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Does the UFC have what it takes for Network TV??

Ok, UFC has two types of fans, mma fans and ultimate fighting fans. These are the 600,000 or so that buy the ppvs or watch the shows monthly. Just a rounded off number, going off some of their more recent, successful cards.

EXC, the only promotion with a prime time network deal, has the hardcore mma fan and the casual/new fan that wants to see Kimbo and Gina Carrano, thus the 6 million or so viewers for the latter part of EXCBS 1. That is ten times the number of viewers watching the UFC (staying with the high end of buys to compensate some for the bar crowds). Of course, we have yet to see if they can remotely sustain that viewership.

Now, we all know that the hook of EXCBS 1, was Kimbo and Gina, so my question is, "who is the UFC's Kimbo?". Obviously, they don't have the curiosity draw for casual fans, that is women's mma, so who would they put on their cards to draw those new/casual fans? Who is their version of a "YouTube Fighting Sensation"? Are their most well known fighters, while superior skill wise, the big draw for these fans?

If the UFC were to garner even half of the EXCBS ratings, it would be considered a huge failure, imo, and could hurt their reputation some. They cannot put on shows like TUF 7 Finale or UFNs and expect to grab these valued viewers.

So, I am going to list who I think are the top draws, most compelling or most well known in each weight class. Feel free to agree or disagree, but more interestingly, put together a main card of 5 fights or so and let's see what we can come up with to draw in those more casual, less knowledgeable fans.

 

HW--Sorely lacking big names, obviously won't be the anchor weight class.

Brock Lesner--May be the biggest name in the UFC as far as new/casual fan is concerned.

Shane Carwin--America loves the huge, built guys and he may be able to grow into a top spot.

Cheick Kongo--Same here, big Physically imposing guy.

Antonio Nogueira--The Champ, maybe TUF exposure can get make him more recognizable?

 

LHW--Tito would have been perfect for a foray into network TV.

Rampage--Has had some TV/film exposure, very entertaining, plus he is the champ.

Chuck Liddell--Probably the highest profile fighter in the UFC that hasn't been in the WWE. Imo, he would be the headliner, without question.

Forrest Griffin--Has had some exposure and is a huge character. Don't discount his recognition from TUF 1.

Sokoudjou--Another physically imposing guy, great look about him and spectacular KO power.

Shogun--Top skills and a TV face, lol. The ladies love Shogun!

 

MW--Tough division to sell.

Anderson--Perhaps the best fighter around, but no exposure.

Michael Bisping--Seems like fans enjoy hating him more than anything, but that isn't always a bad thing.

 

WW--Could be a huge division on TV.

GSP--Great fighter, great accent, professionally dressed and well spoken. This guy should be one of the faces of MMA.

Hughes--Could be ending his career soon, should cash in on whatever recognition he may have.

Serra--Larger than life personality and has some exposure from TUF and beating GSP.

 

LW--Gotta sell action, and this is where it's at!

BJ--The champ, the prodigy, full of attitude and a great fighter.

Roger Huerta--Developing fighter, made for TV.

Clay Guida--looks like Animal from the Muppet Show, lol. His unique look and non-stop action style, make for a potential draw.

 

Obviously this isn't a list of the best fighters, but rather who is already somewhat known and who could be. Certainly not all-inclusive. So think it over and put your cards together and let's see if we think the UFC has what it takes to bring in the casual/new fans that may not be familiar with many of the world's best fighters.

 

 

 

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6 million viewers?

I still think that number is skewed based on the fact that the show ran over into the normal time frame for the news.

Aside from that – Tito and BJ would be good headliners. If Urijah was in the UFC him too as well.

by lovingmma25 on Jun 26, 2008 3:31 PM EDT   0 recs

Urijah is an excellent choice.

"They said you was hung!!"

"And they was RIGHT!"

by BJJDenver on Jun 26, 2008 3:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Which would also bring up the topic of a combined UFC/WEC show, which I personally believe is a very good idea.

