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A Gambler's Analysis of UFC 85: Bedlam - Matt Hughes vs. Thiago Alves

Mike Fagan and I decided to break down some questions that gamblers (especially rookies) may have on tomorrow's UFC 85 Card.  Read on for some of our analysis and if you have any questions ask in the comments and hopefully we can get back to you.  We're using the Bodog odds just to have one standard set of numbers to work off of.  But both Mike and I are big advocates of shopping around for value .

Easy question first.  Who is getting overlooked most on this card?

Mike Fagan:
  I'd have to say Jason Day.  While you can get a better price elsewhere, the +260 line still probably has some marginal value.  Bisping is a favorite for a reason, but Day is a solid, experienced fighter who is coming off of a couple of wins against solid mid-tier fighters.

Brent Brookhouse:  Jess Liaudin at +200 for me.  The Marcus Davis and Paul Kelly fights showed some pretty big holes in Taylor's game in my eyes.  Liaudin was kind of a sexy pick for a lot of people going into the Davis fight and just plain got caught.  His win/loss record isn't great but I think he has the better all-around game coming in.  If we look at records since 2006 Taylor is 3-3 (1 NC) with three stoppages but he has also been subbed twice.  On the other hand Jess is 5-1 with 5 stoppages (1 KO, 2 TKO, 2 Subs) and he was KO'ed by Davis.  I just don't see how he is sitting at +200.

I'd also say Jorge Rivera but I'll get to him in a second...

There isn't a big time hyped dog on this card like the last few shows (Starnes, Young...etc) but does anything stick out as an awkward "stay away" line right now?

Mike Fagan:  He isn't a big dog anymore, but I'd say away from Alves at the current line (+160).  If you were smart enough to jump on him when it opened around +250, I think you did well.  I think Thiago is going to have a hard time keeping this on the feet.

I'll be interested to see if or how the line reacts to Alves coming in at 174.

Brent Brookhouse:  I actually don't like Day at +260.  I've talked a lot on the site about the reasons I like Bisping at 185 and how slick his boxing was in the McCarthy fight.  Coming off an impressive win I think a lot of people are really high on Day but Bisping is fighting in front of his home crowd, he has a lot to prove after the Hamill fight, and is much improved.  So I guess you either look at things through Mike's pro-Day glasses or you look at things like me.

Are you surprised by the way any of the lines have moved on this show?

Mike Fagan:  Not really.  The big three fights on the card (Hughes-Alves, Marquardt-Leities, Vera-Werdum) all moved how I thought they would.  If I had to pick a fight, though, I'm a little surprised the Swick-Davis fight has slightly moved towards Swick.  I think Davis is a little more well-rounded and should have better standup.  Swick's height and reach could give him trouble though.

Brent Brookhouse:  I'm more surprised by the way the lines DIDN'T move on Jorge Rivera.  Rivera is coming off a good (albeit not entirely shocking) win over Kendall Grove whereas Kampmann is coming off 15 months of inactivity due to injury.  On top of that Martin doesn't have the kind of KO power you'd like to see in a guy who would generally be defined as a "striker" (he does have a decent ground game though) and Rivera can cut you up with elbows and has enough power to stop someone.  The longer the fight goes the better things are going to look for Jorge I figure.  But I'm shocked that he is still sitting at +200, I figured it'd move to around +175-180 come fight time.

Lets say you have 10 units to bet on the event.  How are you distributing it?

Mike Fagan:  Jason Day +260 1u to win 2.6u
Marcus Davis -110 1u to win .9u
Matt Hughes -200 2u to win 1u
Nate Marquardt -205 5u to win 2.44u
Brandon Vera -170 1u to win .59u

With some line shopping (a very important skill, kids!), you can get better odds on 3 of those fights. 

Brent Brookhouse:  Matt Hughes -200 3u to win 1.5u
Jess Liaudin +200 3u to win 6u
Jorge Rivera +200 1.5u to win 3u
Luis Cane +125 1u to win 1.25u
Marcus Davis -110 1.5u to win 1.36u

 

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Sanchez – the line should open up around +170, but hasn’t opened in most places
Day – good value. I like him as a strait dog pick. Bisping is not great any any one thing. I think he is over rated. Day looked really good in his last fight, but I am not sure he has another upset in him.
Cane – the line is a good value and he is mean. I like mean. He is also a jerk, I don’t like that so much.
and Vera – He is good on his feet and will be able to keep it there. Werdum won’t be able to control him. Werdum gonna get knocked out. Plus I got the lin at -115
Thiago Tavares – I just think its a lock. Wiman has a punchers chance, but Tavares need to get out wrestled to get beat. The line is steep and only worth it is winning make you feel good and its not about money. I just had to pick one big fav that I thought was a lock.

Liaudin is also a good pick, but I would like a little better line – All the reasons Brent said.

by szucconi on Jun 6, 2008 4:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Vera...

...kind of worries me because he still is going to be kind of smallish. And if Werdum decides “hey, I’m just going to muscle him around Sylvia style” there could be trouble. That being said I’m picking Vera to win the fight. I’m just not totally comfortable with gambling on him.

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"The reason a lot of people do not recognize opportunity is because it usually goes around wearing overalls and looking like hard work." -- Thomas Edison

by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 6, 2008 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Werdum is only 20 lbs bigger and while that is a lot in most cases, I think Werdum is not as well shaped as Vera (a little heavy in the mid section). Werdum isn’t big Tim and Vera has much better stand up then Gonzaga.

by szucconi on Jun 6, 2008 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree...

with the fact that Vera is in better shape and that Vera has better stand-up. But I still think he can be muscled around.

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

"The reason a lot of people do not recognize opportunity is because it usually goes around wearing overalls and looking like hard work." -- Thomas Edison

by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 6, 2008 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

Vera is WAY stronger than he looks. He manhandled Fabiano Scherner in the clinch by turning and off balancing him. I’m telling you, Vera is super super strong.

by Luke Thomas on Jun 6, 2008 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm picking him...

I just wouldn’t bet on him. I also don’t think he’ll really need that strength.

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

"The reason a lot of people do not recognize opportunity is because it usually goes around wearing overalls and looking like hard work." -- Thomas Edison

by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 6, 2008 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Next time I'll rephrase...

to say “Lets say you have 10u to gamble on the event…how would you go about losing a significant portion of that?”

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

"The reason a lot of people do not recognize opportunity is because it usually goes around wearing overalls and looking like hard work." -- Thomas Edison

by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 7, 2008 5:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Hah. Sick beat with Marquardt. Sucks to totally beat on a guy for 13 minutes of a fight and still lose. :(. I’ve got a writeup coming.

by Mike Fagan on Jun 7, 2008 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

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