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WEC 37: Torres vs. Tapia Live Results Tonight

As always we'll be here live to bring you results and thoughts on tonight's show.  For the sake of not spoiling any undercard fights that may make TV please keep spoilers out of the comments section until after the Versus broadcast ends.

I encourage you all to join us here tonight and give your thoughts as you watch the show as the back and forth is what makes the live threads fun.  Also as a special treat I'm going to go ahead and live blog the last two episodes of The Ultimate Fighter which follow the WEC (edit: disregard, there will be no TUF liveblog).

So if you want to hang out and discuss WEC 37 or The Ultimate Fighter with someone...I'm your huckleberry.

It's fight time!  The Versus broadcast is starting and I'll have live results up starting with the first fight here shortly.

Joseph Benavidez vs. Danny Martinez - Bantamweight action up first.  Round 1 - Kim Winslow is reffing...nice to see more female faces involved with the sport even in a reffing capcity.  Front kick lands for Benavidez and he follows it with a body kick.  Martinez ducks under and lands a glancing punch of his own.  A lot of distance work before Benavidez throws a flurry of punches, many of which land and a front kick to the chin.  Every time Martinez dares to come close Benavidez thows at least three solid punches.  Martinez takes his back standing now and so far has not been able to take the fight down and has to give up.  Benavidez grimmiced after a kick was blocked, I'm owrried he may have broken his foot.  Nevermind, he throws another one right away.  Great trip takedown for Benavidez and he has side control with twenty seconds to go.  The round ends and the BE scorecard has it 10-9 Benavidez.  Round 2 -From distance Benavidez is using front kicks and roundhouses while Martinez loos to load up.  In close Benavidez is using punching combos while...Martinez just looks to load up.  It's a fairly safe fight for Joseph at this point.  It's just a pattern fight right now.  It's taking so long for Martinez's punches to get there that Benavidez has plenty of time to just step back and avoid.  With a minute left in the round Benavidez looks for a single leg and Martinez grabs a front headlock, throws a knee and they go to the ground where again for a brief second Martinez looks to take his back before Benavidez escapes and they're back to standing. The round ends and I have it 10-9 Benavidez (20-18 Benavidez total).  Round 3 - Martinez is trying to be more aggressive but he has to pay a price every time he looks for his one punch.  Finally he flurries a bit but nothing significant lands.  Now back to more of the same.  It's not a boring fight but there isn't a lot of deviation from minute to minute.  Martinez with a failed single leg attempt now.  Jumping knee lands to the side of Martinez's head.  High kick lands a bit for Benavidez and now a roundhouse to the body lands.   Solid right hand now from Benavidez and he is finally starting to land hard instead of just landing often.  Left hand lands for Martinez and Benavidez's legs bucked for a second and he follows up with a knee to the body.  Benavidez has recovered now and there are only ten seconds left so I think he is safe.  The round, and fight comes to an end and I've got it 30-27 for Benavidez even with getting hurt at the end of the third.  Official scorecards: 30-27 across the board.  Joseph Benavidez wins by Unanimous Decision.

Brian Bowles vs. Will Ribeiro - Round 1 - Ribeiro immediately takes the centeras Bowles tries to bounce outside. Bowles with a solid combination, he ate one punch during it but he spun Ribeiro around with it a bit.  This time Ribeiro lands the combination.  Bowles is throwing a jab which Ribeiro is tapping out of the way with his hand, if he throws a straight behind it he can catch Brian open.  Mir thinks the opposite will happen and it will be Bowles that counters the blocked jab...we'll see who is right.  Spinning kick lands to the body hard for Ribeiro.  Ribeiro threw the counter to the jab as I said he would.  Ribeiro goes for a takedown but Bowles gets a guillotine which he turns into taking full mount.  One minute left and Bowles has a dominant position but Ribeiro is able to get back to full guard.  The round ends with Bowles in Ribeiro's guard throwing elbows.  10-9 Bowles on my card.  Round 2 - Overhand right early for Ribeiro as Bowles lowered his head.  Eyes to the floor is never a good idea when punches are coming at you.  Low kick from Ribeiro and Bowles grabs the leg looking for a takedown.  Ribeiro shrugs him off and as he stands over the downed Bowles eats an upkick.  Ribeiro lets him up and misses a kick as Bowles stands.  Uppercut, left hook lands for Ribeiro.  Now Bowles goes for the takedown and gets it into the half guard.  A few punches from Bowles as the ref calls for action.  They're stood back up with 25 seconds left.  Another takedown from Bowles and that may cement the round for him even though I'd actually like to give it to Ribeiro on damage.  10-9 Bowles I guess (20-18 total).  Round 3 - Ribeiro is looking to be more aggressive here and he is landing a few right hands early.  Takedown from Ribeiro and again he goes right into Bowles guillotine.  This time though Ribeiro has to tap out.  Brian Bowles wins by submission (Guillotine choke) round 3.  Again I'm not fully impressed with Bowles but he got the job done against a tough guy...so who am I to question him at this point?