"They said you was hung!!"

"And they was RIGHT!"

by BJJDenver on Jun 26, 2008 3:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Dude, the UFC would get 8-10 million viewers on network television. Hell, they’ve gotten 3-4 million on Spike TV alone for certain fights that aired on tape delay.

by Tha Realness on Jun 26, 2008 3:34 PM EDT   0 recs

Yes, but you are missing the point. Aside from those of us that make up the 3-4 million that watch on Spike, who do they have that would draw another 3-4 million fans that don’t know these guys?

Put your card together. I’m not saying you are wrong, i just want to see what kind of card you think they will need in order to draw those numbers.

"They said you was hung!!"

"And they was RIGHT!"

by BJJDenver on Jun 26, 2008 3:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Dude UFC would have no problems. Why are you so concerned withhow the fighters look physically???? Most guys are not checking out the fighters’ physique when they fight. I don’t care if it is Lesnar or Dustin Hazelett, I want to see a good fight (i don’t really care to see jason Lambert’s flappin pecs or Huerta’s frank and beans in those spandex tight shorts).

by jason4jc on Jun 26, 2008 3:37 PM EDT   0 recs

Again, you are missing the point. I could care less what they look like, Hell, I’d like to see Roy Nelson on EXCBS. The point I’m trying to make, is what is going to draw the casual VIEWER to watch the card. When you advertise it and they see someone imposing like Carwin, it will strike their interest.

And way to fit in Frank and Beans, lol, just note I never said that!

"They said you was hung!!"

"And they was RIGHT!"

by BJJDenver on Jun 26, 2008 3:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And do you think Gina is on TV purely for her skills…fighting skills that is?

"They said you was hung!!"

"And they was RIGHT!"

by BJJDenver on Jun 26, 2008 3:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

does your comment have something to do with frank & beans?

by lovingmma25 on Jun 26, 2008 3:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

lol
Clay Guida—looks like Animal from the Muppet Show, lol.

Glad I’m not the only one who thinks so. I told my brother the exact same thing after the Huerta fight.

by mythbuster on Jun 26, 2008 3:37 PM EDT   0 recs

How does your comment relate to the question at hand?

by lovingmma25 on Jun 26, 2008 3:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

whenever I watch a card with Guida, my less knowledgeable friends always coming away loving him. Dude just brings it EVERY time, win or lose.

When I was at UFN 13, no fighter got the applause Clay did. With a couple of breaks his way, I think he could be a huge star.

"They said you was hung!!"

"And they was RIGHT!"

by BJJDenver on Jun 26, 2008 4:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

I like the guy. I still have no idea how he went from Main Event vs Huerta and the very next fight he had was an un-televised match… The Clay Guida-Tyson Griffin fight was one of the first fights I saw where I was absolutely wide-eyed the whole time.

by mythbuster on Jun 26, 2008 6:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Couldn’t agree more.

"They said you was hung!!"

"And they was RIGHT!"

by BJJDenver on Jun 26, 2008 6:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I wouldn’t mind seeing something like Tito fighting Houston Alexander; BJ Penn fighting Gray Maynard; St. Pierre fighting Thiago Alves; and maybe Rich Franklin fighting Hendo.

Yes I am dreaming that all of these fights would be on the same card, but hey, it would pull in the viewers.

by lovingmma25 on Jun 26, 2008 3:45 PM EDT   0 recs

loving the GSP/Alves fight and the Franklin/Hendo fight. Definitely a couple of exciting fights.

I just think to draw the less rabid fans, they would have to headline Chuck and perhaps have Lesner in the #2 fight, then feature some of their lesser known, but great, fighters.

"They said you was hung!!"

