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MMA in Need of A Sanctioning Body? Nah

Earlier today Kid Nate posted an interesting juxtaposition of ideas on the current need (or lack thereof) for an MMA sanctioning body.  Fightlinker responded to Dave Meltzer calling for said sanctioning body by pointing out the mess that boxing has found itself in.

Frequent contributer to the site Robnashville pointed out what a lot of people do when he said:

WBA/WBC/IBF vs UFC/Dream/EliteXC ..... ummm, i'm not seeing the difference there, FL.

There is a very big difference between the MMA promotions and the boxing alphabet "sanctioning bodies" and it is very simple.  It all comes down to placement of power.

As Bob Verdi put it "Boxing is a rather amorphous body, though recognizable because it is headless."

In boxing the money is controlled by promoters, then the alphabets.  Organizations line the WBA/WBC/IBF all exist to gather money off of fees by "sanctioning fights."  What happens is an endless circle of corruption and basically a fancy money laundering scheme.  It is pretty much just considered common practice that a promoter get his guys ranked highly by the commissions by underhanded business tactics.  So a promoter uses influence to get his fighter ranked highly by an organization.  That organization can then declare him a "mandatory challenger" for the championship.  This means that the champion now must defend his title against that mandatory challenger in the next fight (or sometimes within a set amount of time) or risk being stripped of the title.  This is how we often end up not seeing the true top boxers face off but instead taking on manditory challengers with no track record justifying their position in the rankings.

Now the champion and his promoter have to make a deal to fight the mandatory because, hey...let's face it, championship fights draw more interest and money than non-title bouts.  The commission now gets to take a fee from each fighter just so that the fight can be "for the title."

Commissions have little to no interest in putting together the best matchups but rather just satisfying the crazy whims of the Don Kings and Bob Arums of the world.

Where things get even weirder is that these commissions pull corrupt moves that go against their own initial corrupt plans.

See Carlos Manuel Baldomir upsetting Zab Judah for the IBF, WBA and WBC world titles in 2006.  Baldomir chose not to pay the sanctioning fees of the WBA and IBF.  So what did the IBF do?  Decided that Zab Judah should remain IBF champion...even after losing.  What about the WBA?  They decided to put their title on Luiz Collazo, not even making him fight.  The WBC had declared Baldomir the mandatory challenger, which was likely the reason why he chose to pay their sanctioning fees.  The sheer amount of sanctioning fees that have to be paid in situations like this serve as a punishment to actually try to clean up the convoluted title picture.  Judah came in as champion of three different bodies, Baldomir defeated him and we were left with three different men holding titles.

Now in MMA you have power (and money) controlled by independent organizations.  The focus of a promotion like the UFC is to make the most money possible.  And while this does at times mean that fighter purses seem disproportionately small, it also means that fans are generally treated to the fights they most want to see.  Sure cross-promotional dream matches remain in the minds of fans rather than in the cage/ring/YAMMA thingy but when a promotion can do a fight that is both good for the fans, and good for their wallets it is likely going to happen.

A lot of people clamor for an "Ali Act" in MMA.  But the point of the Muhammad Ali Boxing Reform Act was to provide guidelines for boxing as it had no league or central rule-making body.  MMA has several leagues, each providing their own rules (within the guidelines of state athletic commissions).  An "Ali Act," at least the exact point of the act, doesn't work for MMA.  I don't disagree with the need for slightly more oversight into the contracts fighters sign, but generally I think the current landscape of MMA is a lot better than people credit it as being.  This is especially true when compared to boxing.  When a fighter is a free agent he is able to seek out the best deal from a large group of organizations.  He is not forced to pay fees to compete in these organizations should his ultimate goal be to be champion.  A fighter in MMA has options galore in a sport where promotions want to put on the best and most compelling matches possible.

While in boxing...well I'll leave you with another Bob Verdi quote that is all too often true:

"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."

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Re: MMA in Need of A Sanctioning Body? Nah
What needs to be said here is that if not for the UFC and their exclusive fighter contracts, the MMA landscape could very well be the alphabet soup of boxing. A prime example would be Phil Baroni, he went from getting his ass kicked by Frank Shamrock in Strikeforce, to somehow being considered as a contender for the Icon belt. This is a guy with a 10-9 record, how does that happen? The UFC is now and could always potentially be the Major Leagues of MMA. If Zuffa would just find a more polished person to front their company, and maybe a bit more tact in the production of their shows. I mean I'm sure the CEO of Anheuser Busch frequently uses the term "rape choke".

by nitro on Apr 8, 2008 1:19 AM EDT   0 recs

Re: MMA in Need of A Sanctioning Body? Nah
I agree but I think that in most cases we hold MMA to standards that we don't in any other sport.  We're holding the UFC responsible for something that a commentator said?  When someone involved with the NFL says something out of line the focus isn't put on the NFL but rather the individual.

And you pretty much answered your own question.  The size of an organization has a lot to do with who is considered a contender as well as fan interest.  Fan interest in Baroni/Hose was very high and it helped ICON to put that fight on their card.  Baroni was a guy with experience in just about all the biggest companies in MMA history and putting him against Hose for a smaller promotion's title made fine sense.  Baroni was inches from finishing the fight on more than one occasion in the first round.

