The Lyoto Machida Dilemma
As I sit back for a minute and rethink this fight, I can't help but look back to the last 1:45 seconds of the fight and think, what Tito could’ve done for his career had he used submissions earlier and throughout his career in the Octagon…but most importantly I thought to myself what does the UFC do with a guy as good as Lyoto Machida?
Let’s look back prior to UFC 84….
Lyoto Machida had a solid rank within the top 10 LHWs (Sherdog, mmaweekly). Some MMA Ugers even went as far as putting Machida amongst the top 5 UFC LHWs. Whoa, let’s not go to far MMA rubes. For reality sake, a top ten made more sense, in part based on his consecutive and impressive win streak in and out of the UFC and over some pretty notable opponents. Prior to UFC 84, Machida made each victory count, tallying four consecutive Octagon wins, 3 by decision and a dominating performance over a, then, top ten ranked Sokoujdou. The question remained, who should Machida fight next, a top ten, perhaps top 5 UFC LHW?
Fast forward to UFC 84 match making and Machida is presented with the opportunity to fight a Tito Ortiz. The same Tito Ortiz, who by Dana's standards is not even a top 10 fighter but a fighter who perhaps brings one of the largest fan bases in the world...which begs the question, what does a victory over Tito Ortiz seriously get Machida?
The UFC 84 aftermath….
Though Machida earned the victory, I'm not so certain this win put him in any better position for the short term. Thus leaves us with the Lyoto Machida dilemma. As 'elusive' and ‘tactical’ a fighter Machida is, it’s his fighting style that perhaps may be Lyoto’s and the UFC’s own worst marketing nightmare. The question still remains how do you market a fighter who has now rattled off five consecutive Octagon wins, 4 by unanimous decision over opponents outside the top 10? From a dollars and sense stand point, Lyoto made a fair $100,000 to Tito’s $210,000 salary. One could argue that Lyoto earned every penny but the question of Lyoto’s value still remains to be seen, especially for $100,000 a fight. As MMA fight ratings go, it takes two to tango and you take Tito Ortiz away from the equation and what do the average MMA fans think of Lyoto Machida in the short term?
From a PR perspective, it’s obvious the UFC will attempt to market Lyoto Machida as a silent assassin. However come fight time, will he do enough to entertain the crowd…pre fight, night of and post fight? As they say, styles make match ups however does Lyoto Machida bring a fighting style that exudes bad ass like a Chuck Liddell? Or the likeability of a Tito Ortiz?
It’s unfortunate to examine Andre Arlovski’s demise in the UFC and for the sake of this post I won’t however with that benchmark in mind, how many more fights and how much more patience Dana White has for a guy like Lyoto Machida?
So what now…..
Tito, love him or hate him, came away UFC 84 a winner. Whether he and Dana are able to reconcile their differences is another story, needless to say, it will be interesting to see where Tito finishes out his career. At the very least, I think fans will come away remembering one thing and that’s not Machida’s victory: Tito’s near submission attempt.
Lyoto’s record now stands at 13 wins and perhaps is one fight away from a title shot? Can we say Thiago Silva, Wanderlei Silva or Keith Jardine come step up to the plate? It will be interesting to see how the UFC handles Lyoto Machida in the long term, LHW champion or not? I just hope for his sake, he continues to grow his fan base because he’s just too talented a fighter to not watch….a la…Andre Arlovski and Yushin Okami.
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Does Tito’s sloppy submission attempt in the third round really make a fight where he was completely outclassed a win for him?
Nothing sloppy about the attempt
He just couldn’t hold onto it because of bad positioning on the roll over.
Isn’t poor positioning “sloppy” by definition, or is this somehow a matter of luck?
by Richard Wade on May 28, 2008 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the UFC got exactly what they wanted out of this fight. I agree with Richard, Tito did not walk away with a moral win and can not feel good about his unanimous decision loss. Lyoto, although the winner of the fight, was not overly exciting and did not gain a huge number of new supporters. He may have actually hurt himself as he has drawn criticism from some fans who liken his performance to that of Kalib Starnes from UFC 83. On top of that, Tito is not a top 10 LHW and due to his questionable style Lyoto should not be in line for a title shot yet. Dana White gets the last laugh on Tito while ensuring that another name stays out of the already over-crowded LHW contender picture. Could Dana have hoped for any more?
You're Right, Dana got exactly what he wanted...
While Dana White may have gotten what he wanted out of the fight, I think he may have hurt Machida’s value in some way.
It will take some time for the casual MMA fan to truly understand and perhaps appreciate Lyoto’s fighting style. And in fighting years, I’m not sure how much time fans are willing to give Machida? While not completely showcased on Saturday, Lyoto offered just a glimpse of what he’s completely capable of on the ground and on his feet, thus leaving some fans feeling a little empty despite the fact he (by the judges standards) won all 3 rounds. Not too mention he beat a guy who by all accounts was fighting his last fight in the UFC.
Definitely chalk this one up as a victory for Dana first and foremost. But if indeed Machida is being groomed as a serious LHW contendor, will the UFC be able to successfully market him? I’m not so sure…..Perhaps the Ultimate Fighter – Mir vs. Nogueira may sort of help answer that question?
by Gregory Kim on May 29, 2008 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions

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