I'm Certain the WEC Does Not Need Gina Carano
by Luke Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 11:04 AM EST
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Gina Carano is named 5th most influential women in 2008 by Yahoo. Who on earth could use a fighter with such little appeal?
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dana should just put gina in superfights in the ufc
by WARMMA on Dec 3, 2008 11:06 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
No
he shouldn’t. UFC is just fine. they don’t need this and it wouldn;t boost their ppv sales significantly. The WEC, however could absolutely use the boost to their ratings that Gina would bring.
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by BJJDenver on Dec 3, 2008 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree 100%. The UFC fails to air enough quality fights, they don’t need more of them getting bumped off the card.
The WEC, on the other hand, needs more draws.
by Day Man on Dec 3, 2008 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope..
the WEC needs her more.. the UFC will be fine without her.. and ‘superfights’?
..after cyborg (i dont think that counts as a superfight either, but whatever..), what other matchup could be called a ‘superfight’?
Maybe miguel torres? :)
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by Anton Tabuena on Dec 3, 2008 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course the UFC will be fine with out her...
But IMO for MMA overall I think it would be better if she was in UFC. WEC just needs to be on a different station. Spike, USA, TNT, TBS….
by xFenixKnightx on Dec 3, 2008 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that the WEC would be better served on a higher profile network, but Gina would be the huge mainstream draw that they are lacking.
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by BJJDenver on Dec 3, 2008 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
like elite xc? :)
..the wec is banking too much on faber and torres. Faber already lost, and what happens if torres loses too? they need more star power, and carano is the solution to that.
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by Anton Tabuena on Dec 3, 2008 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Behold the indisputable fact that is the yahoo buzz button!!!!
It would not surprise me if this was calculated the same way mma-elo ranks fighters.
Sarah Palin > Oprah Winfrey = retarded monkey
Being on the internet gives me a right...nay a responsibility to bitch about things
by beery_pbr on Dec 3, 2008 11:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Aren’t you the same guy who equated the mass media/market attention Gina was able to generate with forced women’s sports on college campuses due to Title IX? And you’re critiquing someone else’s methodology?
by Luke Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I am just saying no one is clambering to for a woman’s over forty swimming organization as a star vehicle for Danna Torres. Why? Because the talent pool and competition is not there.
Being on the internet gives me a right...nay a responsibility to bitch about things
by beery_pbr on Dec 3, 2008 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Women are not influential. The poll itself is flawed. Dara Torres is an old swimmer that I have heard say all of five word. They try to make it legit by having some powerful women like Winfrey and Clinton, but this is a joke. Very suspect evidence for Luke’s thesis. Not that I disagree, but you are not winning me over with this either.
by szucconi on Dec 3, 2008 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Women are not influential.
I detect trouble…please tell me you didn’t mean this at face value.
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by themachiavellian on Dec 3, 2008 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If this list is any indication, then they are not.
by szucconi on Dec 3, 2008 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What are you talking about?? This is a Yahoo! list meaning it’s not going to concern human rights activists or green company CEO’s that no one has ever heard of on it. It is going to include public faces in politics, sports, and entertainment.
Jolie is one of the highest paid people in Hollywood. She adopts friggin’ children from third world countries. She contributes an exorbitant amount of time and money helping other people.
There’s no denying the impact of women in politics like Michelle Obama, Hilary, and even Sarah Palin. Gina Carano is the face of women in MMA – a brutal but technical sport that has been dominated my men. Fighting is one section of sports and entertainment that is still dominated by males and Carano not only came in and showed she could hang in the sport but could steal the show.
You are an idiot.
by dropkick101 on Dec 3, 2008 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I realize that some of the women on the list have power and infuence, but the list is reduculous. Its like they equate popularity with infuence and that is not the case. The title is really what I have a problem with, not women having power.
You are a sheep.
by szucconi on Dec 3, 2008 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If the title is the problem, then you should have said that. Saying “Women are not influential” means something entirely different. I agree the list is stupid, but it’s not sexist or revelatory or anything other than silly. Had you said what you meant the first time, you wouldn’t be seen as a misogynist.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Dec 3, 2008 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sounds kinda sexist..
