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Bloody Elbow November MMA Meta-Rankings: Welterweight

Fighter PointsPromotionLast Rank
1. Georges St. Pierre 575 UFC 1
2. Thiago Alves 541
UFC
2
3. Jon Fitch 532 UFC 3
4. Jake Shields 481
???
5
5. Josh Koscheck 480
UFC
4
6.  Diego Sanchez 453
UFC
6
7. Matt Hughes 423
UFC
7
8. Carlos Condit 365
WEC
8
9. Matt Serra 327 UFC
10
10. Karo Parisyan 325
UFC 9
11. Mike Swick 175
UFC
11
12.  Nick Thompson 172
WVR
12
13. Brock Larson 129
WEC
13
14. Hayato Sakurai 120
DREAM
18
15. Jay Hieron 114
Affliction
20
16. Yoshiyuki Yoshida 110
UFC
14
16. Marcus Davis 110
UFC
15
18. Dustin Hazelett 109
UFC
22
19. Chris Wilson 102
UFC
16
20. Dan Hardy 99
UFC
17
21. Chris Lytle
96
UFC
24
22. B.J. Penn 92
UFC
NR
23. Nick Diaz 82
?
19
24. Akihiro Gono 75
UFC
21
25. Brad Blackburn 71
UFC
25

Here's the November metas. 

Not a great deal of movement to comment on. The UFC/Zuffa continues its utter dominance of this division with 9/10 of the top 10 signed to Zuffa. #4 Jake Shields is the only exception. With the demise of EliteXC, the former champ is in limbo although his lawyers are claiming he's a free-agent due to a 30 day clause in his contract. We'll see about that. If and when he does get free it seems likely that he's headed for the UFC as well.

Only four other fighters in the top 25 are outside the UFC or Zuffa-owned WEC. No rival promotion is anywhere close to building a critical mass in this division.  #12 Nick Thompson hasn't fought since his quick loss to Jake Shields in July and I haven't heard anything about him returning to Japan in the near future. DREAM's #14 Hayato Sakurai is surging a little in the rankings following his September win over UFC vet Kuniyoshi Hironaka. No word on what's next for Japan's top welterweight. Rumor has it that ronin Nick Diaz may be fighting Joe Riggs in a revenge match soon.

Former IFL champ #15 Jay Hieron owes his surge in the rankings due to Five Ounces of Pain updating their rankings and putting him in the top 10. The differences between #13 Brock Larson and #19 Chris Lytle are tiny and picking up a top 10 spot makes for a big jump in a tight field. Hieron's supposed to fight the undefeated Jason High at Affliction's January 24th event. Cross your fingers for that event happening.

As far as upcoming fights in the UFC, #1 Georges St. Pierre will defend his belt against #22 B.J. Penn in what Luke is already calling the fight of our generation at UFC 94 in January. It will be interesting to the chaos in the rankings should B.J. pull off the win. He's already being ranked in this division by several sites in anticipation of the title fight.

#5 Josh Koscheck will follow his tough decision loss to #2 Thiago Alves at UFC 90, by taking on  #16 Yoshiyuki Yoshida at December 10th's Fight for the Troops. Less than 60 days after a brutal bout with one of the toughest strikers in the division, Koscheck will need to thoroughly dominate Yoshida or face a fall in the rankings. That same night will see #11 Mike Swick face UFC journeyman Jonathan Goulet in what should be a gimme fight for Swick.

#25 Brad Blackburn will seek his second UFC win at UFC 92 against journeyman Ryo Chonan. That will be a stiff test for Blackburn.  At UFC 93, #16 Marcus Davis and #21 Chris Lytle will throw down. The winner of that match will hopefully get back on the contender track in the UFC.

In addition to the epic title fight, UFC 94 will pit #10 Karo Parisyan against fast-rising Korean star Dong Hyun "Stun Gun" Kim. And  #3 Jon Fitch will look to get back on track against #24 Akihiro Gono. Not an easy bout for Gono.

Richard has added some very cool charts. Thanks Richard!

NOTE: The Meta-Rankings are not the subjective opinion of the BloodyElbow team, but rather a compilation of the rankings of over twenty leading MMA web sites. It is our opinion that these are the most informative MMA rankings anywhere.

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Based on the premise that opinions are like assholes, everybody has one and they all stink. instead of putting up our own subjective fighter rankings, we compile and average the rankings of every source we could find online.

The goal is to show how the MMA community rates the fighters, not to bore you with our opinions.

Be sure and look at the points, they're a much more telling number than the ranking. There's clearly a huge gulf between the top 9 fighters and those that follow.

A total of 45 fighters were ranked in the top 25 by one source or another, for reasons of sanity I only track the top 25 (26 due to a tie) most highly rated fighters.

25 points are awarded for a first place ranking, 16 for a 10th place ranking, 1 for a 25th place ranking. A formula is used to "normalize" the data so all fighters are awarded points from those lists that do not include a full 25 fighters. Fuller explanation below.

