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Tito and The Countdown

The countdown to UFC 84 show was very interesting.  There was a new style that was more like the HBO specials than past countdown specials, and it was very good.

On the steroid front, they acknowledged it, but did not focus on it.  The result was a hype show that was about 10 times less effective in making me want to see Penn and Sherk fight than their press conference the other day was.

I was bummed on the show...but then Tito Ortiz saved the day.  The second half of the countdown was pure gold in building the Machida fight, and it all built to the end, where he said he would look into the eyes of the Fertitta brothers, say "thank you," and then look at Dana White and say "fuck you."  I am so stoked to see Machida and Ortiz.  The stylistic questions on top of the Dana/Tito story makes it the most intriguing fight so far this year.

It is absolutely mindboggling to me that Dana does not see the drawing potential in his feud with Tito Ortiz.  UFC has done its best when it combined storyline elements from WWE with the realism of MMA.  In Tito/Dana, they have the equivalent of the Austin/McMahon feud that skyrocketed WWE to historic success.  Not only do they have the same magic here...it's better, because it's real.  If Dana really is a good businessman, he will recognize this and keep Ortiz on the roster.  For the last year there have been endless articles and messageboard posts attacking Dana's decisions.  For the most part, I've found the attacks baseless and ill-informed.  If Dana lets Tito go, even with a victory, then he really is not the businessman I thought he was.

It's too early to make a buys prediction, because everything depends on the couple days before the fight, but I think this show will do on the upper end of 450,000-500,000 buys.  With this kind of card on a holiday weekend and a month after the last show, it was always going to do 375-400, but Tito may have pushed it up a major notch.

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You’re right. This kind of hatred for each other is kind of tough to make up. What happens with Tito will be interesting to see, because as much of a blowhard Tito is, he’s still a big draw. We’ll see which side of Dana is more dominant: the business man, or the petty, vindictive man.

As for the fights, definitely looking forward to Machida working Tito over… to a split decision win. Haha.

by pud333 on May 21, 2008 4:26 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually it nearly happened a few years ago, theres video online somewhere when Tito and Dana were going to fight, it followed both of them training and right on the last day they cancelled the fight…

by mma-fight-video on May 21, 2008 5:30 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To make it clear, I am not suggesting the two fight. Just keeping the feud alive and having Dana line up guys to embarrass/beat Ortiz is money alone.

by Michael Rome on May 21, 2008 5:55 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ummmm...

Shouldn’t the fact that Tito isn’t really in title contention any more have something to do with his staying or leaving? He hasn’t been at the top of his game for a while – it’s time for him to be put out to pasture.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.

by jemaleddin on May 21, 2008 7:48 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Asses in Seats

But this business is all about putting asses in seats (as are all sports, on the business front), and if Tito’s feud with Dana does that, then whether or not he’s in title contention is largely irrelevant. Moreover, are you suggesting that everyone else on the UFC’s roster are in line for a title shot (or perhaps you’re just suggesting that everyone should be a contender for the title)? Because I believe this is an error on your part.

by Estrada on May 21, 2008 9:11 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nope

That’s clearly not my point, sir. My point, which is quite limited, you’ll note – is that being in title contention should have something to do with people being in the UFC, to include Tito. Reality rarely yields to what I think should be, however.

They don’t pick which teams play in the Superbowl or the World Series based on which teams are the biggest draws. That’s because, even though they’re HUGE businesses, they’re sports first. I just want to see MMA treated as a real sport.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.

by jemaleddin on May 22, 2008 12:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yea, part of it is putting asses in the seats…however, it would be pretty stupid to pay Tito MORE than he is currently making when he is nowhere near the top of the 205lb weight division. He’s still a draw…but you can’t give ALL the credit to Ortiz in terms of the PPV #’s on the cards he is featured on. Liddell, Couture and Ken Shamrock are three of the biggest names in MMA….people were not buying those cards solely because of Ortiz.

by Tha Realness on May 21, 2008 2:26 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You know, if Tito were to win, and then re-sign, he probably wouldn’t be far out of the title shot picture. I would say one more good win and he is in line. I actually think a Tito/Rampage match is kind of intriguing.

I really like Machida, but I’m picking Tito in the fight. He is a big lhw and if he fights smart, he could be a bad match-up.

"They said you was hung!!"

"And they was RIGHT!"

by BJJDenver on May 21, 2008 2:28 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That was nice to have a show where the fighters sell the card, not the president. All of the hype, with none of the fat(head).

by smoogy on May 21, 2008 3:54 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol @ the gif!

I was waiting for them to show him standing on a post doing the Crane technique!

"They said you was hung!!"

"And they was RIGHT!"

by BJJDenver on May 21, 2008 4:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hasn’t Ortiz said the UFC has offered him a contract that would likely pay him more than he can get elsewhere? What more do you want them to do?

by Richard Wade on May 21, 2008 5:52 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well,

I think Tito wants Dana to publicly fellate him. But after seeing how the boxing match got spun, I wouldn’t try to put that in my contract, were I him.

Seriously though: While the UFC might be offering more money than other promotions can, that doesn’t mean that Tito would make more money there, given the stringent rules on sponsors, likeness rights and exclusivity. He could probably get more fights with a wider range of sponsors in another league, and he might make more overall. Hard to say, but I guess he likes his odds.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.

by jemaleddin on May 22, 2008 12:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He made it sound like despite the money being better in the UFC, he can’t tolerate being associated with Dana White any longer. I honestly have no idea what the actual details are either, so it’s all just speculation, I guess.

by Richard Wade on May 23, 2008 4:35 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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