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by Anton Tabuena on Dec 3, 2008 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It is sexist. To say the play field is equal and you have to round out your top ten with a swimmer that was special because she is old and whom I haven’t seen anywhere in months is pathetic. Women need to get there act together and stop letting Jolie top this list or I am going to start a movement to take away there right to vote.
by szucconi on Dec 3, 2008 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
you are missing the meaning of ‘influential’.
by Brynja on Dec 3, 2008 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I know what influential means, Yahoo does not.
by szucconi on Dec 3, 2008 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the list is about people who generate the most attention in yahoo.. Is it the swimmer’s fault that people type in her name often? There wasn’t even a claim that she’s the best swimmer out there. Learn to read you sexist fuck.
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by Anton Tabuena on Dec 3, 2008 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I did read. Its not Dara Torres’ fault. I blame Vera Chan? I guess. I swear I am not sexist, its just a frustrating peice of crap “poll”. I really am very progressive, but “polls” like this one slow down progress. “influential” my ass.
by szucconi on Dec 3, 2008 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It is sexist. To say the play field is equal and you have to round out your top ten with a swimmer that was special because she is old and whom I haven’t seen anywhere in months is pathetic. Women need to get there act together and stop letting Jolie top this list or I am going to start a movement to take away there right to vote.
Women are not influential.
now you’re not sexist?
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by Anton Tabuena on Dec 3, 2008 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If this is the list of the top 10 influential women (which it is not) then they really are not influential. Calling this a list of the most influential women is sexist.
by szucconi on Dec 3, 2008 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the poll didnt make anyone sexist..
regardless of whatever the topic or poll is, Saying Women are not influential, does make you sexist..
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by Anton Tabuena on Dec 3, 2008 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I also agree, but I wasn’t presenting it as a thesis, I was responding to the topic at hand. If this is the list, then they are not. Also, you are allowed to think I am sexist, that is fine. I just think women are being poorly represented. I like Tina Fey, head writer at SNL for years and really funny (not as funny as Amy Pohler), but she is on this list for doing an impression of someone else on the list and doing it recently. She is not that influential.
by szucconi on Dec 3, 2008 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah ok
I think we can all agree the list is stupid, but online polls tend to be. Your opinion of the list is not what made you sexist, of course thats your opinion… saying things like ‘women are not influential’ and ’I’m going to start a movement to take away their right to vote’ is what makes you sound sexist.
by Brynja on Dec 3, 2008 12:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
do i sense some backpedaling?
now you say theyre not represented properly because tina fey isnt that influential.. So now there are women who are influential that should be on the list? I thought there arent any influential women? i thought you wanted to start that movement to take away their voting rights?..
now youre gonna try and say that youre not sexist, and you just hate the poll?
Okay. sure. goodluck with that. :)
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by Anton Tabuena on Dec 3, 2008 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Me? Backpedal? never. The vote this was a joke. Don’t get you panties in a bunch. (also a joke) I would argue that 5 of the 10 have an argument to be on the list for 2008. And I will add one that you might not think of, Miley Cyrus, shaping the next generation of young women, but god is that show over acted.
by szucconi on Dec 3, 2008 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what century are you living in?
you can’t justifiably come out with statements like ‘women are not influential’. you just sound ignorant.
by Brynja on Dec 3, 2008 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Gina Carano becoming a pop culture phenomenon?
by dropkick101 on Dec 3, 2008 11:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
WOW
This is major! More Influential than the soon to be First Lady!
all you gotta do is...
by imapimp08 on Dec 3, 2008 11:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
When Sarah Palin is 2nd on the list, I discredit it and the people that put her in that spot IMMEDIATELY.
by lbk on Dec 3, 2008 11:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
It’s got nothing to do with likability. To suggest there is no buzz or intrigue surrounding Palin is demonstrably false.
by Luke Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was kidding. But most “intelligent” people know she’s a joke.
by lbk on Dec 3, 2008 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good call putting intelligent in scare quotes.
by Richard Wade on Dec 3, 2008 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
By the way, legit question, not being sarcastic
by Day Man on Dec 3, 2008 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I liked wikipedia's definition:
Scare quotes is a general term for quotation marks used for purposes other than to identify a direct quotation. For example, authors might use quotation marks to highlight special terminology, to distance the writer from the material being reported, to indicate that it is someone else’s terminology, or to bring attention to a word or phrase as questionable or at least atypical in some way.
