They Can't Both Be Right
I was pretty sure just an hour ago that every stoppage at the Elite XC event was justified, but now Kaitlin Young is speaking out and things are looking hazy once again.
Yesterday, Kaitlin Young posted about the stoppage on Fightergirls:
My left cheek and area surrounding the eye are looking pretty ugly today, but there was no major damage. Though it may have looked like it on tv, I never actually had an open wound.
What you didn't see was that the doctor actually cleared me to fight the third round but the commission said "no". I wanted to continue, my corner wanted to continue. The cut likely would have opened in the third but it was under the eye. If I had to guess, I would say that they didn't want the visual of a woman with a bloody face on CBS.
They also chose not to do a post fight interview with me or to include me in the post fight news conference and after party. I think the reason for that was my beat up appearance after the fight because I was not seriously injured and was completely coherent.
I am very disappointed about that but cant help but wonder how people would have responded to that, as stupid as it is.
Earlier, Sam Caplan posted an email from Doctor Sherry Wulkan on the doctor stoppage:
“When we saw Kaitlin in the cage, we were concerned about an orbital fracture. Both she and her corner were grateful that the fight was stopped and actually thanked us for stopping the fight. When she first returned to the dressing room, she said she wasn’t sure why the fight was stopped, but after looking in the mirror, she was glad we did. That is almost a quote verbatim. She said she was overwhelmed and that Carano definitely got the better of her on this occasion. I don’t read the blogs [Editor’s Note: Dr. Wulkan is referring to an alleged post by Kaitlin Young on FighterGirls.com, however, the post has yet to be verified as actually being authored by Young herself], but perhaps she was not well reviewed and this prompted the response you forwarded.
“We did not stop the fight because it looked ugly or because she was a woman, but because she had taken some major abuse, and because we were afraid she had a fracture. The risks of orbital fractures are well known to ringside physicians.
“Her response seems more like a vendetta for not being invited to the interviews . It’s a shame, because she presented herself very professionally both before and after the fight on fight night."
Sounded pretty legit to me, but Kaitlyn Young has now responded:
Hey! Well, heres the deal. I want to make it clear that I am not taking anything away from Gina by saying that I feel it was an early stoppage. It is not my intention to suggest that she wasn't clearly winning in the end of the second round. I was more than able to fight, but likely to become bloody soon.
Also, the doc that checked me out right after the round okayed me. The commission came over to my corner, with Dr. Sherry ???? in tow, and then the fight was ended. Things I said afterward have been twisted, but I definitely did not want to stop fighting yet and I did not thank anyone for the stoppage.
I have no orbital fracture. I was not directly "banned" from the post fight press conference, I was simply never told about it while the other fighters were all present. Gina was the one who informed me, and offered me tickets, to the after party. As for the post fight interview, I was never asked to do one for Elite or CBS, but I did one with MMA weekly/ HD net minutes after my fight ended and in between rounds of the Lawler/Smith fight. When that is posted, people can judge for themselves whether or not I was coherent.
I'd like to be done with this now. It was all started over a post I made explaining the stoppage as people thought it looked early and wondered where I disappeared to after the fact.
Thanks everyone for your interest and support. Now where did I put my ice pack?
Here's the deal: One of these two is either lying, spinning, or misremembering. They clearly have different memories of what happened, so I guess we can choose between the beaten up fighter or the doctor under fire.
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I find it interesting that after one doctor cleared her, another came over and stopped it.
That’s kind of weird.
by mythbuster on Jun 3, 2008 7:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gina let her know and offered tickets? That’s pretty class.
by Gong on Jun 3, 2008 7:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why would this doctor go into so much detail about how Kaitlin and her camp were so happy the fight was stopped? Maybe the doctors, the athletic commission, and EliteXC are trying to cover their asses by developing this elaborate story. I just don’t feel like Kaitlin is lying or has a “vendetta” against the other parties involved. Of course, I’m biased. I don’t like EXC.
I’m not a conspiracy theorist. They may have not wanted a battered looking woman associated with the event, the athletic commission, and the promotion. Whatever the case, leaving her out of the activities after the event is crappy. I didn’t question the whole scenario much until these differing accounts came to light.
I agree with Gong. Gina offering her tickets to the afterparty was a classy move. Gary Shaw could learn something from her.
by Cannon Jacques on Jun 3, 2008 8:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry kaitlin, but you were out of your league Saturday, and the stoppage was in your best interest. it wasn’t fair from the beginning and props to you for fighting despite Gina’s unprofessional attempt at making weight.
you were the better pro, but not the better fighter that night. Keep up the hard work and look forward to seeing you fight in the future.
The path the ref/doctors/commission took may have been poor, but the correct result was reached. And I don’t want to hear anything about Gina being protected, that fight was very lopsided. i hate to give Gina credit since she didn’t even bother with the cut, but she is a top female fighter.
"They said you was hung!!"
"And they was RIGHT!"
by BJJDenver on Jun 3, 2008 9:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah
Kaitlin was game and showed a hell of a chin, but Carano creamed her. I’d certainly feel better about it without the weight difference since four pounds can be a really big deal, but I don’t think it would’ve made any difference.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Jun 3, 2008 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree the 4 pound probably didn’t make much difference, but the strain and cimmitment out into the cut certainly can take a toll.
"They said you was hung!!"
"And they was RIGHT!"
by BJJDenver on Jun 4, 2008 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so...
was the Thompson fight the correct decision also ? he was obviously beat up and hurt?
by fanaddict on Jun 3, 2008 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d take an eye injury stoppage over an ear injury stoppage any day.
by zeroword on Jun 4, 2008 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing has zero to do with the other.
The fight was stopped as much or more, because JT was getting pummeled in the 3rd.
"They said you was hung!!"
"And they was RIGHT!"
by BJJDenver on Jun 4, 2008 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s a drag being left out of the post fight press conference which is a good opportunity to thank sponsors. And being left out of the after party is absolutely frickin’ astounding. What did they expect Kaitlin to do? Go back to her hotel room while the rest of them partied? This sounds like Hollywood where they don’t even invite the screenwriter to the premiere party of their own movie. Glad Gina gave her some tickets… jeez!
by planetf on Jun 3, 2008 10:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
She would have lost the third. But she deserved the opportunity to fight it.
I find the doctor going on about whatever was said after the fight irrelevant. If Young was able to fight, and her speech was not garbled (as claimed)... the fight should continue. The fact that the doctor is NOT sticking to the facts and speculating about vendettas and bad reviews (that she admits she never even read)... sounds like bullshit. I instantly suspect at least something fishy about the docs story with such distractions.
Bad decision. Hope Kaitlin stays with it… she’s crazy tough and with only 7 months training. Another few years training she’ll really have something I bet.
I also respectfully disagree with the logic that the ends justify the means. That path makes for bad (or fixed) sport eventually, if not in this case.
by swarmofkillermonkeys on Jun 4, 2008 12:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Regardless of what Kaitlin young says, I know that while watching that fight when they sat her down after the second round, right before they stopped the fight, I watched as the swelling under her eye grew to the size of a golf ball and kept growing. I dont know about you, but that’s not safe for her, and there is no one in the world who wants to see that on screen.
I had no problem with this stoppage compared to the other two.
by PatrickGray on Jun 4, 2008 11:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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