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Two Takes on Kids in MMA

AOL sports Writer Michael David Smith does a thorough job pasting a bad AP story about kid's MMA and comes out strongly in favor of MMA, parents and sense:

As for parents who send their kids into MMA: Good for them. Have you ever seen 6-year-olds play sports? They're clumsy and weak. I would be much more worried about a kid with no coordination accidentally hitting another kid with a bat in Little League than I would be about a kid hurting another kid in MMA.

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I'm guessing the writer means "sucker punches" in the same way he meant "bare-knuckle," which is to he doesn't mean it at all. But it's good to hear that no one was hurt and they were wearing proper padding. And so we can conclude that these little kids, who in most cases wouldn't be strong enough to do serious damage to each other even if they tried, aren't getting hurt, and we can all have a juice box and go home happy, right?

Now imagine my surprise when friend of Bloody Elbow and MMA-writer par excellence Sam Caplan posts this piece of fuzzy headed nonsense:

It should be illegal for anyone under the 18 to compete in a mixed martial arts fight. If someone is 16 and they are emancipated, there should be an exception made because they are legally an adult and should be allowed to decide what's best for themselves. But under no other circumstance should a minor fight MMA. If they want to train and learn technique -- I'm all for it. But what is the point in having kids fight? It seems like the Little League syndrome where a bunch of failed athletes force their kids to play a sport in hopes of living vicariously through them.

Ridiculous Sam. Completely untenable position and really inexcusable from someone as knowledgeable about sports and MMA as you are. The fact is that kids box in massive numbers and its pretty safe. As Smith points out -- kids just can't hit that hard. Plus headgear. Plus gloves. And then you've got all levels of kid football and baseball which are very dangerous yet rightfully celebrated as a huge part of American childhood culture.

Let's get it straight, kids training and participating in supervised MMA with proper adult supervision, rules and padding (including headgear), is a good thing. Period.

Because the alternative to kids participating in safe, sanctioned rules-based MMA isn't BJJ training, its felony fights. Personally I'd rather my kid put on some headgear and gloves and romp around in a padded environment than go out and get his head slammed onto concrete or broken glass with no adults around to get help if someone gets hurt.

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Re: Two Takes on Kids in MMA
I am liking Bloody Elbow more than MMAMANIA more and more each day.

by Sephora MMA fans on Mar 31, 2008 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Two Takes on Kids in MMA
Thanks man, our kids totally whipped their kids' asses.

by Kid Nate on Mar 31, 2008 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Two Takes on Kids in MMA
I kid. I kid. We love MMA Mania, they're a great news site.

by Kid Nate on Mar 31, 2008 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Two Takes on Kids in MMA
There will always be parents putting their kids in sports, pageants, or whatever for the wrong reason.  I played on a traveling baseball team made of the best players in my county when I was younger (15-17) and when we were 15 we played in a tournament for 17-18 year olds.  We finished second (which we were all thrilled with) and one of the other player's parents came into the dugout and yelled at us that second place doesn't make you a winner.

Now just because they were obviously living through their kid doesn't mean that the rest of us weren't having the time of our lives driving all over Michigan and Indiana playing a game we loved.

To take things like sports away from kids because their parents might be some sort of weirdo stage parents is unfair to the kids and a really flimsy and weak argument.

by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 31, 2008 2:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Two Takes on Kids in MMA
My only hope is that parents are smart enough to check out the places and people that provide the training and coaching for these kids to avoid them being used and abused.  Boxing was notorious for that back in the day: prey upon uneducated, overburdened or dysfunctional parents; teach their kids to fight; use them up against each other until the top few emerge as legit pros; leave the rest beat up and out on the street.  But making MMA for juniors "illegal" doesn't stop the problem of parents not parenting.  What it does is stigmatize and marginalize the sport as a whole, and drive the young people who inevitably will want to participate out of the sight of those (parents or coaches) who should be protecting their best interests.

Sam's post struck me as a continuation of the "OH MY GOD, CHILDREN MIGHT BE HURT" hysteria that strikes so frequently these days.  It's like when schools started stripping playgrounds of slides, ladders, etc., because a kid jumps or gets shoved off and is hurt.  The problem isn't the existance of the equipment - it's the lack of supervision, and the lack of knowledge among the kids themselves of their own vulnerability.  If anything, training MMA will teach them the second, and the first is everyone's responsibility.

by AJB on Mar 31, 2008 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Two Takes on Kids in MMA
I posted on 5 oz as well, but I agree for the most part with Sam.

kids have no business FIGHTING full-on mma matches.

They should train it and have competitions, similar to local karate tournaments. But no way should they be having full blown fights without modified rules and additional safety precautions.

I believe most people's reactions that are similar to mine, are in response to the videos on the net showing kids under 10 in full blown mma shows, fighting under the same rules as any other fighter with no additional protection.

Modified rules, padded gloves, good mouthpieces, shinguards, headgear with face bars, etc...and not being held in a bar full of drunk fans, that I would be ok with.

by BJJDenver on Mar 31, 2008 4:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Two Takes on Kids in MMA
count me in too.  I certainly am not backing some sort of crazy 8 year old versions of Tank Abbott brawls.

by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 31, 2008 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Two Takes on Kids in MMA
Laughing at that mental image.......

Little kid with a milk gut, instead of a beer gut bellowing "I was doing this back when first prize was going to time out at the end of recess...."

by robnashville on Mar 31, 2008 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Two Takes on Kids in MMA
I think most reasonable people have no problem with organized kids mma programs with appropriate safety equipment.  And btw, schools didn't get rid of slides and ladders because kids got hurt (that has been happening for decades).  They removed then when kids got hurt and the school system got sued for riduculous amounts of money and the cost of insurance got prohibitive.  I'm pretty sure the downfall of reasobable behavoir can be traced to misguided lawyers in most every  instance.

by !claw on Mar 31, 2008 9:30 PM EDT reply actions  

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