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Shinya Aoki's New Submission

Everyone agrees that the submission Shinya Aoki pulled on Katsuhiko Nagata at DREAM 4 was the shizzle. But no one is quite sure what to call it.

As Michael David Smith from AOL Fanhouse says:

Shinya Aoki defeated Katsuhiko Nagata by first-round submission today at the Dream.4 event in Japan, and watching the way Aoki finished Nagata has me thinking Aoki might be the best submission artist in MMA right now.

Aoki's submission took advantage of his extreme flexibility to go from a full mount position to get his shin up toward Nagata's neck. It was so unique that no one is quite sure what to call it -- Jim Murphy at the Savage Science calls it an omoplata shoulderlock from the top mount, while Sherdog lists Aoki as having won with a gogoplata. Bas Rutten, calling the fight for HDNet, said he had never seen Aoki's submission before. When you've got a submission move that Rutten has never seen, you're doing something special.

Then you've got Matt C. over at 5oz calling it the Aoki-plata. Personally, I'm going with MMA-Core's nomenclature: the Locoplata.

UPDATE: As usual our readers are more knowledgeable than I. In the comments, Tanner Mathews explains that its a gogoplata from the top, something that Eddie Bravo has explained on DVD AND my colleague Nick Thomas points out that Shinya himself used the move in a grappling tourny a couple years back. Also the locoplata is already used by Bravo for a different move:

The locoplata is a gogo but you put your other foot thats free on your heel grab their arm and push with that foot. Thats the subtle difference between the gogo and eddie’s loco.

And to muddy the waters further, Nick Honstein won the 145lb title at the Kick Down 50: Milestone event in Denver, CO with the same move except he called it a locoplata and the official press release called it an "umoplata" (sic).

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What should Aoki's new submission be called?
Top-mount omoplata shoulderlock
40 votes
Reverse gogoplata
226 votes
Aokiplata
419 votes
Locoplata
68 votes

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Aoki submitted Hiroshi Tsuruya with the same thing in a grappling match two years or so ago. (Video at about ~2:22)

by Nick Thomas on Jun 16, 2008 3:00 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gangsta Lean/Monkey Mount Gogoplata

Man i’ve explained this about 3 times on various other sites. The gogo from the top is an Eddie Bravo technique from the Gangsta Lean/Monkey Mount. You lean to one side and use your opposite hand to post so they can’t roll you over. You bend one leg behind they’re head like you’re going to go for a triangle/armbar of some sorts. Instead of switching off to the side you to go for the armbar/triangle you put your wrist to your ankle and pull it up over there head. You use the shin to choke the person. You can either pull up on their head like Aoki did or grab your foot.

I have his 3 DVD set and it shows him showing Aoki the rubber guard in japan back in the pride days. This was the only video i could really find.

you can see him showing Aoki at 3:30

and here’s the gangsta lean to a triangle so you can kinda get the setup:

by TannerMatthews on Jun 16, 2008 3:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Videos

Sorry id idn’t know you couldn’t post videos. The link to him showing aoki is here:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hcCiUfSfAFg

And the gangsta lean to triangle is here:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8_IA7NuyD8s

by TannerMatthews on Jun 16, 2008 3:03 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yup

There it is. It’s not Aokiplata….It’s another eddie high as hell technique. That dude is insane.

by IHateMMA on Jun 16, 2008 4:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Topside Gogoplata should be a choice.

by SplitBreast on Jun 16, 2008 3:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Locoplata

Locoplata came from Eddie too. He didn’t do the loco plata though. The locoplata is a gogo but you put your other foot thats free on your heal grab there arm and push with that foot. Thats the subtle difference between the gogo and eddie’s loco.

by TannerMatthews on Jun 16, 2008 3:26 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A little clarification.

A gogoplata is a move performed from rubber guard or a simple open guard in which the person on the bottom drops the top guys to the ground, trapping it, and then the bottom person overhooks the trapped arm with the respective leg, and then inserts their foot or shin under the person’s chin, and then the submission is applied.