Scare quotes are often intended to provoke a negative association for the word or phrase enclosed in the quotes, or at least a suspicion about the appropriateness or full truth that might be presumed if the quotes were omitted. When communicating face-to-face, an approximation of scare quotes is a hand gesture known as air quotes or finger quotes, which mimics the appearance of quotation marks.
by Richard Wade on Dec 3, 2008 6:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Soon to be GILF? Call Kimbo and the Reality Kings guys!
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by BJJDenver on Dec 3, 2008 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would be 1st in line to buy that. As would most people that put her on these type of lists..that’s the point. She’s not really “Influential” so much as someone people would rather spray their future kids all over..
by lbk on Dec 3, 2008 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So what the crap are Clinton, Walters and Oprah doing on that list? No one wants to bang them.
by Discman2 on Dec 3, 2008 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Speak for yourself! lol
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by BJJDenver on Dec 3, 2008 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d do Oprah… for the money. Like Dave Chappelle
by Discman2 on Dec 3, 2008 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Amen and nice reference!
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by BJJDenver on Dec 3, 2008 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I gurantee that people have different motives for the people they select.
For example, most people that select Oprah admire her for being a gorundbreaking, intelligent talk show host.
Most people that admire Palin want to..well..sleep with her?
by lbk on Dec 3, 2008 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
These lists are a joke. They mix in people from different areas of life just to make the lists more interesting.
I 100% agree, however, that Gina would make a welcome addition to the WEC, whether in superfights (which i think is best) or to start a women’s division.
http://eliotmarshall.com/
by BJJDenver on Dec 3, 2008 11:40 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The list is based on trending...
…not on personal bias…unless I misread what the “poll” actually is.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 3, 2008 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I simply meant that they don’t accurately portray the most powerful people. Just like People magazine doesn’t portray the real sexiest man in the world, thus my omission, lol.
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by BJJDenver on Dec 3, 2008 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are correct. People are acting like a panel came up with this. They didn’t. They are from metrics derived from online interest.
by Luke Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Which is ridiculous.
Remember when Britney flashed the cooch and everyone searched her online. I guess that would make her tops on the list at that time, lol. Well, at least part of her!
Obviously if a panel of knowledgeable people put together a list like this, she would be nowhere to be found.
And I say Tina Fey doing her impression, was actually more influential than the real Sarah Palin!
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by BJJDenver on Dec 3, 2008 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But they title is influential women? How is that even right? Should be Women in the news, then your argument would hold more water.
by szucconi on Dec 3, 2008 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. The title of their rankings is very misleading, imo.
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by BJJDenver on Dec 3, 2008 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think ‘influential’ is the appropriate term. It lends more credibility than ‘popular’ or something more in that vain. We’ve gone from people clamoring for Zuffa to promote female fights all the way to Gina headlining a UFC card. I believe it’s a bit much. The WEC would be a fine starting point and a low risk proposition.
by Cannon Jacques on Dec 3, 2008 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
“To come up with the Yahoo! Year in Review, our editors analyze search queries based upon a number of factors, including absolute volume and growth versus previous periods, to see which themes and trends bubble to the surface. Of course, individual users and their searches remain anonymous.”