What I'm really saying is that in MMA you're getting fights based more on fan interest than on the interests of the promoters and sanctioning bodies like you get with boxing.  I've got to think that is a better and less corrupt way of doing things.  And this is from a boxing fan.

by brentbrookhouse on Apr 8, 2008 1:29 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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I too am also a boxing fan. I also dont believe that a sanctioning body is needed. I love the fact that the majority of the best fighters are all under one banner. But that is solely due to the fact that the UFC has the money (and consequently the power to corrupt) and does not allow their fighters to fight under any other promotions. The UFC represents MMA, and as much as all of us love all of the smaller promotions, there is clearly a gap between #1 and #2. And if they would just clean up their act, they could become a legitamate and well respected company. It's a shame that Zuffa's "minor league" promotion, WEC puts on a more proffesional product than its counterpart. By the way your NFL analogy is not relevant because the NFL does not control the prodution of their shows, CBS, Fox, & ABC do, and furthermore when it comes to character Dana White wouldn't even be in the same zip code as Roger Goodell.

by nitro on Apr 8, 2008 1:50 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: MMA in Need of A Sanctioning Body? Nah
All valid points.  And yes, the size of the UFC in relation to the smaller promotions certainly leaves the door to corruption open and absolutely allows them to put a lockdown on their fighters ability to fight outside of their org.  But the idea that fighters should be able to fight in other promotions only REALLY makes sense to fans (or fighters that want to fight somewhere else).  In a sport where record dictates SO much a promotion can be hurt deeply when they have to explain that yeah, their champion is coming off of a brutal KO loss.  Then add in the frequency of injuries in the sport (not to mention mandatory suspensions for TKO/KO losses) and you can have a fighter fight outside of your promotion and lose them from your roster for a large chunk of time.

There is a reason why NFL, MLB, NBA...etc players have to sign contracts stating that they can't ride motorcycles (in most cases), play in recreational sports leagues...etc.

But I couldn't agree more on the production values of the UFC.  I just don't fault the UFC for Rogan saying something incredibly dumb.  Then again, I like Rogan as a broadcaster and think that the "rape choke" thing was just a one off stupid remark.  Were Dana a serious "man in charge" he'd probably have grabbed Rogan after the show and smacked him on the nose with a rolled up newspaper and given him a "bad doggie" chat.  Situations like saying rape choke on national TV or Manny's stupid fake touching gloves are the times and places for the angry Dana White to come out (behind the scenes).

by brentbrookhouse on Apr 8, 2008 10:09 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: MMA in Need of A Sanctioning Body? Nah
All I have to say is great article Brent. One of the best reads I have had in quite some time, across all different forms of media print. You should be proud of this article, I know I would be.

by mattwatt on Apr 8, 2008 2:40 AM EDT   0 recs

Re: MMA in Need of A Sanctioning Body? Nah
I have gained new understanding of the world of boxing.  Thank you.

by AJB on Apr 8, 2008 11:49 AM EDT   0 recs

Re: MMA in Need of A Sanctioning Body? Nah
"WBA/WBC/IBF vs UFC/Dream/EliteXC ..... ummm, i'm not seeing the difference there, FL."

My main intent with this line was to put forth the idea  that while many folks seem to see the mma model as somehow superior to the boxing model... in the end you have basically the same thing:  disparate bodies handing out belts willy nilly with a true notion of who the best fighters in each weight class being lost as a consequence.  In boxing you have more cross promotional (Arum/King/golden Boy) match-ups but, for many of the reasons you mentioned above about the sanctioning bodies, the belts still end up all over the place.  While in MMA, you have strict promotional ties, with little co-mingling of top talent and rarely concrete results to validate one's claim to be the best in a given weight division.  

While i agree with your blasting of boxing's nefarious sanction bodies (WBC's Jose Suliman may be the most corrupt man in sports), I don't see the current structure of MMA as a panacea or better mousetrap.  In mma, the seeming improvement over the boxing structure  is that when pointing fingers at who screwed you over... there's one less finger to point since your promoter is also your de facto sanctioning body.  If you got promised a title shot, bro, and you didn't end up getting it, you won't be asking "Don't you know who i am?," you just suck it up and take the next fight offered because the sanctioning body that gave and revoked your title shot is also the guy signing your paychecks.... good luck fighting city hall....

I'm not sure what the happy medium is but neither MMA as we know it now or boxing as it has de-evolved is it.
 

by robnashville on Apr 8, 2008 5:09 PM EDT   0 recs

Re: MMA in Need of A Sanctioning Body? Nah
Yeah, I didn't mean to single you out.  It's just that I see the argument come up a lot.  And I didn't want to feel like I was disrespecting you by doing the "some people say things like this"  you said it...you get the cred for it.  Certainly not a shot at you.

by brentbrookhouse on Apr 8, 2008 5:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: MMA in Need of A Sanctioning Body? Nah
no prob...... re-reading what i said, i was very vague, not really getting across the point on paper/cyberspace  what i was thinking in my head...... but if my vagueness can lead to more excellent pieces  like the post it spawned, then my posts from now on will be a riddle wrapped inside an enigma.... your piece was an excellent snapshot of what is wrong with boxing and what should be avoided in mma....

believe me, i'm no proponent  of sanctioning for MMA, i don't want to see the folks over at WAMMA get their grubby hands on the sport...

by robnashville on Apr 8, 2008 6:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: MMA in Need of A Sanctioning Body? Nah
robnashville - you are a respected member of the BE community. As such, you are expected to share your ideas and let others evaluate them. It's a lot of pressure, but you can definitely handle it.

by Luke Thomas on Apr 8, 2008 9:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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