Goodbye Mazzagatti?
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 30, 2008 3:58 AM EST
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We all know about Steve Mazzagatti. He has been by far the most inconsistent and highly criticized referee in mma. He goes from really early stoppages, to dangerous uber late stoppages. He has called eye poke KO's and other really questionable calls. The last UFC event was no exception, he had late stoppages in both the Kongo/Al-Turk and the Forrest/Evans fight, wherein fighters were already taking lots of unnecessary damage.
Brock has even said that Mazzagatti will never referee any of his fights again, and it looks like Dana might take a similar stand.
UFC president Dana White was upset after the match (Forrest vs Evans) at Mazzagatti, saying he thought the stoppage was late, but was more upset over an earlier stoppage in which Cheick Kongo was bludgeoning Mostapha Al-Turk.
"He’s a nice guy, but he’s not a referee," said White.
It is the athletic commissions who decide which set of referees to assign for certain shows, and it is still likely that Steve Mazzagatti officiates in more UFC events. But if a fighter like Brock can convince the commission to not let him officiate in his fights, imagine how much strings a guy like Dana White can pull if he decides he doesn't want 'the stache' there anymore..
so will we say goodbye Mazzagatti soon? ...I hope so.
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so will we say goodbye Mazzagatti soon? …I hope so.
Who replaces him? And don’t say Big John because thats a given he will be back soon. Steve may let some fights go too long but thats correctable and I’d rather have him than some unproven guy. Watch some fights on HDNet with some small time shows and small time refs and you will see just how good Steve is….in comparison.
by banter on Dec 30, 2008 6:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
He has been by far the most inconsistent and highly criticized referee in mma.
That’s an incredibly inaccurate statement. Does anyone remember how much shit Herb Dean used to get during the Tito/Shamrock era?
by Scott Haber on Dec 30, 2008 8:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I always thought Mario Yamasaki was the best.
by lbk on Dec 30, 2008 9:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mario and Yves are the best. PornStache is the worst, bar none. The guy watched Brock tap five times before he made Mir break the hold. What a disgrace. I still cannot believe that actually happened.
"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill
by FlyByKnight on Dec 30, 2008 9:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The stoppages were fine.
Dana is kissing Lesnar’s (his cash cow) ass.
Lesnar is a spoiled brat with a sense of entitlement.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2008/12/28/703356/dana-white-upset-with-mazz
by mythbuster on Dec 30, 2008 9:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Re-watch the Lesnar-Mir fight and tell me PornStache didn’t wait too long. Seriously. Go back and watch it. Lesnar tapped twice in Maz’s face. Maz sat there. Staring at Lesnar in agony. Lesnar then paused. Tapped three more times. And then Maz decided to stop the fight. Lesnar was literally slapping Mir on the ass right in front of Maz’s face and it still took this moron five times before he stopped the fight. Five. About three times too many. Watch it again. Seriously.
"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill
by FlyByKnight on Dec 30, 2008 10:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously. Seriously. If he stopped it sooner, you would be bitching that he stopped it too early. Refs can’t win – either its too early or, seriously, too late.
That said, Lesnars problem with Mazzagati is that he dared to stop Lesnar from punching Mir in the back of the head, and enforced the rules. Instead of blaming himself for the loss, he blamed the referee.
by mythbuster on Dec 30, 2008 10:23 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, he is a big baby. He never complained about the tapping issue. It was all about the stand up from what I remember
by szucconi on Dec 30, 2008 10:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The point is
that when someone taps or you deem the fight to be done you do absolutely everything to stop the fight. How many times have we seen Big John basically tackle a guy or throw him to stop a fight. No one argues a early stoppage when someone taps. The back of the head thing happens to every fighter, they never think they are hitting it. So it is not just Lesnar complaining.
by dnevil001 on Dec 30, 2008 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The back of the head thing happens to every fighter, they never think they are hitting it. So it is not just Lesnar complaining.
True, but Lesnar is the one who brought in the lawyers to get a referee changed. He blames his loss on Mazzagati for enforcing the rules.
All I’m saying is that, if Couture beat Lesnar, it would have been Yamasaki’s fault for telling Brock he’s not allowed to hold onto the cage.
by mythbuster on Dec 30, 2008 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well since you are completely unbiased
I will take your opinion Myth. lol
by dnevil001 on Dec 30, 2008 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point – no one says much at all about Brock holding on the cage to stop the takedown Randy was in process of doing.