Don't forget to stay tuned to BloodyElbow.com after the WEC show for my liveblog of the back to back TUF semi-final shows.

Wagnney Fabiano vs. Akitoshi Tamura - Is up next...and is anyone else worried that it's 9:12 and there is still a potential 8 rounds of fighting left on this show?  Round 1 - Fabiano with a takedown in about twenty seconds.  Working to pass to half guard and he's just about there.  Tamura is defending well but there goes Fabiano with the pass to half guard. Now looking to pass to mount and there he goes.  But right back to half guard.  Now Fabiano looks to land a few elbows.  Tamura is doing a very good job of avoiding damage and keeping Fabiano in half guard.  The round ends and while Fabiano controlled position the entire time he wasn't able to do a ton with it.  10-9 Fabiano.  Round 2 - Right hand lands for Fabiano and then gets a takedown.  Rubber guard for Tamura and as Fabiano tries to pull out he avoids any submission attempts.  Quick pass right back to half guard for Wagnney.  Fabiano goes with some more elbows as he is unable to pass to full mount.  Now Fabiano passes to the mount but is quickly pulled back to half guard.  The fighters are stood back up.  Takedown from Fabiano and the crowd boos.  Side control from Fabiano now.  Now its a full mount and a few strikes are landed by Fabiano.  Ten seconds to go and Fabiano lands a few strikes and drops for the armbar but the round ends as he tries to secure it.  10-9 Fabiano again.   Round 3 - Takedown attempt by Tamura as Fabiano tried for the takedown.  Fabiano walks up the cage and right over Tamura's legs to avoid the choke and now he has side control again.  Knee on belly into full mount.  As they get too close to the cage Fabiano jumps into side control.  Elbows open up a cut on Tamura's forehead.  Head and arm choke for Fabiano and Tamura has to tap out with 14 seconds left in the fight.  Wagnney Fabiano wins by submission (arm triangle) round 3.

Manny Tapia vs. Miguel Torres for the WEC Bantamweight ChampionshipRound 1 - Jab from Torres knocks Tapia back stumbling.  Both guys are feeling eachother out but Torres is landing jabs solidly.  Kick lands solidly to Tapia's face and Torres looks much sharper here.  If Tapia can't find a successful way to close distance he is in serious trouble because Torres looks more than happy to stick his jab in his face all day long.  Now Tapia is coming in behind punches and landed a few nice left hands to the body.  "Forward roll axe kick" from Torres doesn't land, but it was a nice "WTF?!" moment.  Tapia continues to go to the body whenever he closes distance which is a beautifully underrated thing to do.  I'm going to give the round to Torres 10-9 as the shots he landed looked more effective but Tapia almost stole it with a few flurries.  Round 2 - Jab lands again for Torres and it was a nice one.  Right hand lands for Tapia over the jab of Torres.  Tapia has some blood under his right eye.  Spinning backfist lands solidly for Torres.  Right hand from Torres lands hard and Tapia drops.  Tapia looking for a takedown but Torres defends.  They're back to standing.  1-2 combo from Torres drops Tapia, Torres follows him to the ground and starts pounding away and the fight has been stopped.  Tapia is a bloody mess as he argues the stoppage...he got dropped twice and was mounted and getting pounded on.  Very solid stoppage.  Miguel Torres retains the WEC Bantamweight Title via TKO (strikes) round 2.

