Kimbo Slice: What The Fans Really Want
David Mayeda ponders the question of why Kimbo Slice is a bigger media figure than MMA talent with significantly better credentials. More than that, actually, Mayeda essentially tackles who the fighters are, what the represent, what they do outside of the sport, how they carry themselves, what statements they make and beyond. He overtly states he doesn't blame Slice for his own hype - that belongs to Shaw and EliteXC - but he does reach this conclusion:
It's a reasonable sentiment, but ultimately represents the worldview of a very narrow segment of the population that watches MMA.
Travis Lutter, and to a lesser extent Jay Larkin, said it best: MMA fans suck. I know that's a cheap generalization, so let me unpack it a little.
There is a distinct blue collar tone to the overwhelming number of UFC/MMA fans in America. That doesn't necessarily imply those blue collar fans aren't interested in the finer points of the sport including an understanding of in-depth technique, but it most certainly doesn't rule it out either. More importantly, what's become clear in the wake of UFC rivals (EliteXC notwithstanding...yet) slowly dying out is that the UFC product - and less the sport - carries the day. The layers of appreciation for the typical fan of MMA (i.e. the UFC) certainly go beyond the entertainment of violence, but don't extend very far into appreciation for technique, philanthropic virtues or the normal metrics reserved to judge athletes in other sports. It's a sad reality, but a huge chunk of the sport's fanbase is there for story line entertainment, violence, some athleticism, and an enormous amount of vicarious heroism. Booing, for them, is perfectly acceptable. Sure they came to see athletes, but they came to see athletes duke it out and present a display as jarring as their imagination takes them. They did not come to appreciate the finer subtlties of MMA fight sport.
Mayeda's worldview is perfectly reasonable to the sort of fan who reads this site or others like it. I don't accurately have a grasp on what separates the different types of fan, although suffice to say, I can usually tell very quickly which one is which. To us, though, Kimbo Slice is an intriguing figure and one worthy of attention. But that attention shouldn't come at the expense or ahead of fighters who are truly at the upper echelon of the sport. To us, what's intriguing is violence, story line and entertainment. In that sense, we are no different than any other fan. But the premium we place on the exercise of talent in as granular a form as we can comprehend far exceeds what the typical fan is even prepared to offer.
Putting Kimbo Slice on the main event of EliteXC's CBS show makes perfect sense. For better or worse, his name and aura - with all of it's flaws - is going to put asses in seats and eyeballs on the television screen. His all but certain knockout over James Thompson will compensate for any lack of technical prowess to the typical fan in attendance or watching on television. Whether he'll convert folks who weren't fans before is a matter yet to be seen, but he'll absolutely "feed the machine".
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by Onan on Apr 29, 2008 11:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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Also, Kimbo, despite his developing skill, is being featured on the top bill in the country arguably ever. Yet, he doesn't have the talent many of the fighters on the undercard likely have. There is no real equivalent of this phenomenon in other sports. Yes, there was some of this in Atlanta with Michael Vick. He failed to ever get a Super Bowl ring yet was able to have the best selling jersey in the entire NFL. But Vick also had a noteworthy college career and managed to make it to the professional level on clear ability and talent. For all his professional shortcomings, he was able to beat the Packers at Lambeau in the playoffs. He showed flashes of brilliance and that enabled Falcon fans to keep hope that eventually Vick would carry the team. In other words, while he was obviously kept around to sell out the Georgia Dome at home games, he also was forced to win games. The pressure to perform seems a little greater in other sports, particularly as their are rival leagues and organizations which can feature lackluster talent by matching them up equally lackluster talent.
by Luke Thomas on Apr 29, 2008 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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The pressure to perform seems a little greater in other sports. With MMA there is particularly less as there are rival leagues and organizations which can feature lackluster talent by matching them up equally lackluster talent.
by Luke Thomas on Apr 29, 2008 12:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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There are very few people who could be considered "stars" in other sports having that low of a success ratio. Whereas some stars get the status through outside exploits (T.O.) or through occasional spectacular plays that overshadow their shortcomings (Vick) they still perform at a level that in some way warrants their status in the sport.
We are much more closely related to pro wrestling as far as who gets top billing than any other real "sport." The absolute best will always end up rising to the top levels despite any charisma issues...etc. But general marketability will always be much more important than pure skill.
by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 29, 2008 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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A better example of match making with lackluster talent and producing a better product would be MMAC is DC last year. The card was devoid of stars, but delivered on excitment in a big way. Any time you say "Who the hell are these guys" before the match and "Wow, that was a great fight" after.
by szucconi on Apr 29, 2008 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Kid Nate on Apr 29, 2008 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by szucconi on Apr 29, 2008 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 29, 2008 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by szucconi on Apr 29, 2008 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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What I was talking about was that a Kimbo or Tank has a better ability to sell a show than say...a Jake Shields. Shields is undoubtedly a better fighter on a technical level and you're likely to have a better fight in a technical sense from him than a Kimbo or Tank. The point I was making is that performance dictates your worth to a promotion less in MMA than in other sports, as just pure "star power" is much more important.
by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 29, 2008 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Just because it is popular doesn't mean it is good, or the people that make it popular are smart or have good qualities.
Just because you sell a million records, it does not mean shit, just means a million people are as dumb as shit.
There will always be uneducated onlookers who have different values of entertainment, and the less educated the onlooker, the more value Kimbo's entertainment has.
by DirtyML on Apr 29, 2008 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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You'd better believe that I'd have been trying to sign Kimbo if I were running an MMA promotion.
by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 29, 2008 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I like both.
The perfect fight is a physical manifestation of Once Upon a Time in the West.
by AnonymousA on Apr 29, 2008 3:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What the Fans Want
I think he's got a pretty legit shot at taking down Kimbo in this fight and giving us all a chance to see if Kimbo's got any ground game at all. I think Colossus has been training at Extreme Couture -- right? Pretty decent track record for guys coming out of there.
War Megapunk.
by Realhoops on Apr 29, 2008 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 29, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Ironically, yesterday I caught a replay of one of those "Best of Pride" shows on Best Damn on Fox Sports, and one of the highlights was A.Emelianenko knocking Colossus out in 12 seconds. Glass jaw came to mind pretty quickly!
Just keeping my fingers crossed that Extreme Couture has come up with a gameplan to keep him away from Kimbo's punches long enough to do some damage.
by Realhoops on Apr 30, 2008 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 30, 2008 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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The average baseball fan many of whom played the sport themselves for years has virtually no idea how to read a stat line, thinks sacrifice bunts are "good baseball," and says stupid shit like "speed shows up every day, power only shows up twice a week."
The average football fan can't tell zone defense from man, can't name more than a couple non-skill position players on their own home team, has virtually no concept of different blocking schemes and only watches the ball on every play.
With regard to other sports, I am that ignorant average fan.
by Richard Wade on Apr 29, 2008 8:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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