"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007
by lovingmma25 on Dec 30, 2008 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I really like Josh Rosenthal. I believe he should be taking the place of Steve. I think Steve is not the best ref, but I will take him 100% over Dan M.
by "Mr. NC-17" on Dec 30, 2008 10:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I thought the UFC had nothing to do with the referee’s
I have seen plenty fights stopped or halted due to strikes to the back of the head – so I didn’t feel Mazzagatti did anything wrong – Brock needs to stop blaming Mazz and realize that he possibly had the octagon jitters or had an adrenaline dump that or he just hits like a 4-year old
"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007
by lovingmma25 on Dec 30, 2008 10:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ask Randy if Brock hits like a 4 year old
by dnevil001 on Dec 30, 2008 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let’s see here, Brock may have hit Randy like 30 times when he was on the ground and Randy came up clean with no damage. Did you see anything great or wonderful about the way Brock was punching Randy and Frank when they were grounded? I didn’t.
His only decent punch has been the one he hit Heath Herring with in the beginning of their fight.
"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007
by lovingmma25 on Dec 30, 2008 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw him only clip Randy
& he dropped like a sack of potatoes. I saw him pound his head in with hammerfists until the ref stopped him. What else do you want him to do? Randy’s face was bruised all over & he had loose teeth he said. I really could not care less, but saying he hits like a 4 year old is way more of a disrespectful remark toward Randy.
by dnevil001 on Dec 30, 2008 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let me be clear – Brock has power behind his punches but I am referring to the way he throws his punches – he throws them like a 4 year old fighting their sibling. It seems like when he has a grounded opponent he gets overly excited and just throws wild punches. Swick did the same when he fought Goulet – he had Goulet hurt and just started swinging wildly – like a kid.
"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007
by lovingmma25 on Dec 30, 2008 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My bad,
I misunderstood you then. Yeah, I can agree with that statement. He fights a little like a mongloid at times, but that is pretty fun to watch!
by dnevil001 on Dec 30, 2008 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It is I admit I thought he would not do that again after the Mir fight but whatever works I guess.
"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007
by lovingmma25 on Dec 30, 2008 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They don't have anything to do with the UFC...
They are employees of the state athletic commissions. Only the state althletic commissions can fire referees… but the UFC can state they don’t want that particular official for a fight.
by Gunslinger20 on Dec 30, 2008 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dan Mirgliabloobliblatta sais hello...
lol
Serisouly though peace out, holmes.
by xFenixKnightx on Dec 30, 2008 11:02 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
As bad as Dan is, he’s even better than the “keep it moving. Keep it going. Work for something” refs we’ve seen too much lately.
by mythbuster on Dec 30, 2008 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dana should hire “Rapper whatever the fuck his name is Shaw” to be a quality control guy. Send videos and evidence to the ACs and such.
Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.
http://eliotmarshall.com/
by BJJDenver on Dec 30, 2008 11:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.
http://eliotmarshall.com/
by BJJDenver on Dec 30, 2008 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WTF they're going get rid of the only ref that makes fighters fight!!!
I like everyone else knows Steve isn’t the most johnny on the spot ref….but he is the only ref that the fighters know they can’t just take someones back and rain down a bunch of fast “bitch slapping” punches and get pulled off and called the winner. In a Steve (somebodys gonna get their ass kicked) Mazzagatti fight you have to FIGHT which is why their in the cage and we’re in the stands. I think it would suck if some WWE guy can cause a ref to lose his job. Steve may not be the best but if he’s in the cage the fighters know they have to fight, defend themselves at ALL times and tap RIGHT AWAY if they know they are f—-ked. I have been fortunate enough to see 3 great UFC events in Vegas this past year and the fights with Steve as the ref were never boring.
by fittrainer99 on Dec 30, 2008 1:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i just found out that a guy already used the same quote in another fanpost. I was out on vacation, and i didnt see it on the first browse i did. so sorry for talking about the same topic again.
http://weoweoweo.deviantart.com/
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 30, 2008 1:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's not your fault.
Let’s blame Mazzagatti :)
by mythbuster on Dec 30, 2008 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lesners a bitch. He’s just mad that Mazzagatti let Mir up after Lesner hit him in the back of the head. Yeah he didn’t give Lesner a verbal warning, but he’s not required to. I did think that the Congo/Al Turk fight should have been stopped a little sooner though.
by J_Maddux on Jan 11, 2009 11:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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