Nevermind the TUF liveblog.  I've been asked by multiple people to not provide it and I don't think it's worthy of a whole new post.  Watch and enjoy gentlemen!

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I’m your huckleberry - best movie quote eva’

"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007

by lovingmma25 on Dec 3, 2008 1:51 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tombstone

Best quotable western ever – Tombstone
Best quotable movie ever – Anchorman

by Nick Travaglini on Dec 3, 2008 1:54 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Johnny Ringo & Doc Holliday

Their Gunfight was probably the best i’ve ever seen in any western.

by asmiley420 on Dec 3, 2008 2:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

now I loves me some Tombstone

And Kilmer’s portrayal of Doc Holliday is iconic, but the best gunfight I think I’ve ever seen in any western belongs to the final shootout of the criminally overlooked Open Range, which is without question Costner’s best performance since he lets Duvall do most of the talking. Great western. Great movie, period.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Dec 3, 2008 2:58 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

another one

The Duke in True Grit is another I’d put over Doc/Ringo. FILL YER HANDS, YOU SONOFABITCH!

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Dec 3, 2008 3:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'm not sure

anybody has seen Lonsome Dove. I think thats the Best Western

by asmiley420 on Dec 3, 2008 4:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You are correct sir. It’s an epic, and I’m not just saying that for effect.

by Cannon Jacques on Dec 3, 2008 7:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Eli Wallach had a few awesome gun fights and was always my favorite western actor.

by DirtyML on Dec 3, 2008 3:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is a great quote,

but how bout “$2 for a poke?”

by dnevil001 on Dec 3, 2008 2:13 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well...

I didn’t think that fit in with the message I was trying to get across in this post….

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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 3, 2008 2:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol, i know it was way off base

but still a great line & it came to mind when thinking about western movie quotes.

by dnevil001 on Dec 3, 2008 2:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Please refrain from spoiling any fights.

It’s important that we all make a conscious effort to keep the comments spoil free. Together we can achieve this objective.

Nice movie quote usage, Mr. Brookhouse. I love that flick.

by Cannon Jacques on Dec 3, 2008 1:56 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Does anyone not?

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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 3, 2008 2:05 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought Anchor Man was so bad I walked out of it. Tombstone is amazing, however.

by Luke Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 2:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Aw, come on Luke

Anchorman is a classic! “I have many leatherbound books and my apartment smells of rich mohogany”

by dnevil001 on Dec 3, 2008 2:35 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Really? bad? in what sense? It stupid and has major plot holes, but thats the point. It’s just funny. If you say you loved Napoleon Dynamite then I will start a revolt.

by szucconi on Dec 3, 2008 2:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To each his own. For me, I thought it was terrible shtick and the sort of Will Ferrel goofy, over the top, unaware dullard act that we’ve a bajillion times. Not as bad as Semi Pro, but close.

I realize tons of people love this movie, so we’ll have to agree to disagree. I went in excited from the buzz and was unbelievably disappointed by how wide it missed the mark.

by Luke Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 2:42 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think its a case of the movie not living up to your hype, like UFC 76: Knockout. I great event with zero knockouts. Only movie I ever thought about walking out on was sweeny todd and I didn’t. I can’t imagine leaving in the middle of Anchorman.

On the other hand Semi-pro was awful. putting Ferrel wackyness in with a serious story was beyond criminal, but that is why Anchorman was good. It was all goofy.

by szucconi on Dec 3, 2008 2:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anchorman was o.k., but i’d have to say Blades OF Glory was the lamest Will Ferral Movie.

by asmiley420 on Dec 3, 2008 2:58 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Damn

I just put Anchorman was easily his worst, but damn Blades of Glory was flaming too

all you gotta do is...