"And they was RIGHT!"

by BJJDenver on Jun 26, 2008 3:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The UFC could pull those numbers because they know how to market their product…do you know what kind of advertising they would be doing? LOL…

by Tha Realness on Jun 26, 2008 4:02 PM EDT   0 recs

Your math is off

600K buy is not the same at 600K viewers. How meny cards have you watched alone. I regularly watch cards with 4-8 people and no one even likes me. There is also a big diffrence between watching if for free on network TV and paying $45 for it. Lets say you have 4 people watching for every buy. Thats about 2.4 million views for a pay per view. Thats a great number for something thats not free.

by szucconi on Jun 26, 2008 4:04 PM EDT   0 recs

I know, and I didn’t mean that strictly. There are also the bar crowds as well.

My point is, do they have what it takes to NOT ONLY draw their fans and us mma fans that watch all the shows.

In other words, we all have friends that will occasionally watch a card with us, but they don’t train, don’t follow the sport and so on. So what do they have to do to get that person and others like them to watch their show on their own, without us putting them in front of the TV and explaining who each fighter is.

"They said you was hung!!"

"And they was RIGHT!"

by BJJDenver on Jun 26, 2008 4:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That really hit home. Thats how I got into all this. A freind got me over and made me watch. He made me read the wrestling observer. He taught me that MMAWeekly ranking suck. I have a little fear that if people watch MMA in there own home for the first time that they won’t get hooked because they won’t get the inside info or know the lead up to each fight. Knowing how a guy fought in his last few fights make a big diffrence when it comes to carring about his current fight.

by szucconi on Jun 26, 2008 4:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, I try and drag all my friends to mma, but especially now, trying to get them to watch Dream, Strikeforce, EXC and all the others. I still find it funny trying to explain who Fedor is and why he is better than Lesner, lol.

"They said you was hung!!"

"And they was RIGHT!"

by BJJDenver on Jun 26, 2008 4:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Let me give you some numbers, 12/29/2007, UFC 79, around 500,000 buys. Why is that date significant? Patriots vs Giants. Patriots trying to be the first team to go 16-0. That had to have over 20 million viewers. That is a huge indicator of how far UFC has come along. They always aim for 500,000 buys. For them to pull that number against the number one sports league in the country, that should tell you what they could do in they were on Network TV. I am surprised that these Networks have not caught on with those number and get a piece of UFC.

by The Bronzeville Bully on Jun 26, 2008 8:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

They’re all trying to get a piece according to Dana White on episode 6 of MMA Live, espn.com.

Dana’s not biting though. He’s a total control freak.

by steak_knife on Jun 26, 2008 8:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I would not say he is a control freak, he is looking for the right deal that coincides with the UFCs’ business model. Elite XC deal looks pretty bad. CBS forced them to put on a show to soon and the ratings look to suffer because of it. They are making decisions on the fight cards. I mean, Elite XC was in a bad position and they pretty much gave up their rights to be on television. Say what you want about Dana White, but he recognized the wrong deal could of reflected badly on UFC and hinder their long term prospects.

by The Bronzeville Bully on Jun 26, 2008 10:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I’m a big Dana White fan. But the man is a control freak, and to his credit, he’s been right on with the decisions he’s made. I think that’s what’s made UFC what it is today. You’re right, he has publicly admitted to turning down network and other cable deals because he was unwilling to compromise his product.

I’m sure that I’m not the only MMA fan irked that Kimbo/Thompson was the most-watched fight in the history of the sport. I think we all agree that the UFC product is far superior to any other promotions. In a perfect world, it would be nice to see UFC on network TV for that very reason. In order for that to happen, concessions must be made by both sides. I am certain that the networks negotiating with Dana wanted more than he was willing to give up. And after watching what CBS had done with EXC, I can’t disagree with him.

by steak_knife on Jun 26, 2008 11:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think a lot of people tuned into EXC on CBS because it was different. Obviously, many did for Kimbo, and some did for Gina. I don’t believe that the UFC needs a Kimbo-like character. Their name carries much more weight than EXC. Casual-type fans are somewhat familiar with the UFC.

Lesnar vs. Kongo might be intriguing to people.