It is so much complicated than any of you are giving credit to. If you don’t think “influential” is the most appropriate title, that’s one thing. But it does not follow that because the title is overreaching or inappropriate that the sustained and pronounced interest in Carano is somehow meaningless.
by Luke Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
would you not agree that the interest is in Carano herself and not in women’s MMA
Being on the internet gives me a right...nay a responsibility to bitch about things
by beery_pbr on Dec 3, 2008 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would say most of it
it on Carano herself, but not all. She would have of course generated interest in the sport too.
by Brynja on Dec 3, 2008 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think most people would consider it a no-brainer to have Carano headline or co-headline an event in the WEC.
I don’t understand why you seem to think this is an earth shattering revelation?
by lbk on Dec 3, 2008 12:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The WNBA just folded the Houston Comets, the team that won four league championships over the last decade. I think the whole idea of getting legions of women to watch any sport religiously – the wet dream of sporting execs everywhere – is just not going to happen. The interest simply isn’t there. Should the WEC be trying to build it? Absolutely. But are they being criminally negligent by not doing so? I don’t think so.
I like Women’s MMA, but it’s really in its infancy. You’d be hard pressed to make a 1-20 p4p list on the women’s side, and I bet the bottom half would be pretty bad. Gina-Cyborg is a fight that needs to happen. That’s it.
by subo on Dec 3, 2008 11:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Women don;t watch mma for women fighters, imo as a generality. They watch for Huerta and GSP, etc…
I would guess that is probably true for most sports, but i may be off here.
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by BJJDenver on Dec 3, 2008 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My wife watches
Because I make her watch. I say you dont like it go upstairs or go to bed :P
Luckily she really got into TUF this season and she hasn’t missed one! My plan is going accordingly :)
by xFenixKnightx on Dec 3, 2008 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Some women! glad you said as a generality :)
For what it’s worth, I watch any and every MMA fight that happens to be on for the fight itself, not the man or woman unless it is someone I am a particular fan of. Like Joachim Hanson or Cris Santos. Male and female there. Both fighters I like because of their styles. No other reason.
by Brynja on Dec 3, 2008 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol! No way I would step into that trap!
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by BJJDenver on Dec 3, 2008 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the target market of female MMA fights are still mostly men.. Yes females would also tune in, but the demographic they are targeting with those fights are the same as regular mma fans, men at around 18-34 i think.
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by Anton Tabuena on Dec 3, 2008 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Subo
I’m from Houston, I just heard about that. Really couldn’t care less…
Just the idea of a WNBA was dumb to me.
by xFenixKnightx on Dec 3, 2008 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I equate this with doing pound for pound rankings with sherdog fight finder lookups count on each fighter.
by szucconi on Dec 3, 2008 12:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Oh come on. Now you’re not even making sense.
by Luke Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How is it diffrent? They are making the list with raw totals and slopes on the curve and adding a title that doesn’t fit at all. It just so happens that some people that should be on the list are on it.
by szucconi on Dec 3, 2008 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re taking the poll more seriously than Yahoo is. The title is just for atmospherics. The point of the entire thing is to measure, to the extent possible, who is a mover and shaker in our culture and popular society. Carano is clearly a hugely popular figure that is making serious waves yet is unemployed. You’re hung up on semantics.
by Luke Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Its not just semantics, its meaning. If I made a list of seached fighters from sherdog and called it a top 10 fighter buzz then that would be interesting. If I did the same list and called it Smartest fighters or Best fighters then I would be laughed out of BE.
by szucconi on Dec 3, 2008 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Where the hell did they get the data for this list????
Seriously, how did they determine that? How many viewers they pulled in on TV screens or in magazines or what?
I can’t imagine I could ask 50 people in my town who Gina Carano is and maybe 1 would know. Eveyone would know eveyone else on the list. How is Carano particularlly infulential? Srsly.
Some sorta enpowered dykes that see Gina as the female making endrows in a male sport must have made this list just off the top of their head.
by Dexerion on Dec 3, 2008 12:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
“To come up with the Yahoo! Year in Review, our editors analyze search queries based upon a number of factors, including absolute volume and growth versus previous periods, to see which themes and trends bubble to the surface. Of course, individual users and their searches remain anonymous.”
by Luke Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
“Some sorta enpowered dykes that see Gina as the female making endrows in a male sport must have made this list just off the top of their head.”