by imapimp08 on Dec 3, 2008 7:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ron Burgundy: Discovered by the Germans in 1904, they named it San Diego, which of course in German means a whale’s vagina.
Veronica Corningstone: No, there’s no way that’s correct.
Ron Burgundy: I’m sorry, I was trying to impress you. I don’t know what it means. I’ll be honest, I don’t think anyone knows what it means anymore. Scholars maintain that the translation was lost hundreds of years ago.
Veronica Corningstone: Doesn’t it mean Saint Diego?
Ron Burgundy: No. No.
Veronica Corningstone: No, that’s – that’s what it means. Really.
Ron Burgundy: Agree to disagree.

by DirtyML on Dec 3, 2008 3:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BF: I’ll give this little cookie an hour before we’re doing the no-pants dance. Time to musk up.
RB: Wow. Never ceases to amaze me. What cologne you gonna go with? London Gentleman, or wait. No, no, no. Hold on. Blackbeard’s Delight.
BF: No, she gets a special cologne… It’s called Sex Panther by Odeon. It’s illegal in nine countries… Yep, it’s made with bits of real panther, so you know it’s good.
RB: It’s quite pungent.
BF: Oh yeah.
RB: It’s a formidable scent… It stings the nostrils. In a good way.
BF: Yep.
RB: Brian, I’m gonna be honest with you, that smells like pure gasoline.
BF: They’ve done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
RB: That doesn’t make sense.
BF: Well… Let’s go see if we can make this little kitty purr.

by Nick Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 3:38 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It’s like stream of consciousness…only not James Joyce…and not particularly funny (to me).

by Luke Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 3:41 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Joyce fan? I don’t care for his more stream-of-c books because people do think in grammar, so abandoning coherence is moving away form how people think. I much prefer Samuel Beckett, who was aware of that.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by themachiavellian on Dec 3, 2008 6:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Grammar can be overrated.

by Eugene Schelfaut on Dec 3, 2008 7:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree with Luke

Anchorman was criminally bad—in many ways—like a Saturday Night Live skit gone 90 minutes too long. Anchorman was worse than Elf; and that’s saying something.

by jebushchrist on Dec 3, 2008 6:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh come on,

now you are bagging on Elf at Christmas time? ;-0

by dnevil001 on Dec 3, 2008 6:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seriously

Favreau went from making Elf to Iron Man, solidifying one of the most improbable comebacks in the history of the world. It’d be like Ken Shamrock coming back and winning a UFC title.

by jebushchrist on Dec 3, 2008 6:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Elf...

is a harmless holiday movie. I’m not sure why it’s drawing such vitriolic responses.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 3, 2008 6:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Elf is awesome you joyless, heartless criminals

byyye buddy. hope you find your daaad.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Dec 3, 2008 6:35 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As SC and I just agreed upon...

Elf is better than Anchorman

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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 3, 2008 6:37 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Elf is better than Iron Man, too

Oh that Downey! Hey here’s Jeff Bridges. Climax!!

I really like Man, both Anchor and Iron. But Elf is a modern holiday classic. My finger has a heartbeat!

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Dec 3, 2008 6:40 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree to disagree

There’s clearly no talking to you.
Although an intervention is not out of the question.

by jebushchrist on Dec 3, 2008 6:42 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The best way to spread Christmas cheer is singing loud for all to hear.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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Bad Left Hook

by SC on Dec 3, 2008 6:43 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Word...

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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 3, 2008 6:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anchorman

Was Easily Will Ferrells worst movie

all you gotta do is...

by imapimp08 on Dec 3, 2008 7:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’d have to say Talledaga was awful – I enjoyed Anchorman – best scene was the fight scene

"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007

by lovingmma25 on Dec 4, 2008 10:41 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I didn’t enjoy Anchor Man and Tombstone while good is overrated.

by Richard Wade on Dec 3, 2008 5:13 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seriously...

if everyone could give this post a buzz I’d appreciate it.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 3, 2008 6:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Buzzzzed

Even left a bogus comment~

all you gotta do is...

by imapimp08 on Dec 3, 2008 7:38 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ok onto the fight…… why the — is my Cable guide not showing the fight under Versus?? Its showing some Golf crap. I feel like this has happened before… but whyyyyyyy now I cant record itttt

by beersnbroads on Dec 3, 2008 6:36 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

T-minus 1 hour…

by Nick Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 7:00 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WEC's Greatest KO's is a fine warmup...

