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De La Hoya vs. Pacquiao Primer for BloodyElbow Readers

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I was going to do a write up on this fight to try to give some background on the fight, what to expect...etc but Scott Christ over at BadLeftHook has done his typical great work and it would be a waste of my time to try to cover the fight better than he already has.  So here as told through links to and quotes from various BadLeftHook articles is the story of the fight.

On Manny Pacquiao and his ways to win:

If Manny Pacquiao, whose highest-ever fighting weight came in June at 135 pounds, is to defeat Oscar de la Hoya this Saturday, he cannot let the size become an issue.

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But facts are facts. Oscar de la Hoya is a bigger man than Manny Pacquiao. He's four inches taller, has a good amount of reach on Pacquiao, and has never weighed less than 133 pounds for any fight, going as high as 160 against Felix Sturm.

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Pacquiao can win this fight, but he's going to have to be at his best defensively. At some point, Oscar will test his chin. And even if he can't knock Manny out, his natural advantages give him the ability to turn this into a toying session if he plays his cards right. He could jab all night. It probably won't back Pacquiao up for long, but it'll win rounds.

How can Pacquiao win? He has to make it about speed. There is no one Oscar could have brought in that truly spars like Pacquiao fights. Manny is a unique boxer. If you watched the most recent "24/7," you saw Bernard Hopkins in Oscar's gym giving his sparring partners advice on how to fight like Pacquiao, and "make Oscar work harder than he wants to work." Though B-Hop meant that to benefit Oscar, he got what Manny needs to do exactly right.

Manny has to move, throw combinations, and light Oscar up with them. I don't think Manny is big enough to be the first guy besides Hopkins to knock Oscar out, but I do think he can discourage him, frustrate him, and make him fight outside of his game. Oscar isn't the quickest guy anymore, his offensive reflexes looked somewhat shot against Steve Forbes in May, and even if he is training to see things before they come, the lightning-fast Pacquiao is going to hit him.

The other side of the coin:

For Oscar de la Hoya, a reputation hangs in the balance on Saturday.

Those that question his credentials ignore that his losses -- five in 44 fights -- have come to elites of the sport. Only Bernard Hopkins has ever knocked him out, and the only others to hold wins over "The Golden Boy" are Floyd Mayweather, Tito Trinidad and Shane Mosley.

He has held world titles in six weight classes, from junior lightweight all the way up to middleweight. He may not be a truly sensational all-time great talent, but his prime years were not far off from that, either. He is, though, a once in a generation draw for the sport. For all of Oscar's faults, boxing would be in truly dire straits without his presence the last 16 years.

He is, arguably, the last American Olympic boxer to truly captivate the imagination of the sport's fans. And he's the biggest non-heavyweight attraction ever.

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There are a lot of ways for Oscar to beat Manny. He could jab, use his size, and keep Manny on the outside, waiting for chances at big power shots. Pacquiao has a habit of leaving himself open, even now that he's become a much better defensive fighter than he was just a few years ago, when he was emerging as such an action star.

Oscar says it would be "a disaster" if he doesn't knock out the Filipino legend. I wouldn't have classed it that way, but now that he has, it's hard not to think that way going in. If Oscar wins a close decision, how many people are going to think he's just plain past it? If he can't win a shootout -- which is what fans want from Pacquiao fights -- who will really want to see him fight on against Ricky Hatton, or in an undesired rematch with Mayweather?

De la Hoya painted himself into the corner of needing to knock out Pacquiao, perhaps, but it's a worthwhile corner to be in, too. Oscar will do himself and the sport a favor by going out and fighting toe-to-toe with Manny. Given his size, he should have the confidence that he wins the war. If the two go balls to the wall, they will at least entertain.

How does the undercard look?:

That all depends on what you like. But rest assured, there will be action, there will be knockouts, and you'll get to see three of the fastest-rising stars in the sport in action at the MGM Grand.