A locoplata is similar except the positioning of the bottom participant is slightly more lateral (towards the more flexible foot), and after the foot is placed on the top opponents’ throat, the bottom man grabs his own foot from the other side of the guy’s neck, and then uses his other free foot to push up on the trapping/choking foot at the heel.

The gangsta lean is to the mount as rubber guard is to an open guard. The slow-triangle can be achieved from here, but that’s is hardly relevant. However, Aoki used a positioning that is similar to the lean in order to trap the guys arm (similar to a standard gogoplata), and from their lever his arm over the guys face and onto his throat.

So, as a write-in, I would say given the mechanics of what Aoki did, it’s simply a gogoplata from mount, or you could call it an Inverted Gogoplata. Shinya is my favorite fighter, but I think it is unfair to attribute such a move to him (Aokiplata) because he did not invent it, nor was he the first to implement in a match (from the mount, yes he’s the first, but it’s still a gogoplata). I’ve seen numerous Eddie Bravo (among other) videos where he demonstrates different options from mount, and the gogoplata from the top is one of the moves he introduces, along with the gangsa lean and slo-triangle.

So pretty much, I’d opt for “Inverted Gogoplata.”

by KneeToTheFace on Jun 16, 2008 3:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Typos

I wrote that rather quickly so I misused some words but I think you should be able to understand it. :P

by KneeToTheFace on Jun 16, 2008 3:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks that’s pretty much what i was trying to say.

by TannerMatthews on Jun 16, 2008 3:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Considering he actually used his shin, perhaps it should could the Shinyaplata?

by -Sam on Jun 16, 2008 3:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I called it the sitting gogo. But then I don’t train so what the hell do I know?

by Gong on Jun 16, 2008 4:09 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey BE...

How about an update, putting up these vids TannerMathews just showed…

by IHateMMA on Jun 16, 2008 4:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What the hell?

Why is locoplata even on there? It is clear as day that he isn’t using his other foot to keep the head down. Banish it from the list.

It’s clearly a reverse or inverted Gogoplata. The names people are coming up with are ridiculous. Take the position and put Aoki on his back. It’s a gogoplata.

by Leland Roling on Jun 16, 2008 4:26 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I stand by my topside gogoplata. Isn’t a triangle from the top a topside triangle?

by SplitBreast on Jun 16, 2008 4:33 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dunno, just always called it a triangle.

by TannerMatthews on Jun 16, 2008 4:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nick Honstein pulled that move off at kickdown 50

contrary to what everyone thinks this is not the first time this move has been executed in an mma match. My good friend and training partner Nick Honstein pulled that exact same move off a few weeks ago at kickdown 50 in Denver, Co during the main even for the 145lbs pro title. I dont have any picks or videos yet but when they are availble ill post em and I will also try to find the artical from kickdownmma.com

by rememberdaname on Jun 16, 2008 4:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

heres the artical read 2nd paragraph.

LATEST NEWS

Kick Down 50: “Milestone”

Snyder takes care of business. New champions crowned on stellar evening.

Saturday evening in the Mile High city of Denver, Colorado a standing room only sell out crowd witnessed the 50th event in the history of the Kick Down which is a milestone for any promotion large or smaller. Because of the occasion the night included 12 bouts. 1 modified muay thai title and 11 mixed martial arts bouts of which 7 of those were to determine amateur and professional titles. Colby Snyder made his first title defense and took the fight to the challenger and for a fighter known more for his stand up skills it was Snyder who took the fight to the ground and worked the fight over against the fence and landed elbows and a ground domination before the bout was stopped by the referee due to strikes at 4:26 of round 1. Colby Snyder retains his Kick Light Weight title.