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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 3, 2008 7:13 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

a shame

i’m at work

all you gotta do is...

by imapimp08 on Dec 3, 2008 7:39 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i know it was a different post

But, Brian Bowles would have to be neer the top of the least scary fighter list

by DUGASWARRIOR on Dec 3, 2008 7:44 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Joseph Benavidez -295 Danny Martinez +235 ….

by Nick Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 8:05 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

“The Spirit” is one of the lamest sponsors ever.

by Eugene Schelfaut on Dec 3, 2008 8:09 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just cracked open a beer and woke up and saw the fights were on…whoa a woman ef

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:11 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ref

ref i was so shocked i said ef

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:11 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

female ref? Precursor?

by mythbuster on Dec 3, 2008 8:11 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don’t think I’ve ever seen a female ref before.

by Nick Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 8:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i thought it was on at 6pm on the West Coast…don’t you think it’s time for them to announce the camps they fight with along with the introductions?

also I love the woman refs…it gives me some hope

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:12 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tattoos of your own name = unoriginal

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 3, 2008 8:12 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so many guys don’t turn the corner and finish

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:12 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh you mean you don’t like that? you must not like Affliction shirts either…both are unoriginal

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:13 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kick to the face...

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 3, 2008 8:13 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

am I right, ladies?

Who likes short shorts!?

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Dec 3, 2008 8:13 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

do we have to have urijah faber references for every fighter who trains with him?

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:13 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like the short shorts…it old school…

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:14 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

damn…let’s count the urijah references..one

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:15 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Its like 11

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 3, 2008 8:15 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you hear that? it’s a numbers war not a fight

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:15 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

MMA isn't fought in a spreadsheet!

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 3, 2008 8:15 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it's fought in our TVs!

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Dec 3, 2008 8:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i almost want to do some MMA Math….shorts shorts won the first round 10-9

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:16 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If houston alexander gets tooken down 8 times, and he gets submitted 75

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 3, 2008 8:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

taken down*

I really need to get more caffeine

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 3, 2008 8:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Martinez doesn’t look in prime shape to me…

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:18 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

whoa I just had a Frank Mir moment and started stuttering the answer

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:19 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes! I found my control just in time. lol

by IHateMMA on Dec 3, 2008 8:20 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

IhateMMA are you Greg Savage or Scott Holmes? They hate MMA too

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:21 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i don’t think joseph has any KO power but he’s putting together better combos

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:21 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Martinez is fighting what is called “a losing fight” he’s just not executing….

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:23 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's executing that one left...over and over

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 3, 2008 8:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Another reason why I want knees on the ground…. Danny lands a knee and Joseph drops to the floor where it’s safe

by Nick Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 8:23 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ooohhh your fighting a losing battle my friend…they don’t want knees on the ground…at least not yet….i want them to CLEARLY DEFINE THE BACK OF THE HEAD THOUGH

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:24 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i hate how Todd Harris doesn’t call the fight…instead he boosts up the winning fighter….it’s horrible. stay on ESPN 2 calling Ball State football games Todd

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:26 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

theirs high school MMA? sweet!

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:27 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i think Martinez knew Joseph couldn’t knock him out….so why didn’t he just throw bombs? frustrating when you have fighters who don’t execute…

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:29 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Danny was 2 rounds and 4 minutes too late.

by Nick Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 8:29 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He has power...

had he committed to throwing a lot of punches to force openings…that’d have been a good idea.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 3, 2008 8:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Frank Mir is impressed.

by Cannon Jacques on Dec 3, 2008 8:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Frank Mir is impressed with all the winners

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

YUP

did seem to stun him for a second, little too late though

by DUGASWARRIOR on Dec 3, 2008 8:31 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he should have worked more angles instead of coming forward so much…striking in MMA has a long way to go

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:31 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's why I think people need to watch more boxing

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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 3, 2008 8:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know and the coaches do too…what MMA guys are doing (most anyway) isn’t boxing…they are throwing…it’s extremely frustrating for them to call joseph a great striker….he’s not…sorry

