More Views of Machida
Three interesting takes on Machida that have been posted the last couple of days:
A lot of people are falling in line with the hype machine, saying that Machida is “elusive” and “confounding” like that’s something we should give him props for. No one wants to be called an “ignorant fan”, so rather than call a spade a spade they’re nodding and agreeing that Machida is simply amazing. And while he might be good at what he does, he still fucking sucks. And here’s why:
Simply put, actively keeping a fight from happening and then winning on two or three exchanges is bullshit. Let’s look at this in terms of another sport: Imagine there was a basketball team out there that decided to play the game in a completely different way. They set up a system where they completely stifle all offense, and win the game 7-3. While you can be impressed at the team’s amazing defense and their ability to completely neutralize all play, is that really something that should be applauded?
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. has done this throughout his career in boxing and the guy is considered the best pound for pound boxer in the world and one of the best ever. He’s loved by millions while Machida is a villain. I don’t understand that. Machida is outstanding at not getting hit and making sure that he hits you when he has the chance. What is so wrong about that?
Did you expect him to get into a slugfest with Tito Ortiz? Did you expect him to stand right in front of him and allow Ortiz space to take him down? If you’ve watched Machida before then you know exactly what to expect. He never plays into his opponents’ strengths and that’s what makes him so good.
And Rami Genauer drops some science :
If you watched this fight, you saw the extremely rare occurrence of an upper-echelon fighter scoring zero points in a full round. In the first round of the fight, Tito Ortiz attempted 18 strikes and two takedowns. He landed none of them. In fact, it took Ortiz a full eight minutes before he landed his first significant offensive technique. FightMetric awards points for effectiveness based on the historical quality of techniques landed. In the first round, Machida out-pointed Ortiz 41-0. In the second round, it was 62-2.
I'd have more sympathy for Fightlinker's position that Machida is a new pestilence if I found him boring to watch, but I don't, I dig what he's doing. This Sherdog post from Rambamatic sums up one of my fascinations with Machida -- his effective use of traditional karate in MMA:
His fighting style is very much traditional karate based in its strategy and execution. Like Cung Le, for example, here is a fighter that brings a traditional martial art into the ring and makes it work. This is a very important aspect of his game that has ramifications beyond just Machida as a fighter....it challenges a number of assumptions that we have had about TMA's since MMA changed our outlook.
What I find very interesting here is that Machida's style...the counter-fighting style of constant motion, creating angles and waiting for your opponent to enter, then moving in, hitting very quickly, and getting out; as well as the strategy of waiting for your opponent to make small mistakes and then immediately moving in, capitalizing on that mistake, and then disengaging, is classic Karate from Kumite and full contact sparring.
Machida uses this very effectively, and SO DOES CHUCK LIDDEL. However, when Chuck moves in, he can afford to stand in front of his opponent and swing more punches because he has such huge KO power. Machida does not have that KO power, so he moves out and disengages much faster because he knows he doesn't have the luxury of standing in front of his opponent like Chuck does.
However, in both of their styles, you can very clearly see the Karate background and influence of both fighters. For example, Chuck does this thing that only he does, and does it very well; he stands right over downed opponents and hits them from a standing position....and he does it all the time, and in a position that no other fighters really do. That particular style is right out of KaJuKenBo, which is the style that Hackelman's lineage comes from, and which is very common in Kempo.
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Braving the Sherdog Heavyweights forum just to compile an article is a commendable feat.
Or were you linked?
by Simco on May 28, 2008 12:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
read it everyday
what can i say, i’m a tard.
by Kid Nate on May 28, 2008 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FightLinker is a moron
The basketball analogy is retarded. It’s what the Spurs do all the time and win titles because of it. It got the Pistons their championship. I guess winning championships is a bad thing because the Suns are the most exciting team in all of the NBA yet what have they won over the last several years with their all offense , no defense strategy? Nothing. Great job FightLinker, you just proved why Machida is a great fighter rather than prove why he is not. If not getting hit is a bad thing, then I don’t want to be apart of what’s right. And I’m sure Machida doesn’t, either. Machida reminds me of what basketball was like before the implementation of the shot-clock back in 1954. Do people not remember Bob Cousy and his famous “stalling” tactics while dribbling the basketball before the shot-clock ear? He got into the Hall of Fame, so why should we bash Machida for doing effectively the same stragety? We shouldn’t. And it’s a double-standard if we do. Get a clue people. What Machida does inside the octagon is poetry in motion. It’s sheer brilliance. It’s simply beautiful. If you don’t like it, change the channel. Don’t order the PPVs that he’s apart of and don’t call yourself a fan. If all you want to do is see guys go crazy in there and wade through a myriad of punches just to hopefully flatten the other guy out, then you are either a drunk or a guy calling yourself a true fan when you don’t understand the ins-and-outs of Mixed Martial Arts. FightLinker, cease posting. You have no credibility.
"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill
by FlyByKnight on May 28, 2008 1:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I believe the term you are looking for is Fightlinker is Wrong
I like what Machida does, that won’t stop me from saying how boring it is if I’m making a joke but I can dig it.
