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Snapshot of the Day

This is the face people give when they are being defeated by a better grappler.

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Re: Snapshot of the Day
Here's another great pic I saw today...

by Nick Thomas on Feb 6, 2008 5:27 PM EST reply actions  

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don't leave us hanging dude! Who? What? When? Where? How????

by Nate Wilcox on Feb 6, 2008 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

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Reminds me of this old school shit:

by Nate Wilcox on Feb 6, 2008 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

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Found it in here - http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?t=636167

"Its seventeen year old Joe Coca from New Mexico. This is a sick ass triangle neck crank, arm trapped and cant roll back out of it because he is being held by Coca's other arm. Just sick. The guys left with one arm free and all he can use it for is to tap which is what he is doing in the pic."

by Nick Thomas on Feb 6, 2008 6:01 PM EST reply actions  

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Better grappler?  Boy, that's one great knee bar!!!!  
He was afraid of having a limb snapped by Frank.  He is new, and hardly knows the feeling of a joint being bent back, and he hardly knew that your opponent will let go in a pro fight when you tap.  Pick it: stupidity or timidity.  The guys a joke right now.  Could he be great?  I've said yes before, but if you picked him now, man, you scare me ( KN? ).

by MoreThanUFC on Feb 6, 2008 8:46 PM EST reply actions  

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Ha! Get over yourself. My pick of Lesnar had as much to do with the rumors about Mir not training and rewatching Mir's horrible god awful performances against Pao de Pano and Christianson. If that Frank Mir showed up, Brock would've won easy.

by Nate Wilcox on Feb 6, 2008 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

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Didn't you make it sound like anyone who picked Chuck over Wand was a complete idiot in the weeks leading into that fight?  Seriously, the holier than thou thing is a bit much.  

by Michael Rome on Feb 6, 2008 10:03 PM EST reply actions  

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Yeah, and something tells me Lesnar didn't tap from fear.

I talked about this kneebar with other grapplers. No doubt that this is almost a damn shin bar more than it is a knee bar. But novice grapplers aren't used to their own bodies if that makes sense. As great and experienced a wrestler as Brock is, it takes time to get used to getting your limbs twisted and torqued. In two years, he probably wouldn't tap to that. But this is 2008. He tapped. Mir is by far the better grappler.

by Luke Thomas on Feb 6, 2008 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

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It looks like I'm going to spend the rest of my life posting this on the internet if I have to, but if it saves one limb, it will be worth it:

If Frank Mir has you in a submission, tap. That fucker has proven in competition that he will wreck your shit. Brock had to know, after having been told a billion times, that if Frank puts you in a joint lock, he's going to keep tightening it up until he snaps something.

(Oh, and big steroid junkies aren't flexible, duh. Lay off the roids if you want to escape submissions, Brock. Related: I realize now that he wings his arms out when he punches because he can't lower his arms properly. Disgusting.)

by jemaleddin on Feb 6, 2008 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

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Holier than though?  I'm many things in life, but hardly that type of person dude.  Keep up the new fan posts, I do love to reflect back on when I didnt know much about the sport....  Dont cast stones if you dont want boulders thrown back...

by MoreThanUFC on Feb 7, 2008 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

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Believe it or not, Brock's not on roids. Granted, there's no way to truly tell because of the way guys can cycle their shit, but I really don't think so. The guy was about that big in college when they tested all the time. While he was in WWE there was no testing being done but he was definitely tested before this fight. Point is, why can't this guy just be a physical freak of nature? He's not super defined like a lot of steroids would make a person. He's just a mountain of a man. Linebackers in the NFL are periodically tested for roids. Some people are simply massive human beings and Brock Lesnar is one of them.

Brock didn't get caught because he was on steroids. That's a horrible argument. Brock got caught because he made a split second mistake against a world-class jiu jitsu expert. Why everyone is so critical of a guy who dominated a former UFC world champ hardcore in only his second MMA fight before getting caught due to limited experience is beyond my thought process.

Brock Lesnar is for real people. Deal with it now.

by dropkick101 on Feb 6, 2008 10:35 PM EST reply actions  

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So he didn't do steroids, except that he might, and that he probably did, but maybe not for a month before the fight. Good point.

Also, I'm not people, I'm Jemal. Thanks.

Further, there's more than one kind of steroid, and there's more than one way to use each kind. Brock is CLEARLY much bigger than he was in college, and he has the appearance of somebody on HGH. So let's not kid ourselves.

Go back and watch the countdown show for UFC 80 where BJ was doing his faux-yoga, and then watch the countdown for 81 where Brocks muscles keep him from getting his arms flat against his sides. That guy's inflexibility, a result of so much muscle-building, roids or no, is his own damn fault. And the more flexible you are, the less likely you are to tap. That's what I'm saying.

And that Frank would have torn that leg off at the knee if Brock didn't tap. :-)

by jemaleddin on Feb 7, 2008 7:30 AM EST up reply actions  

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Way to try and change my argument to make yours look better. You'd probably succeed well in a high school political race.

"Oh, and big steroid junkies aren't flexible, duh. Lay off the roids if you want to escape submissions, Brock. Related: I realize now that he wings his arms out when he punches because he can't lower his arms properly. Disgusting."

You are straight up saying that this man is doing steroids, case closer. I am saying that while I personally believe that not to be the case, there is no validity in your statement at all as there's simply no way to find out unless a person tests positive. You can't look at someone (save a few individuals that come to mind like wrestling's Batista and Scott Steiner) and know that they're on steroids. Royce Gracie anyone? Most of these guys that test positive aren't taking the substances to get huge and strong but simply trying to rehab injuries quicker as  that's a quality of many of the drugs out there.

I, for one, do not exactly have the physique where someone would accuse me of being on steroids. Yet a few months ago when I started hitting the gym hard and eating better, I gained about 10 pounds of muscle and increased my max bench about 60 pounds. I plan on devoting even more time in the next few months and if, in the end, it adds up that I gained 15 pounds or so of muscle over the course of 8 months and look a lot bigger than I did and someone accuses me of doing steroids, I'll be pissed off and might roid rage on them without actually having taken steroids. People seem to forget there's a thing called hard work.

Also, saying Brock was so much bigger in college simply isn't a huge factor. The max weight at heavyweight in amateur wrestling is 264; the max weight at heavyweight in MMA is 265. While Brock may walk around with more muscle bulk now that's simply because he entered a profession after college where getting bigger and stronger helped your career. Anybody who knows what they're doing can build muscle over the course of years without the help steroids.

You're comparing Brock's inflexibility to the flexibility of BJ Penn? That's like comparing a normal lunatic to Britney Spears and saying that they're perfectly sane. When you compare something or someone to the most extreme example you can find, your results are flawed. Yes, being more flexible will help you sustain more torquing of the joins than a normal person but then again being bigger and stronger will aid you in punching people in the face and overpowering them. Life is about trade-offs. I don't think we're going to see BJ Penn manhandling a 255 lb fighter anytime soon.

The point I'm making here is that your contention that Brock Lesnar is on steroids most definitely is wrong. You don't know for sure, I don't know for sure so there's no point. There are men who have gotten that big due to drug use and then there are men who have gotten that big with genetics and hard work.

And "I'm not people, I'm Jemal"? My last statement there was speaking to all the "smart fans" out there who are still skeptical or overly critical without any real reasoning. Good one though. Maybe you'll follow that one up with "Whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you."

by dropkick101 on Feb 7, 2008 8:31 AM EST reply actions  

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