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:35 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You know the fight isn’t that great when the commentators scramble to talk about Varner and upcoming cards like they did early in the 3rd round. =)

by Nick Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 8:33 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Watch The Contender or TUF semi’s…. hmmmm

by Nick Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 8:34 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have to complete the Mir Marathon, and watch TUF.

by Cannon Jacques on Dec 3, 2008 8:35 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah I know… i was jk =)

by Nick Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 8:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know. I just wanted to say " Mir Marathon."

by Cannon Jacques on Dec 3, 2008 8:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I did love the first season of The Contender though.

by Nick Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 8:37 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so did I….it was good stuff…i could actually watch boxing back then…now I can’t….ugh with guys like De La Hoya just making money and not even caring about fighting it just makes me want to watch that sushi episode of TUF over and over again

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:38 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

try watching someone other than Oscar de la Hoya

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

Camden Chat
Bad Left Hook

by SC on Dec 3, 2008 8:39 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whoa!

When did DLH hit the point where he doesn’t care about fighting? He’s fighting Manny Pacquaio…he fought Mayweather…he isn’t exactly avoiding taking tough fights or anything…

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 3, 2008 8:40 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes

Seeing Stallone in the ring “sparring” in jeans was amazing. I’ll never forget it.

by jebushchrist on Dec 3, 2008 8:38 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not me...

you can edit any fight to look great or like either guy won. I hated not getting to see entire fights and just getting crappy short edits with dramatic music.

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 3, 2008 8:38 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you didn’t like the slow motion in the boxing matches?

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:40 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah… i agree. each fight was like a little movie. Love or hate kinda thing, I didn’t mind it.

by Nick Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 8:40 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I really hated it

But I’ve just never warmed to The Contender. It’s like a talentless TUF for the most part. I mean these guys are 95% club fighters. Still, season three gave us Bika-Codrington and that was a war, so hey.

The lineup for this new season does not excite me.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

Camden Chat
Bad Left Hook

by SC on Dec 3, 2008 8:42 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i can’t believe im going to miss MMA in San Diego…that’s my hometown..dammit

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:38 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The more I hear about faber / pulver 2… the more I’m interested in it.

by Nick Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 8:38 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Then by the end of the night you will be obsessed.

by jebushchrist on Dec 3, 2008 8:40 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brainwashing at it’s finest. =)

by Nick Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 8:41 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

in my email they told me to watch TUF today..it was beautiful

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:42 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

im predicting bowles will move down to top team with all the other GA guys and start training down there soon

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:41 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow

Faber’s little butt chin has been in about 50% of tonight’s footage. When is enough, enough?

by jebushchrist on Dec 3, 2008 8:42 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NEVER

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

Camden Chat
Bad Left Hook

by SC on Dec 3, 2008 8:43 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Urijah Faber’s likeness is etched in my brain at this point.

by Cannon Jacques on Dec 3, 2008 8:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

damn they are going to make me get one of those shirts for the troops

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:45 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

when is Carlos fighting again?

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:45 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I didn’t recognize him without his “scary face”.

by jebushchrist on Dec 3, 2008 8:49 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brian Bowles -145 Will Ribeiro +115

by Nick Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 8:45 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i want a quick break down of Jon Jones and Bonnar…go!

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:46 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bonnar by experience

by Nick Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 8:46 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

did you say the same thing for the Gusamo fight?

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:46 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Only Nelson and Rome predicted Jones… against Gusamo. =)

by Nick Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 8:49 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ha! i think bonnar might be rusty and he never does good with someone who has more quickness than him…it seems…

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:49 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m just happy the fight will be on the main card for UFC 94.

by Nick Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 8:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

main card!
damn thanks for the news Nick Thomas. Way to do your job son!

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:51 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jones via spinning back-something.

Bonnar is more experienced but 14 months between fights is a long-ass time.

by Chris Nelson on Dec 3, 2008 8:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Winner is #1 contender for Torres/Tapia

by Nick Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 8:46 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

does will make a name off of Brian Bowles though?

