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The Growth of Judo in Mixed Martial Arts

I've been hearing some newer fans to the sport talk about their affinity for judo. They exaggerate the applicability of the art in MMA, but there is something to the growth and development of judo players in the sport or even just typical throws being properly executed by typical fighters. But to what extent do the top judo players in the judo sport make their way successfully into MMA? Sergio Non explores:

Among the thousands of MMA competitors over the years, few have a high-level judo background. The judomma.com site lists just 31 MMA fighters who have medaled in national or international judo competitions over the last two decades. Within that group, the number at MMA's elite level can be counted on two hands:

[Karo] Parisyan, winner of six belts at U.S. Judo's junior nationals before entering MMA. 

Pawel Nastula, who fought four times in Pride FC after a distinguished judo career that included two world championships, three European titles and a gold at the 1996 Olympics.

Hidehiko Yoshida, 1992 Olympic gold medalist and 1999 world before becoming a Pride favorite and now a headliner for World Victory Road.

Dong-Sik Yoon, Pride and Dream competitor, winner of the 2000 Asian Championships, bronze medalist at the 2001 worlds. 

Fedor Emelianenko, former Pride champion and a two-time bronze medalist in Russia's judo championships, although he's mainly known for his prowess in another grappling speciality, combat sambo.

Yoshihiro Akiyama, a K-1 superstar who now fights for Dream; he won the 2002 Asian Games and made the semifinals of the 2003 world championships, albeit with controversy over a slick uniform.

Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou, Pride and UFC fighter, 2001 U.S. Open champion.

Kazuhiro Nakamura, veteran of Pride and UFC, and a bronze medalist at Japanese nationals.

Of that group, Emelianenko is the only one who has won a title belt from a major MMA organization. 

The fighters in the judomma.com database have a combined MMA record of 175-83-4. Almost half of those wins come from five fighters: Emelianenko, Parisyan, Hector Lombard, Nakamura and Akiyama.

A few fighters have studied judo extensively, but lack wins at the sport's top level. They include Shinya Aoki, Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, Hayato Sakurai, Kazuo Misaki, Shonie Carter and Tsuyoshi Kohsaka. 

Even though the number of judokas remains small, it's an improvement from MMA's first few years, which were dominated by BJJ practitioners, wrestlers, shootfighters and strikers. Now, even some fighters who aren't necessarily judo specialists have incorporated its moves into their repertoire.

All too true, but there are some problems with this analysis.

First, in the case of Yoshida, Yoon, Akiyama and Nakamura, all have fought with the gi in MMA matches in Japan. Granted, they've also all fought without the gi, but the lack of consistency there makes drawing some conclusions difficult. Second, despite the fact that there are hundreds of throws, only a handful of throws have been used successfully in MMA: harai ogoshi, uchi mata, osoto gari, tai otoshi and various forms of seo nage. No gi jiu-jitsu has limitations in some respects and is a different game than the gi game, but it does, overall, adapt far better to MMA than judo. And while high level judo players have great submissions, "newaza" isn't as highly emphasized in judo circles as it is in jiu-jitsu. Lastly, there are a lot of throws that even if properly executed end up giving the opposition the thrower's back. Parisyan usually finds a way out of this, but wrestlers with good guard passing are much more able to land in dominant positions and avoid some of the recklessness that comes from throws.

Still, though, the growth of judo on MMA and the infusion of top judo players is yet another example of the continued evolution of MMA.

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Luke's a hater

Sure he knows all the names of the throws and shit but I know what I like - spectacular hip tosses!
all kidding aside
I think the key point from the article was that Fedor was the man who first brought effective judo to MMA - and since Fedor is the man period, that gives massive credibility to judo for MMA imo.
I don’t think its necessarily as directly adaptable to MMA as jiu jitsu (since ground fighting is 1/3 of the sport) but I do think its one of the best backgrounds to start out in MMA with - unlike wrestling, which probably is superior at pure takedowns, judo prepares a fighter for 2/3 of the sport - some takedowns/takedown defense and some submissions. Far better than any other traditional martial art which tend to have glaring holes in their game—no takedowns, no striking like jiu jitsu or no striking, no submissions like wrestling, or no takedowns no submission like muy thai/K1, etc.