Heading up the undercard action is 122-pound titleholder Juan Manuel Lopez, Puerto Rico's newest superstar export into the sweet science. Lopez's wicked power (21 knockouts in 23 fights, all wins) was on full display when he took the WBO junior featherweight title from Daniel Ponce de Leon in June, knocking the Mexican slugger out in just over two minutes. It was supposed to be the fight of the night -- instead, it was just a huge coming out party for the 25-year old Lopez. In October, Lopez made his first defense, knocking out Cesar Figueroa in 47 seconds.

He'll be opposed on Saturday by Sergio Medina (33-1, 18 KO), a 26-year old Argentinian whose only career loss came on the Oscar-Mayweather undercard in 2007, when he was beaten by Rey Bautista. He's fought five times since, all in his home country and mostly against illegitimate competition. Medina will be able to prove whether he's a contender or not on Saturday.

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Now as far as 2008 pay-per-view undercards go, this one is pretty much par for the course. It features some good young talent, but on paper they're all in fights meant more to present them than push them competitively. Medina has a pretty record, but it's a paper record. Resto is a mystery. And Lares is a tomato can.

Maybe the best thing you can say is that without some horrible misfortune, it won't be able the touch the overpowering stink that was the Calzaghe-Jones undercard in November, and it should feature some good action. There's a decent chance all three fights are very short, too, which could lead to some interesting production choices as we wait around for the main event. How many times can one interview Buboy?

The answer: Not enough.

Now for a few brief thoughts from me from a MMA fan standpoint:

Obviously I love boxing.  It was my first love in combat sports and I still follow it closely.  One look at the odds on the undercard shows that you're likely not going to be getting much by way of close fights (Lopez alone is sitting as a -3500 favorite) but there shouldn't be a boring fight anywhere on that card.  In the mismatches you're likely going to at least see someone get blasted.

The truth is, this isn't a card that you watch for the undercard.  The atmosphere for the main event will be nuts.  Oscar is a draw, Manny is a huge draw within his fanbase (as Scott says in the Philippines Manny is a combination of JFK plus The Beatles plus Muhammad Ali) and the atmosphere will reflect the strong fan support for each fighter.

Initially I was going to go with Pacquiao by decision here but the more I talked to Scott and really thought about things the more I came to terms with the fact that Oscar is a MUCH bigger man and he does have some pop in his punches.  As long as he throws his fists he can hurt Manny and finish him.  I'm going to go ahead and take Oscar by TKO in 5.

One last thing, don't forget to listen to MMA Nation with Luke Thomas on Saturday.  Scott Christ will be on to discuss the fight and David Samuels will also be on to discuss his work with The Atlantic .

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Is the Khan fight (which is happening in London) being shown as part of the HBO PPV undercard?

by boxingstudent on Dec 5, 2008 5:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm an idiot

got the two cards confused…editing now.

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 5, 2008 5:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!

No problem.
I posted an article on FanPosts that predicts this fight to do 1.6 – 2 million PPV buys.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 5, 2008 6:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The tracking right now is 1-1.5 million, apparently, which is very good news.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Dec 5, 2008 7:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think everyone would happy with just 1 million buys… It has been a very tuff year for everyone. All sports are getting hit by the economic crisis. I just saw in the news that the nationwide unemployment is at 6.7%.

by Zocalo on Dec 5, 2008 7:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It is going to be 8-9% by next year.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 5, 2008 7:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t be surprised…

by Zocalo on Dec 5, 2008 8:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nearly every analyst prediction I’ve read on the web says either Oscar is too big and will stop Manny or that Manny will tire-out Oscar and win a decision.

Either way, sounds like a good fight.

by Tonley on Dec 5, 2008 6:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Oscar by ref stoppage in the late rounds. There is no way Manny can win this fight as much as I love the guy. Oscar has way too much riding on this to lose. Plus, Manny has had trouble in the past with bigger fighters let alone moving up this many weight classes to fight a hall of famer. I hope I’m wrong though.

by lbk on Dec 5, 2008 6:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Not only is SC cool for hanging out here at BE during live blogs, but his great work is allowing Brookhouse to remain focused on MMA…and movie trivia.

by Cannon Jacques on Dec 5, 2008 8:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Oscar by ko in the 8th or 9th.

by Kierkegaard on Dec 5, 2008 8:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Go Pacman!

