 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bitterment anyone?
Just sounds bitter to me.
by Tommy7 on Jul 24, 2008 12:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What happened to Fight Girls? Ratings?
Dude asked Luke to take the post down, I don’t know why I found that so funny.
by Tommy7 on Jul 24, 2008 12:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I loved Fight Girls. If they were to re-air the show now, I think it would get a nice bump in viewership because of Gina Carano’s newfound celebrity.
by steak_knife on Jul 24, 2008 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it’s the fact that when they’re fighting you can’t tell their girls. Just weird, small looking men. I do like to watch them fight, I’m just digging.
by Tommy7 on Jul 24, 2008 12:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it’s the fact that when they’re fighting you can’t tell their girls
You’re exactly right Tommy—I’ve said it before, if given the choice to watch ugly girls fight, or men, I’d rather watch the men fight. This is why I’m so amazed by Gina Carano: she can fight and she’s hot.
I’m not sure if anyone here recalls, but a rival womens professional basketball league started at the same time as the WNBA. It failed miserably. Point is, there is not enough depth in womens athletics to have multiple professional organizations of the same sport. What makes Baszler or Cyborg think there is enough talent to field yet another womens MMA division?
by steak_knife on Jul 24, 2008 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummmmm, the WNBA would have failed miserably itself if the NBA wasn’t will to lose millions of dollars a year to support it. There isn’t enough depth in women’s athletics to support one professional league.
The only upside to women’s MMA’s potential is that the few women’s sports that have maintained a solid fanbase are individual sports; tennis and golf.
by Day Man on Jul 24, 2008 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It may have been from a year ago but Dana has said that he, personally, doesn’t like seeing women fight. And that his opinion of it plays a huge part in whether or not the UFC will have female fights. It was in a video interview but I can’t remember from where.
Although most likely it was said only a few months ago during one of the Gina Carano hype weeks. The internet moves so quickly it’s easy to lose track of time.
by Simco on Jul 24, 2008 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I remember it, Simco. I believe it was in December 2006. He mentioned it on MSNBC’s Warrior Nation, that featured Gina Carano vs. Elaina Maxwell on Strikeforce.
by steak_knife on Jul 24, 2008 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Furthermore, I thought he said that there would never be any women fighters in the UFC. All this “Dana White is being reasonable” talk is bologna.
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by jemaleddin on Jul 24, 2008 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What’s unreasonable about not wanting women in the UFC?
by Richard Wade on Jul 24, 2008 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Though he didn’t elaborate a lot, he seemed to indicate that this wasn’t anything that was going to change. So he’s not willing to be reasoned with. And hence: unreasonable!
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Jul 24, 2008 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That assumes there will ever be a time in which it would make sense to have women in the UFC. I rather doubt that will happen.
by Richard Wade on Jul 24, 2008 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doubting the possibility and proclaiming that it won’t happen are different things. You’re being reasonable, and Dana isn’t. Not that it should come as a shock to anyone. :-)
I think that if EliteXC continues to do a good job building up Gina and some other fighters, a league could be built around her just like Affliction is doing with Fedor. And note: it was Pride that built up Fedor, so there’s no reason that the UFC couldn’t wait for somebody else to do the hard work and then cherry-pick the best fighters.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Jul 25, 2008 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think even if women’s MMA became popular, it would still be better served being in its own organization rather than sticking random women’s fights in the middle of a card otherwise containing only men.
by Richard Wade on Jul 26, 2008 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dana White would most likely start a women’s division if he thought it would pay off. I don’t think it really serves fighters and other promoters well to get into a war of words with Dana. He accepts his role as the “bad guy,” and he says a lot of outlandish things in the process. He also said that Randy Couture would beat Fedor. Dana just doesn’t praise athletes that aren’t part of his organization. I respect Dana’s abiltiy to guide the UFC, but I wouldn’t take what he says as gospel. Baszler and Cyborg shouldn’t worry about the UFC’s lack of a women’s division. It’s not a indictment of women’s MMA.
by Cannon Jacques on Jul 24, 2008 1:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here’s a little for-instance regarding women’s MMA in the UFC. Let’s take a look at next week’s UFC 87 show. Consider that if the UFC added a women’s division, they’d have to air a proposed women’s fight on the main card, lest they come under even more fire for it not being good enough to broadcast. Here are the to-broadcast fights on Seek and Destroy;
GSP vs Fitch
Brock vs Herring
Florian vs Huerta
ManGam vs Emerson
MacDonald vs Maia
One of these fights would have to be pushed back, or would not have made the card (perhaps deferred to a future event). Tell me; which of these five fights would you be willing to sacrifice viewing so that you could watch a women’s fight (that would not include the likes of Gina Carrano, no less)? It is a foolish proposition. Not only would I enjoy the card less as a viewer on PPV (though I will be there live, as I’ve mentioned thousands of times), but it would likely accrue lower buyrates and, subsequently less revenue.
Like I’ve said previously; the UFC doesn’t have room for a women’s division of any nature. They are too loaded up with contracted men’s talent.
As a final note; I find it bizarre that these women are so angry about it. Are they being poorly compensated by XC? Shouldn’t they just be happy to be performing on CBS come Saturday?
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2008 2:47 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You’re right. This is why Dana isn’t diving into women’s MMA. If they were going to do it, I think it would have to be in the WEC. The UFC has a proven, profitable product. Women’s MMA just doesn’t fit at this point. That doesn’t mean Dana’s holding female fighters back.
by Cannon Jacques on Jul 24, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, except that if the UFC had a women’s division or somehow otherwise found a way to bring in and put on a women’s fight it’s likely that the entire card would have been different. Perhaps one of those fights gets put on a different card from the start, for example. I don’t think you can just pick the next big card that has already been established and then say one of those matches would get relegated to non-televised or bumped, because the women’s fight would have been part of the planning all along.
I’m not saying the UFC should take steps to add a women’s division. I don’t mind getting my women’s mma here and there from other broadcasts. I just don’t think your hypothetical is really a fair way of looking at it.
by Kierkegaard on Jul 24, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the point is that the UFC has a deep talent pool that can produce many potentially interesting fights. There are often non-televised fights that I wish were televised. The UFC really doesn’t have much room for more fighters. They’ve been trimming their rosters so that their remaining fighters could get more fights. Would it really be worth displacing some of the current fighters to accomodate a women’s division? EXC doesn’t have this problem. Women’s MMA makes much more sense for them.
by Cannon Jacques on Jul 24, 2008 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
My explanation is entirely fair. As Cannon J has pointed out, it’s a matter of available talent and airtime, of which they have so much of the former they had to shed weight and so little of the latter that they need a network deal. The 87 card was a for-instance, but it’s a reliable example. Look forward to 88. Same thing, perhaps worse. And even regardless, the point is the card would be less marketable (and thus, less profitable) with a female fight not featuring Gina Carrano than any myriad of male match ups within UFC’s storied and well structured male divisions. There just simply is no room—not enough airtime and too many contracted male fighters. It’s a very reasonable and fair argument..
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2008 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a huge fan of female MMA, I think it’s fantastic the UFC wants no part of it. :)
by Chris Nelson on Jul 24, 2008 5:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fans and detractors of female MMA agree: No women fighting in the UFC.
by Richard Wade on Jul 24, 2008 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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