Liddell vs. Rampage II would be an easy sell.

A. Silva vs. Bisping might be OK. Bisping’s a big talker. He may need Nate Marquardt to jump into the Octagon with a steel chair, though.

St. Pierre vs. Penn II would be awesome. I’d rather see B.J. clean out the LW division, but this fight would be awesome and a sure draw.

Penn vs. Huerta would be great. Huerta vs. Sherk might be good, but it might become boring if Sherk can keep Huerta on the ground.

by Cannon J on Jun 26, 2008 4:07 PM EDT   0 recs

Some very nice matches and lol at steel chair AND for having Marquardt be the one with it!!

"They said you was hung!!"

"And they was RIGHT!"

by BJJDenver on Jun 26, 2008 4:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

OK, my card…

Chuck/Rampage 3--Obvious big draw with 2 of their more recognizable guys
Lesner/Anyone-Not sure I would put a “name” in with him because he will draw on his own.
Penn/Huerta(ty, Cannon J)-If Huerta can get by Florian
Bisping/Leben-Could be a very exciting fight
Guida/Spencer Fisher—Could be another barn burner.

So I see it as a couple of big draws, a couple of great fighters, some potentially future superstars and a lot of action, but still leaving some for future cards.

"They said you was hung!!"

"And they was RIGHT!"

by BJJDenver on Jun 26, 2008 4:18 PM EDT   0 recs

Damn, I forgot about Chuck and Rampage fighting in Pride. Lesnar is a draw on his own. If you had Couture in the HW division, he and Nogueira would be an obvious choice. MW is tough. There are a lot of ways to go excluding the Spider, but unless someone emerges, what’s left for him there? There are a plethora of potential matches in LHW, WW, and LW.

by Cannon J on Jun 26, 2008 4:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed completely. MW has such a deep pool of fighters, but Silva has made it look somewhat shallow with his dominance. I’m an Almeida fan and I think that is the type of fighter that may be able to catch Silva, but realistically, there is nobody at 185 that he wouldn’t beat 8 or 9 times out of 10.

I think the key is to get some of those WWs and LWs on the undercard and show how exciting they are.

"They said you was hung!!"

"And they was RIGHT!"

by BJJDenver on Jun 26, 2008 4:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That’s an awesome fight card.

Sad thing is, it will NEVER happen. Dana White would never give a card like that away for free. He’s been trying to get UFC on network TV for years, but he is completely inflexible with control. He wants 100% production control, which I respect and, IMO is what separates UFC from becoming the freak show that EXC has become.

He’s making too much money on the PPV’s to just give it away.

by steak_knife on Jun 26, 2008 6:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, i agree. I just don’t see UFC as needing network TV, it just doesn’t seem like a good fit. Maybe they get a free card on Fox or ESPN instead of Spike once a year or something, but I just don’t see how they put a ppv quality card on.

EXC doesn’t have the established fanbase that UFC has, so they need that exposure and type of following, though in the long run, I’m not sure if it will help or hurt their product. And I haven’t really heard anyone saying, screw UFC, I can watch EXCBS, lol.

Although it wouldn’t be giving it away, I doubt if any network deal would be near what they would make off of ppv.

What I would like to see, is a joint UFC/WEC card every month on ESPN or something. This would be a card featuring up and comers, guys coming back and that type of fights. Have it as “Bud Light presents UFC/WEC Night of Fights on ESPN” or something to that effect, kind of like ShoXC, but a little higher end and more consistent.

Somehow, I get the feeling we may not be far off from having UFCTV, featuring all their past ppvs (but none less than 6 months old or so), UFNs, TUF seasons, original programs and WEC and Pride cards.

"They said you was hung!!"