Rankings were compiled from the following sites: MMA Fighting, MMA ELO, FCFighter, TAGG Radio, MMA Weekly, Sherdog, CagePotato, FightMatrix, MMA Playground, HDNet/InsideMMAMMA/VT (Japan), Houston Chronicle Brawl SportsTotal MMAFight Magazine, MMA Ratings, WAMMA, MMA EQ, Five Ounces of Pain, MMA News, Inside Fighting, MMA On Tap, MMA 4 Real, and MMA Blog.

The normalization scheme as explained by JCS of FightMatrix  is here:

The "normalization number" (new name) would be:

120
divided by
(Total Fighters Found in Any List minus 10)

Every fighter found somewhere else, but on a Top 10 list would be assigned this number.

The "normalization" number would not apply to a fighter not found on a Top 25 list. They would simply get 0.

So the process would be:

Do all of the Top 25 lists first, #1 = 25, #2 = 24…. #24 = 2, #25 = 1
Do all of the Top 10 lists, same scoring structure.. stops at #10 = 16

Figure out that normalization variable.

Fill in the normalization variable to all fighters not found in the Top 10 lists, but found elsewhere.

Do your totals and rank.

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Thanks again Kid Nate

Being on the internet gives me a right...nay a responsibility to bitch about things

by beery_pbr on Dec 3, 2008 2:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Prediction

Gono beats Fitch, Fitch dropped by UFC.

Masuki Bance.

by dualdiagnosis on Dec 3, 2008 2:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

“Koshcheck” (error in 5th paragraph)

I cant wait to see Karo fight again, he will probably lose to Stun Gun if his head is still in the clouds.

by DirtyML on Dec 3, 2008 3:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

thanks for catching.

by Kid Nate on Dec 3, 2008 3:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know that a lot of the ranking systems leave him out

But anyone else find it funny that 22nd ranked welterweight in the world is getting a title shot?

by Day Man on Dec 3, 2008 3:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

what’s funny to me is I think B.J. has a better chance of beating GSP than anyone else in the division.

by Kid Nate on Dec 3, 2008 3:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know if thats funny. I think your the two major options are sad or freaking amazing.

by Day Man on Dec 3, 2008 3:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Id rather have seen Thiago get it, but this is a legendary rematch so I can understand, if it was anyone else I’d bitch about it, but BJ is BJ.

by DirtyML on Dec 3, 2008 3:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If we ranked BJ at Welter..

He’d be MUCH higher than 22.

by JCS_FM on Dec 3, 2008 3:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Most ranking systems only rank guys at one weight class and it’s hard not to rank the UFC LW Champion at any class other than LW.

by Richard Wade on Dec 3, 2008 4:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

BJ is so perplexing to rank lol.

after the daley/shields fight… i just can’t see shields as a top 5 WW.

by dbcb on Dec 3, 2008 3:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think Sera and Parisyan are not even close to top 10 talent. They are both fringe top 20 IMO.

by lbk on Dec 3, 2008 3:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

No wonder Jake Shields wants into the UFC so badly. That’s where all the competition is.

by Sokonojudo on Dec 3, 2008 3:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Nick Thompson

Seems perfect for the WEC. They need more top guys to build up their division. The WEC fans are hardcore enough to know who he is, whereas I don’t think most UFC fans do. A match with Condit would really put both fighters to a hard test.

by EazyEismydad on Dec 3, 2008 4:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

If penn beats GSP.. does that automatically make him the #1 light weight according to rankings

on one hand you have the fact he is champ… kind of like people put serra at #1 even though everyone and their mom knew that was crap

but on the other hand… that would make him what… 2-2 in the WW division? it would seem odd to place someone at the top of the division when he rarely fights there.

by dbcb on Dec 3, 2008 4:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

that’s what will be interesting to see. I expect a variety of approaches taken by different sites which the meta-rankings will average out and show you what the consensus opinion is.

by Kid Nate on Dec 3, 2008 5:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Penn would be #1 with us...

I mean its the #1 Lightweight moving up to beat the (BY FAR) #1 Welterweight. I think you right away, have to give him a ton of credit being the top guy at just one division below. Add to that he’d knock off a top P4Per and #1 at 170? Choice is clear if you ask me.

by JCS_FM on Dec 3, 2008 5:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

After reading that FiveOunces put Jay Hieron in the top 10, I had to go over there myself to check it out. I didn’t believe it. It’s true, folks.

Don’t get me wrong. Jay Hieron is a talented fighter. He used to train boxing out of the same gym I used to go to for muay thai. With the right fights, the guy definitely has the talent to be top 10. But are you going to tell me, that as of right now, Hieron is ranked higher than guys like Serra, Swick, and Karo? Really? It doesn’t make sense.

by dropkick101 on Dec 3, 2008 7:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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