What he did against Ortiz was the most perfect example of what to do against a fighter who wants to take you to the ground. Pick your shots, avoid the clinch and circle out. He does it to a tee and he gets chastised for it.
He should employ the Crane Kick from Karate Kid 1 and everyone will be eating out of his hand… provided they can get to it.
by SamCupitt on May 28, 2008 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He outstruck Tito, stuffed ALL of Tito’s takedowns attempts, took Tito down once himself, and nearly finished the fight two different times (the end of the first round and after the knee in the third round). Instead of blasting Machida, how about Tito chasing him and playing into his gameplan nearly the entire fight?
by Tonley on May 28, 2008 1:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe i'm wrong....
but Machida’s style is exactly whats wrong with boxing today. Fighters fighting not to lose instead of fighting to win. Pushing the pace in my opinion is what separates the excitement of MMA from the boredom on modern day boxing. Go watch some Hagler – Hearns fights and see if those guys were trying to win on points.
by nitro on May 28, 2008 3:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think it’s fair to say Machida was only trying to win on points when if the first round were thirty seconds longer he would have won by TKO there. He also nearly finished Ortiz again in the third round following that knee at which point he tried to finish and was nearly caught in a submission attempt.
by Richard Wade on May 28, 2008 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I don’t get is why posters like Fightlinker believe MMA is only about a certain type of fighter or fighting? The sport is Mixed Martial Arts. Machida does that perfectly. His stand up, his ground game, his grappling, his game plan – it’s all a part of being a smart fighter. Standing in front of someone while they throw punches at you in the hopes that your punches will be more effective is about as effective as a coin toss.
I believe there is room enough for all styles of fighting in MMA. As exciting as standing and banging is, not everyone can or should be like Wanderlei Silva or Chris Leben.
by pud333 on May 28, 2008 4:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not that Fightlinker needs defending but all you bullcrap technical analysts are being the exact snobs that he speaks of. I thought Machida’s 1st round was excellent for all the reasons mentioned above. But the real reason I was impressed was the clinch & subsequent takedown. I did not think he had the strength or technique to throw a larger, stronger opponent like that. Round 2 was dreadful. There was almost no effective offense by either opponent. Round 3 was slightly better but not thrilling. Take away that huge knee (which was absolutely beautiful) & there was very little to score. Machida would have gotten an excellent score on Dancing With The Stars, not in MMA. And the references to boxing & “winning” are relevant to the sports growth with a major exception. I’m a big boxing fan but guys like Hopkins (whom I am a big fan) & Floyd are the ones who usually do just enough to win & don’t try to inflict serious damage. Look at Floyd’s UGLY fight w/Hatton. He negated Hatton’s rough tactic offense while doing just enough to win rounds. Finally, he unleashed a devastating hook that put Hatton away. While it reminded me how skillful Floyd is, it also reminds me that he never threw a big punch like that against Oscar. He was content to dance & peck at him. I don’t want to see sluggers, but I do want to see guys try to finish. Machida dominated Sokoudjou & that was thrilling. But that wasn’t the type of performance he put on against the aging dinosaur of the sport that Ortiz has become. I can’t wait for Machida’s next fight. Yet I hope it is an inspired, confident, offensive & intelligent Machida. The guy that all of the “experts” are clamoring over.
by frickshun on May 28, 2008 8:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not a big fan of Machida, I can appreciate his technical prowess but that doesn’t mean I particularly look forward to his fights. Thankfully the fight was interesting because it had a big storyline and the 3rd round proved to be exciting enough to rescue the whole match. If the fight didn’t have the storyline or the exciting finish it would have been a dud in my opinion and this is the UFCs biggest problem. Machida, while he wins, does not make for a particularly exciting match.
by pr0cs on May 28, 2008 10:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I love Machida for several reasons. He comes across as humble and respectful, is surprisingly strong and impossibly quick, and he’s representing all karateka in MMA. If you’re getting hit - AND hurt - and you’re unable to return the favour, you’re getting beat. There’s no way around it.
by IImastersII on May 28, 2008 11:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Boring
Machida, even to someone who has watched MMA for years, is boring. Hearing one of my favorite commentators in Joe Rogan having to say how elusive Machida is over 10 times in 15 mins was sickening. Chuck is Elusive but kicks the crap out of people. Machida is elusive and does nothing that makes anyone excited.
by MrNiceGuyMMA on May 28, 2008 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's be fair here
Chucks arms are about three times longer than Machida’s. Maybe an Anderson Silva comparison?
by asa on May 28, 2008 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The last point is why I think that’s exactly the fascination with Machida lies. He is somehow the justification for lots of little boys time wasted doing kata. The fact of the matter is, if you replace him with someone like Andrei Arlovski doing the same thing and his fights are suddenly less mystifying.
His victories have less to do with karate and more to do with MMA. His karate instructor didn’t teach him the Thai plum, takedowns from double underhooks, nor did it teach him effective triangle defense. In terms of damage dealt on the feet he is terrible – on the ground, its a different story. He is a winner, that is for sure, but for how long?
by zeroword on May 28, 2008 6:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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