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:47 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

where is Clay Guida shadow boxing?

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:48 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

strength is attribute…awesome job guys

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:50 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if you wanna touch glove…touch glove NOW!

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:52 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

where’s the technical boxing at by will?

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:53 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i hate it when they add caliber to end of something

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:54 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thats what she said.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 3, 2008 8:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

That’s mma. You dont vote them off, you beat… nvm.

by mythbuster on Dec 3, 2008 8:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

is it just me or is will throwing and then fading away?

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:55 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bad spot for will....

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 3, 2008 8:56 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i could have swore he tapped!

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:56 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah I thought I saw that too…

by Nick Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 8:58 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh nevermind… the replay showed it wasn’t.

by Nick Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 8:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he tapped with the hand on the side of the cage….i swear it

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i didn’t even see the replay…damn

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

two words that don’t belong together…whoppers and virgins

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:58 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i’ll never forget the silence after chuck got knocked out and then just hearing rashad evans wife screaming her head off

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:58 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That was not his wife, if you go back and watch it – when she was in the octagon the screaming was still going on and she was not screaming – it was Chuck’s fiance.

"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007

by lovingmma25 on Dec 4, 2008 10:48 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i didn’t know Mir went to medical school….cartoid artery

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 8:59 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey. Jens Pulver and Urijah Faber are going to fight again.

by Cannon Jacques on Dec 3, 2008 9:00 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

[Nick’s pants grow uncomfortable]

by jebushchrist on Dec 3, 2008 9:01 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

Camden Chat
Bad Left Hook

by SC on Dec 3, 2008 9:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

leno?

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 3, 2008 9:05 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That was well worth your time.

And the highlight of the night, thus far.

by jebushchrist on Dec 3, 2008 9:05 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Garcia finished him! :p

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 3, 2008 9:03 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mir make up YOUR MIND…either Will is a Olympic boxer and great or Bowles is great…

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 9:01 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

im disappointed no condomdepot.com sponsorships yet

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 9:02 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dude paintball!

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 9:04 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Official Paintball Game? So basically UT with no violence and vehicles?

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 3, 2008 9:04 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

is Bowles gassed?

by Nick Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 9:05 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

idk think he’s gassed..i think he’s listening to Mir and hearing about his Olympic boxing

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 9:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You know how highly regarded....

…the brazillian olympic boxing team is…

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 3, 2008 9:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you just made my night what that comment…

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 9:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Guess he was biding his time

by mythbuster on Dec 3, 2008 9:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

10-0? I want to see him and the winner of Tapia/Torres immediately

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 9:07 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Torres it is

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 3, 2008 9:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think I'd take Bowles more seriously

If he didn’t look like a Funky Bunch era Mark Wahlberg.

by jebushchrist on Dec 3, 2008 9:08 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what’s wrong with Max Payne?

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 9:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

“Hey Will Ribeiro, say hi to your mother for me ok?”

by Chris Nelson on Dec 3, 2008 9:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Craig Hummer reminds me of….a better Goldberg

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 9:10 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I want me some Akitoshi Tamura

by Nick Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 9:12 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I want Lesnar Vs. Sapp

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 3, 2008 9:13 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In sengoku, of course

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 3, 2008 9:13 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i want Lesnar v. Eddie Sanchez!

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 9:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Looking forward to watching him tap?

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 3, 2008 9:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My gut is saying upset here.

by Chris Nelson on Dec 3, 2008 9:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

with what? Sapp v Lesnar..fight of the century

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 9:15 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sapp def. Lesnar via drowning (tears) R1

by Chris Nelson on Dec 3, 2008 9:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HA!

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 3, 2008 9:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or sitting on him.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 3, 2008 9:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I want to see Pulver/Faber. Damn Zuffa not so subliminal messaging.

by Cannon Jacques on Dec 3, 2008 9:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is he breakdancing with that headband?