I’m pulling for the little guy!

by dmayeda on Dec 5, 2008 9:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Pac

Referee stoppage 10-12

by skwirrl on Dec 5, 2008 9:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Also Lopez is a BEAST. 2009 will see superfights between him and Rafael Marquez and Israel Vazquez… And hopefully Vazquez Marquez 4

by skwirrl on Dec 5, 2008 9:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Daniel Jacobs is king. Watch for him. Manny will win with scores somewhere in the 116-112 range. I doubt DLH can go 12 full speed rounds and not get into a brawl with Manny. Once the brawl starts, Manny will take over and the oldness of Oscar will be his downfall. I doubt he’s trained for a brawl but it will happen. Unless Oscar can jab Manny to death for 36 minutes or can clinch him for 36 minutes in order to put his weight on Manny, he won’t win. The one thing Oscar has going for him is that he had Dundee help him in the preparation for this fight in terms of watching footage. But Dundee can’t fight Manny for Oscar. Oscar has to do it himself. And I don’t think he can.

"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill

by FlyByKnight on Dec 5, 2008 9:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

pacquiao by liver shot beating..

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by Anton Tabuena on Dec 5, 2008 10:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I really want Pacman to win, but with De La Hoya being used to fighting bigger guys and just being bigger I don’t know…

by Discman2 on Dec 6, 2008 1:23 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

i was a little surprised that pacquiao only weighed 142, but was even more surprised that oscar weighed only 145. still i can see oscar weighing 160lbs come fight night and don’t see manny gaining any weight. i think oscar will have a12-15lb weight advantage come fightime. i like oscar by late rnd stoppage

by bdw on Dec 6, 2008 1:26 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

manny fights at 147 during fight time for his last few fights. And that was during the lightweight and superfeatherweight days. he’ll probably weigh around 148-149 this time..

I think that oscar’s weight is the problem, not manny’s.. coming in at 145 was really surprising. He mustve over trained or something. He looked really dehydrated, and i dont know why he didnt come in at 147.

Manny should go for tons of body shots since de la hoya probably lost too much weight..
again, i say manny by beating down oscar’s liver. :)

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by Anton Tabuena on Dec 6, 2008 5:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the good thing about hbo and boxing is that they show the day of the fight weights for both fighters(except hws). thats somethinfg i wish the ufc would do. you could be right about oscar over training, he did look pretty gaunt to me as well, but i still see oscar as being too big and too strong for manny, but we’ll see. as for the liver shot, i doubt it. manny isn’t nearly as big and strong as b-hop(the only fight he was ever stopped in). i think manny’s best chance would be to get in, do as much damage as quickly as possible, and then get out quickly. this should be his fightplan for the whole evening. in and out.could be a great fight, could be a boring fight, could be a mis-match. the size difference is what makes this fight interesting.

by bdw on Dec 6, 2008 11:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Manny said in an interview

He plans on putting 5-8 lbs on with water. DLH will put on probably 10-12 but getting that dehydrated your body can’t fully adjust in just 24 hours. During the staredown you could see his pulse causing the muscles in his neck/jawline to spasm. The cut might effect him adversely

by skwirrl on Dec 6, 2008 4:10 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

skwirrl

no offense, but i think manny putting on 5-8 8 lbs of water weight is b.s on his and freddie roach’s part. why would anyone dehydrate themselves to weigh 142 when the limit is 147, doesn’t make sense to me. i think oscar only weighed in at 145 to prove a point, that there isn’t that much of a size differential between the two, something he was criticized heavily for when he took this fight.

by bdw on Dec 6, 2008 11:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

they said all along they were targeting 142-143

They didn’t want to bulk him up too much and have him lose speed, and they figured the low 140s would be peak performance weight. Freddie was calling for 142-143 when the fight was first signed. They trained to meet this weight. Mayweather came in at 150 when he fought for Oscar’s 154-pound title for much the same reason. It’s NOT a natural weight for him, and if he’s comfortable being a little lighter, why not?

Oscar at 145 I fear is more explained by over training than a desire to prove a point, but we’ll see.

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by SC on Dec 6, 2008 5:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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