"And they was RIGHT!"

by BJJDenver on Jun 26, 2008 7:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

ESPN

I could see that happening. Popularity for their show, MMA Live on espn.com is growing. They’ve already had Chuck Liddell and Kimbo Slice on the covers of ESPN Magazine. If they are truly are the ‘worldwide leader’ of sports, it only makes sense to sign the largest MMA promoter.

by steak_knife on Jun 26, 2008 8:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes

I’ve always thought ESPN/ESPN2 would be a great place for the UFC. They wouldn’t have to walk on egg shells in terms of blood and what not, but they would get into more homes with the top sports networks. Then, they could put some big shows – 3 to 4 times a year – on ABC with the same broadcast team. The sticking point would be control. I’m sure that ESPN would want to be able to use a team of their choosing to maintain some journalistic integrity. If the UFC got a favorable offer, it might happen with Lorenzo Fertita in a more prominent role. I can always dream, anyway.

by Cannon J on Jun 26, 2008 8:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

steak knife and cannon j…. their deal with spike is gonna preclude them from cutting a deal with anyone else on basic cable, so you won’t see a espn deal until after the spike contract is over which is three or four years away. i wonder if we will ever see espn try and get behind another mma brand as a way to do ppv…. espn tried to do this with boxing back in the 90’s but it failed miserably.

by robnashville on Jun 26, 2008 10:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That’s interesting. I hadn’t heard this, and there have been rumors about the the UFC possibly coming to terms with ABC/ESPN. I’m sure it could still happen. Spike would probably have to be compensated, however, if their current agreement is as you say. That, in and of itself, might be too much to overcome. I’ve always been impressed with how ESPN produced and covered sports – whether its NFL, NCAA, MLB, NASCAR, etc. Association with ESPN would also lend some added credibility. Spike deserves a lot of credit for being there in the beginning. Spike’s pretty much the UFC channel. They don’t have much more to offer than access.

by Cannon J on Jun 26, 2008 10:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If UFC was talking to ABC/ESPN, then they will more likely air on ABC, probably ESPN producing their telecast if UFC allows. They are coming to grips with handing control. They were instrumental with launching MMA Live, but didnt turn out the way they wanted, because they only wanted it to be exclusive to them

by The Bronzeville Bully on Jun 27, 2008 10:04 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The Ultimate card

I can’t wait for Kimbo to fight Gina. That has star power written all over it. It’ll be just like a WWE match, since that seems to be what many of you want.

by The_Vig on Jun 26, 2008 4:22 PM EDT   0 recs

Kimbo by TKO, rd 2.

"They said you was hung!!"

"And they was RIGHT!"

by BJJDenver on Jun 26, 2008 4:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Gina by gogoplata round 1.

by The_Vig on Jun 26, 2008 4:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don’t think Gina would make the 265 lb. limit.

by Mike Fagan on Jun 26, 2008 8:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

So no one wants to see Tito and Houston? You know they’ll bring Tito back for network television.

by lovingmma25 on Jun 26, 2008 4:28 PM EDT   0 recs

Tito would draw viewers. I’d rather see him fight Sokoudjou or a healthy Shogun.

by Cannon J on Jun 26, 2008 4:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think Tito would be a, if not THE, top draw for them. Even at this late date, it still wouldn’t surprise me to see him return to the UFC.

Just not sure who i would want to see him fight, but definitely not Chuck, lol.

"They said you was hung!!"

"And they was RIGHT!"

by BJJDenver on Jun 26, 2008 4:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Who wouldn’t want to see Liddell kick his ass again?

by Richard on Jun 26, 2008 5:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

So I take it Nebraska is not in the house?

by lovingmma25 on Jun 26, 2008 4:45 PM EDT   0 recs

He certainly could be, I just don’t think a take down, gnp fighter that is a big LHW would be the best match up for him. Everyone loves a good ko, now and then, so maybe against someone a little more his style on the undercard?

"They said you was hung!!"

"And they was RIGHT!"

by BJJDenver on Jun 26, 2008 4:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Jardine rematch. It’ll surely end with a KO. I just don’t know who’ll eat canvass.

by Johann on Jun 26, 2008 6:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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