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 3, 2008 9:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no i don’t see cardboard on the mats

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 9:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually, these pictures just get funnier and funnier.

by Cannon Jacques on Dec 3, 2008 9:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh…sorry..im trying to increase my drinkability right now if you know what i mean….maybe you don’t

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 9:12 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Try eating bananas and drinking pineapple juice.

by Richard Wade on Dec 3, 2008 9:13 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wagnney Fabiano -360 Akitoshi Tamura +290

by Nick Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 9:16 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ok nick..thanks for fueling my gambling addiction

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 9:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Time to see IFL Vs. Shooto

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 3, 2008 9:17 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what’s the IFL? Dana hasn’t said anything about the IFL existing?

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 9:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sure he has...

he has echoed our statements that the razordingos vs. the firebats is a stupid ass idea.

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 3, 2008 9:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ha you mean the dragons vs the rainbow kings?

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 9:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

quick fact: i used to live in japan….

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 9:17 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it is…it was a experience I’ll tell ya…i only wish I woke up to MMA when i was there….

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 9:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Used Panty Vending Machines FTW

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 3, 2008 9:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rocky Music. I hate you Fabiano.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 3, 2008 9:18 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hey this reminds me….THE PHILLIES WON THE WORLD SERIES!

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 9:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Low blow.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 3, 2008 9:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh sorry…..wait the phillies!

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 9:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The playoffs were painful. I kept thinking my phone was ringing (Gonna Fly Now ringtone).

by Richard Wade on Dec 3, 2008 9:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

chase utley
ryan howard
jimmy rollins
pedro feliz
oh the list goes on
jayson werth…yes!

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 9:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Howard is so overrated.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 3, 2008 9:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes he is the strikeout king, but he gets it done…oh so does Joe Blanton when he hit that HR!

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 9:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not what I meant with Howard.

And thats not Blanton, thats just Edwin jackson’s suckitude.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 3, 2008 9:22 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

why you gotta have a low blow on Blanton? HE jacked it!

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 9:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hated Jackson and I knew he was gonna do something cringe worthy

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 3, 2008 9:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It’s not the strikeouts. It’s that his offensive value is grossly overstated, he plays in a hitters’ park and he is one of the worst fielders at any position in all of baseball.

by Richard Wade on Dec 3, 2008 9:22 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Plus he has the contact rate of chris leben. ZING

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 3, 2008 9:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

zinger (cymbal crash)

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 9:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so? didn’t we win a world series?

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 9:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Does that all of a sudden make him a better player?

by Richard Wade on Dec 3, 2008 9:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's the David Eckstein theorem.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 3, 2008 9:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

whoa don’t even bring that bullshit into the equation

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 9:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

who doesn't

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

Camden Chat
Bad Left Hook

by SC on Dec 3, 2008 9:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mostly Davey Concepcion

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 3, 2008 9:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well I mean as a commentator

As a player he was superb. Which makes him all the more annoying.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

Camden Chat
Bad Left Hook

by SC on Dec 3, 2008 9:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Arguably the best second baseman of all time. And you’re right, that does make it worse.

by Richard Wade on Dec 3, 2008 9:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no but it doesn’t make him overrated…he’s a champ who heated up when we needed him..nuff said

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 9:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He is grossly overrated. Being on a winning team doesn’t change that.

by Richard Wade on Dec 3, 2008 9:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

grossly? no…he is overrated especially fantasy wise but he gets in done…i can’t hate

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 9:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He is overrated by people who think you can judge a player by RBIs and other bullshit statistics like that.

by Richard Wade on Dec 3, 2008 9:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Your RBI total gets inflated when you have Utley + Rollins table setting

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 3, 2008 9:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hate myself for using the word "Table Setting"

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 3, 2008 9:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mostly because Utley is amazing

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Dec 3, 2008 9:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he is….and i have pic right above my comp showing him hitting the first HR off of Kaz

by blackzag05 on Dec 3, 2008 9:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

best song ever

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

Camden Chat
Bad Left Hook

by SC on Dec 3, 2008 9:18 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh no he didn’t…. (rocky music)

by Nick Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 9:18 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now that’s music.

by Cannon Jacques on Dec 3, 2008 9:18 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I got my fiancee to agree to come into the reception to this song after we get married.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

Camden Chat
Bad Left Hook

by SC on Dec 3, 2008 9:19 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs