Are We Hoping for Death Now?
I am disgusted. Seriously...stomach churning, bile in the back of my throat, veins bulging in my forehead furiously disgusted.
Last night a boxer named Oscar Diaz was hospitalized and is in critical condition. Emergency surgery was required to try to relieve the swelling and bleeding on his brain. There is still a very real chance that 25 year old Oscar Diaz could die from last nights tragic events.
Yet, this is not what has me so upset. Obviously it is a horrible situation and I had trouble sleeping after witnessing it. But no, what has me upset is that it seems like the majority of the MMA community treating this like some sort of victory for our sport. Are we hoping that boxers die now? Is it "good for the cause?"
I've seen a flood of "See! MMA is so much less dangerous than boxing!" type comments on message boards, blogs and even this very site. Despite whatever truth there may be to the safety debate it needs to be realized that this is a human life. A man with friends and a family. There is no win here for boxing or MMA. There is no good that can come out of this other than hopefully a focus on the responsibilities of cornermen in regards to their fighter's safety. Oh yeah, and hopefully Oscar Diaz can recover and enjoy a full life with the people he loves...that would be pretty good too.
And is anyone really ignorant enough to think that a tragedy in boxing is going to suddenly make those focused on the dangers of MMA while lauding the history of boxing see the light? I'm sure these people are also thrilled when Sam Vasquez is used as an example of "See! What brutality in this sport!" We were lucky that regardless of the actual circumstances of that case that it wasn't thrust into the bright lights of the mainstream media and held there every time MMA was brought up by major news sources.
At some point it is our responsibility to treat combat sports as combat sports. A tragedy in boxing is a tragedy in MMA. People are used to boxing, this is why they think MMA is more brutal. A death in boxing does not make MMA safer in the eyes of anyone who has already made up their mind. If anything it will only make them see MMA as more dangerous. After all, if people are ending up in the hospital because of the timeless sport of boxing what is going to happen in this brutal sport of cage fighting (THEY KICK EACH OTHER IN THE HEAD!)?
And just one more dose of the reality of this situation from Dan Rafael's latest update piece:
"They had to remove the left side of his cranium in order to help the swelling go down, which apparently was very bad," Katz said. "He had a subdural hematoma [bleeding on the brain], which was taken care of. During surgery, he apparently showed movement in his arms and his brain pressure was very good, according to the doctor."
Tragedy is tragedy. What happened to Oscar Diaz was not a win for the sport of MMA, and it very well may end up being a loss for all of combat sports.
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The fact that there are heartless people out there doesn’t surprise me. Some people just can’t empathize unless it becomes more of a personal situation. I’m not saying it’s right, but it’s the way it is. And I’m no better, becuase I’m sure there are times when I have been insensitive. But those that are using this incident as a means of justifying their positions and opinions on the safety of combat sports are truly without shame.
by pud333 on Jul 17, 2008 7:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If the doctor feels the pressure has been relieved, he’ll probably pull through. The brain can take a lot more punishment and be o.k. than most people think, especially at his age.
Provided Diaz survives all the swelling, he’ll probably have some personality changes, due to the location of the removal. There are parts of the cranium that can be removed without causing death, but the description above isn’t really all that precise. The cranium itself makes up most of what an average person thinks of when they think ‘brain’, so the left upper part is a pretty significant portion…and while we can survive without parts of our brain, that’s usually at a sacrifice for how we act (personality).
I’m betting it was a part of the frontal lobe…that’s the least likely to cause big issues, but brain surgery is brain surgery…even a small one takes a long time to heal and is no fun. I’m four months removed from a crainiotomy to remove an acoustic neruoma…they had to go into my skull to remove a growth pressing on the brain, not even the brain itself, and I’m still recovering. It was a month before I could think clearly, and I still have difficulty exerting myself…it’ll be at least six months longer before I can do jiu-jitsu again…even light rolling due to the pressure that builds in my head…I’d give him at least a year before he can exercise moderately and not get headaches.
Point being, I can almost guarantee a fellow combatant probably just lost his ability to do something he enjoys. If you are one of the insensitive types to the situation, imagine losing the ability to do something you enjoy. It’s a terrible thing to experience, and I wouldn’t wish it on anyone. I hope he pulls through and hope he has a lot of support around him…that will be of a lot of help through recovery, and it will be measured in months, not days or weeks. He may be able to box again in a few years, but not without a lot of scrutiny from his doctors, and I promise he’s done doing it professionally. I hope he didn’t rely on it for providing for his family.
Best of luck, Oscar!
by Dabashire on Jul 17, 2008 7:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
D.E.A.T.H
What does that spell?
DEATH! DEATH! DEATH!
by banter on Jul 17, 2008 8:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“a majority of the MMA community”
Wow, are you being serious? To me thats a ludicrous thing to say
by smoogy on Jul 17, 2008 8:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he may have over-reacted a wee-bit with that statement, however.
by Heenan on Jul 17, 2008 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will own up to that.
Although to be fair you’re leaving out a few words mainly “it seems like.” Which at the moment it did seem that way to me…the way that things always seem worse than they truly are when you’re upset.
It was however a bit of an overstatement and I’m cool with being called on it.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 17, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good call
Yesterday on the (sometimes bloviating) Signals vs. Noise blog of 37 Signals (a web dev company), they pointed out:
"Don’t say everyone or no one. It doesn’t mean anything."
Very true – What you really mean with that kind of language is, “I feel strongly that….” I’m going to be trying to watch my own statements more closely.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Jul 18, 2008 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hoping
You are naive Brent. I like the shit you write and without some of your news blurbs Bloody Elbow wouldnt be the same. But seriously, are you expecting everyone to share the same Hippy compassion as you? Not everyone values human life unless it is in there immediate family. I could care less what happens to him. But as a fan of MMA this does prove a point. Boxing has had far to many deaths and they should follow the example set by MMA and use smaller gloves. That way people like you won’t lose sleep, and people like Oscar wont die, and people like me can enjoy both sports again.
by MrNiceGuyMMA on Jul 17, 2008 8:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Come on man...
Hippy compassion for hoping that someone who competes in combat sports is okay? And thinking that a man’s well being take on more importance than some sort of weak “I told you so?”
If you can honestly say that you “could care less what happens to him” and not at least “I hope he is okay” then I don’t know what to say.
Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
"The reason a lot of people do not recognize opportunity is because it usually goes around wearing overalls and looking like hard work." -- Thomas Edison
by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 17, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“MrNiceGuyMMA’ now there’s an oxymoron.
Just a tip mate; Caring what happens to another human being does not make you a pussy or any less of a man. If the medical spotlight turns to boxing again you can be assured they will also tar MMA with the same brush.
by Benicio on Jul 17, 2008 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brent calm down…you’re worried about a few dozen kids who live at home and have never paid a bill in their life.
by banter on Jul 17, 2008 8:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m with Brent on this one. This isn’t a subject to debate about.
Fans often times define their sport. I certainly hope self-proclaimed “hard-core” fans have more heart than “I could care less what happens to him”. That’s a pretty shitty thing to say.
by Heenan on Jul 17, 2008 9:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Between this and the post “The Wrong Focus” I think we can officially declare today Oversensitive Day at Bloody Elbow.
by raidernationz on Jul 17, 2008 9:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Come on bro… Marquardt could have killed 2 dudes all ready with his pile drivers. Every event has its risks.
Brent is simply saying that there is a time to debate, and its not on this issue.
by Heenan on Jul 17, 2008 9:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is a terrible thing in any sport. if anything it has a very negative vibe for all of full contact sports.
Stick to your morals and dont be influenced by the negative. Good does prevail in the long run. Dont be afraid to stand up for others who can't
by BLS1919 on Jul 17, 2008 9:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
stop the over-sensitivity
My heart goes out to Oscar Diaz and his family—but this is a blog and everything is debatable here.
To the boxing purists who have been bad-mouthing MMA for its violence for years, how can we not bring Diaz up as an example?
Like Luke Thomas said, this is not the UG or Sherdog—and as long things are kept respectful, I think a powerful argument can be made from this for MMA’s record of safety VS other sports.
by steak_knife on Jul 17, 2008 9:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it is the internet after all
You are being upset by the lowest denominator. Relax, half the people crowing on ‘those’ other forums are little kids who have yet to mature and the other half never think before they type anything.
Take a breath and dont let the ‘forum trolls’ get to you. Thats why I’m here and not at Sherdog/UG anymore.
by Benicio on Jul 17, 2008 11:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Devil's Advocate
What if the same incident were to happen in MMA? The boxing purists would LOVE it because it bolsters the ‘human cock-fighting’ argument that they’ve been making for years.
Chalk one up for the home team.
by steak_knife on Jul 17, 2008 11:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“See! MMA is so much less dangerous than boxing!”
by ProCannonFodder on Jul 18, 2008 7:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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It is sad that we spend significant time making light of people’s deaths to make any point, especially about something such as a comparison of combat sports. I think MMA certainly has qualities that should make it significantly safer both in the short and long term than boxing. There’s not much doubt in my mind about that. I also can’t shake that people don’t seem to understand the difference in numbers or sanctioning when it comes to the two sports, or even understand the rule sets. Boxing should have more deaths than MMA because there’s as many professional boxing matches in a year as there are in MMA history. That Douglas Dredge “doesn’t count” but numerous faceless (to the west) boxers from Mexico, Indonesia, Thailand, and much of the developing and third world where athletic commissions don’t exist or are impotent is appalling. When I hear Jeremy Horn talk about fighting another 7-10 years I wonder what his mind state will be like after taking 6-7 more Nate Marqhardt type beatings. What will Sakuraba be like? No one is protecting that guy from himself and there’s not even a system in place to do it. Unless Sean Salmon has some sort of ulterior fashion to make money, I wouldn’t in the least bit be surprised to see him return. Does anyone think that’s in the best interest of the sport?
I know more than a few boxing fans who hope that things with MMA continue to change, because having something that over the long term may replace it that is safer is nothing to be sad about, especially since it compromises none of the action. Right now, I see that many of the major promoters in this country want guys clubbing each other in what look like subpar boxing matches (Dana included) and I can’t say that speaks well for the future.
by D.Capitated on Jul 18, 2008 9:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
mma fans love to jump on the ban boxing band wagon cause anyone that fights in that shit sport where they roll around cuddling each orther on the floor just aint good enough to lace up a pair of gloves
by bradhit on Jul 19, 2008 3:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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