by Kid Nate on Jun 13, 2008 10:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think it’s a matter of experimentation. Once judoka start trying no-gi randori, they’ll figure out what it is that Karo has figured out. In this interview, he seems to say that it’s a matter of getting an even stronger feel for the opponent’s balance.

by Carpal on Jun 13, 2008 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dong Hyun Kim and Yoshiyuki Yoshida are both supposedly pretty high level judokas

by smoogy on Jun 13, 2008 12:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

As is Paulo Filho, although that’s usually ignored because of his BJJ pedigree.

by FRANKIE on Jun 13, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup. Dong Hyun Kim majored in judo in college and landed an epic harai goshi in his last fight.

by Carpal on Jun 13, 2008 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But its not correct to suggest he’s high level. To my knowledge, he has no significant national or international achievements.

by Luke Thomas on Jun 13, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m a judo/jiu jitsu person and I see a lot of times that harai goshi or uchi mata can be used. I’ve done judo with a gi and I do submission wrestling without a gi but i’m still able to pull off harai goshi and uchi mata. when guys have an underhook/overhook against the cage and they already have there hips turned they’ve already started the throw. I think that the exposure of the back and lack of judo practice is what prevents them from trying the throw. I think theres a lot of room for judo throws especially against wrestlers who push forward a lot. They’re just not attempted very much besides the couple of people listed above.

I’m not a hip toss person because i’m about 6’2” and realistically with those throws its so hard to get underneath them when you’re a few inches talller.

by TannerMatthews on Jun 13, 2008 4:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm 6'4"

So it’s ankle pic city for me.

by Luke Thomas on Jun 13, 2008 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

joe stevenson in TUF final against luke Kumo?

perfect lh seio nage… last time i looked there was nothing saying he does/did judo (or maybe they do that in BJJ?). fighters are taking what they want from judo and using in MMA.

my pick – fighters will start using tai toshi to get fighters off the fence and fighters will start to use o goshi (and uki to some extent) in the clinch for throws/takedowns. Kata garumia (spelling?) will be the perfect take down from the clinch too.

judo ne waza = no attacks on the legs – hence judo players on the ground have great pins, arm bars and chokes but lack the sumbissions with ankles, rolling knee bars etc.

Hector Lombard was at sydney 2000 in judo too.

i got some judo players to watch the last UFC (their first time) and we cheered every time someone got a throw… yes, we even screemed ippon too… you’d be surprised how many times we cheered (and laughed).

by Ronnie Liddle on Jun 13, 2008 7:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That wasn't a seo nage

What Joe Stevenson hit on Luke Cummo is actually called a Jap Whizzer.

by Luke Thomas on Jun 13, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the judo community expects a full apology... Luke. :)

first round – 4:40… the very first takedown…. even rogan, said – ’ a beautiful takedown’.

by Ronnie Liddle on Jun 13, 2008 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

A takedown, but not a seo nage.

by Luke Thomas on Jun 14, 2008 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree all you like

Seo nage looks a lot like it, but the entry is different.

by Luke Thomas on Jun 14, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here

http://s7.invisionfree.com/The_Guillotine_Forum/ar/t8484.htm

It’s not just that he drops. He spins to get into it. Definitely a jap whizzer.

by Luke Thomas on Jun 14, 2008 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hector Lombard?

I know he’s not Elite yet but Hector Lombard deserves a mention, if you guys aint familiar with him get on Youtube and witness the raw power of this guy.

by TIGERTAOS on Jun 14, 2008 3:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Also Makoto Takimoto, although he may not have the best MMA record at 4-3, he was still able to get a win over Murilo Bustamente thanks in part to his Olympic gold medal- winning judo that he posesses.And yes WEC Middleweight champ Paulo Filho is also an experienced Judoka, i believe he even has a black belt but that may not be true

by thorgrim86 on Jun 21, 2008 5:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oh yeah and Big Nog “lacks wins at the sports top level?” haha im sure you probably meant little Nog, or Rogerio Nogueira, right? although he does have some good wins over Henderson, Sakuraba, and Alistair Overeem.

by thorgrim86 on Jun 21, 2008 5:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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