In other action Nick Honstein captured the Feather Weight title by what was described as a “loco plata” at 3:26 of the first round. Honstein is the new Kick Down Feather weight champion. Brian Cristina captured the Light Heavy Weight title vacated by Chris Camozzi (He won his fight Friday at MFC in Canada) by tap out due to exhaustion. Cristina fought Brett Shafer and the fought went back and forth with flurries, knees, ground work by both. Then Cristina began to take control of the fight and unable to defend, Shafer who was obviously winded tapped out. Don Lee made history with Geoff Brokx by being the first fighters to compete in the 6 sided cage in a muay thai fight and they did not disappoint. In a closely contested bout that both fighters “put on a show” it was Don Lee who won by split decision and captured the Light Weight title. Forrest Clouse retained his middle weight title by submitting Ben Hand in the first round and Adam Martinez captured the Jr. Light Weight title by handing the previously undefeated Mike Suksi his first loss.

RESULTS:

Colby Snyder defeated Daniel Douglass by referee stoppage due to strikes 4:26 R1

Nick Honstein defeated Tom Johnson by umoplata 3:21 R1

John Sargent defeated Jack Johnson by RNC at 2:47 R1

Brian Cristina defeated Brett Shafer by tap out due to exhaustion 2:52 R3

Robert Martinez defeated Cody Combee by referee stoppage due to strikes at 2:55 R1

Prentice Ingram defeated Joe Kaderli by Arm Bar at 1:44 R1

Forrest Clouse defeated Ben Hand by Arm Bar 1:15 R1

Adam Martinez defeated Mike Suksi by referee stoppage due to strikes R1

Matt Vigil defeated Mitchell Alexander by unan. decision 30-27 on all judges score cards.

Nick Olson defeated Josh Childress by rferee stoppage due to strikes R3

Logan Petro defeated Richard Large by triangle choke at 1:14 R2

Don Lee defeated Jeff Brokx by split decision R

by rememberdaname on Jun 16, 2008 4:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As others have said, this is not a locoplata. “Mounted gogoplata” or just “gogoplata” will suffice.

by Mike Fagan on Jun 16, 2008 5:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

With having Luke here I didn’t expect this type of thing to blow up on BE like it did on other sites. Seriously guys, he didn’t invent a move. Gogo from mount. Many white belts know, attempt and submit with it.

Thank you Mike Fagan.

by Simco on Jun 16, 2008 8:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't fret

I was in meetings all day. When I caught it, I called Nate directly. Swear on my life.

by Luke Thomas on Jun 16, 2008 9:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

its true

and even I should have known better, it’s obviously a gogoplata just from the top position.

by Kid Nate on Jun 16, 2008 10:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was wondering why you hadn’t said something about this. You’re usually on top of the Jiu jitsu shit. But never fear i was here :).

I’m just big into Eddies stuff, its insane, and I knew that Aoki trained his rubber guard with Eddie. I’ve just started trying to use the gangsta Lean and monkey mount so it was fresh in my head.

by TannerMatthews on Jun 16, 2008 10:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

...

Mounted gogoplata is the most accurate name for the technique.

Top mount omoplata shoulder lock is wrong becuase he wasn’t tapping to a shoulder lock (omoplata) it was from the choke with the shin bone (gogoplata).

Aokiplata is a good name too since he’s done it twice now.

by Scotty87 on Jun 16, 2008 9:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My vote is for mounted gogoplata too

I was going to suggest this but saw Scotty87 beat me to it. Also, I agree with Kneetoface that Aoki shouldn’t get his name on the move that was already in circulation (ever since the frickin’ Swickotine it’s like everybody wants to stamp their name on existing moves …)

by thetakeover on Jun 16, 2008 11:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well Kimura wasn't the first

to apply a shoulder lock either, he was just the first to break Helio Gracie’s arm with one.

by Kid Nate on Jun 17, 2008 12:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mounted gogoplata

I actually meant to say gogoplata first time around but I screwed up. I chalk it up to an overdose of MMA and the late hour. Now that I’ve looked at it again while awake I concur that its a gogoplata from the top mount.

by savagescience on Jun 17, 2008 2:57 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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