And you’re homophobic. Consider this your first and only warning.
by Luke Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WTF?
Some sorta enpowered dykes that see Gina as the female making endrows in a male sport must have made this list just off the top of their head.
And I would say ‘male dominated’ sport, it doesnt belong exclusively to men.
by Brynja on Dec 3, 2008 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone who thinks combat sports are male-only should just look at the female Muay Thai scene – Master Toddy FTW!
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Dec 3, 2008 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This debate could go on indefinitely. I’m not exactly sure the extent to which search queries are indicative of influence. “Influential” is such a subjective term that one could make a case that its use in this circumstance is fine.
Quantitatively, “influential” just doesn’t tell me much. Actually, this whole thing is just more evidence that Gina Carano is a popular figure with a broad appeal.
Maybe, we should just take the list for what it is and not get too terribly upset over Yahoo’s imprecise usage of certain terms.
by Cannon Jacques on Dec 3, 2008 12:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yup. i totally agree. They’re making it such a big deal just because they used the term ‘influential’.. I dont have a problem with that because it is obvious what the poll means and what the author intended to say with it..
what really bugs me is just how SOME people here are making some ignorant and sexist statements.. *cough*szucconi*cough*
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by Anton Tabuena on Dec 3, 2008 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can see both sides. I really don’t like using the term “influential” to describe this poll. I wouldn’t have used it in this instance.
by Cannon Jacques on Dec 3, 2008 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Holy Crap!!
So last nite i came home with a few beers in me, so i popped online and did my ritualistic check of BloodyElbow.com. I see in another post that Luke really favors Carano in the WEC, so i let my frustration out in a post basically stating that Carano and Womens MMA is severely overrated. Then i wake up this morning and theres a whole thread and flame session dedicated to Carano and womens MMA. Obviously this is a hot button issue, and most of the people on this site (most of whom i generally like) have been to politically correct to talk about it.
by nitro on Dec 3, 2008 12:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yea this is pretty much all your fault dude
Being on the internet gives me a right...nay a responsibility to bitch about things
by beery_pbr on Dec 3, 2008 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At least people are talking about it now, this is healthy.
by nitro on Dec 3, 2008 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m still not convinced that a full Women’s division in WEC could be successful. Gina is enormously popular but outside her and Cyborg, would people watch other fights. I just think people like seeing her fight cause she’s attractive and a celebrity. If I were Gina I’d try to stay on CBS with whoever might pick up the contract (KOTC ?,etc.)
by Sokonojudo on Dec 3, 2008 12:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
using your example, that Kim Coulture fight in strikeforce the other day was just awful. I think fights like those would be more the norm that the exception.
by lbk on Dec 3, 2008 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thank you lbk
I have no problem with women fighting in MMA, I feel that a women’s division would be nothing more that a “star vehicle” for Gina.
Being on the internet gives me a right...nay a responsibility to bitch about things
by beery_pbr on Dec 3, 2008 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that fight was awful. I guess Kim could attract more viewers but I think it has to do more with the fact that her last name is “Couture” and she’s married to Randy. Everyone likes Randy.
by Sokonojudo on Dec 3, 2008 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think people would watch other fights
maybe it would start small and take time, but MMA had to grow in popularity anyway. It’s still growing. I would watch other female fights. My fiance would watch other female fights. Other people I know would for sure… thats a few right there and thats just people I know.
by Brynja on Dec 3, 2008 12:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Women don’t watch boxing, kick boxing, other violent sports for a reason. They generally don’t like watching violent sports.
Why do people think women MMA fighters will draw in women for some reason? It’s still violent in its core.
Will more men watch if Carano fights? Maybe. I personally couldn’t care less and don’t think women should be fighting in MMA.
Can’t there ONE thing that women aren’t able to join? And if there is, shouldn’t MMA be good enough to qualify as that one thing?
Not trying to come off sexist, I just generally don’t like seeing women bleeding.
by lbk on Dec 3, 2008 12:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah ok you're right
I have seen the light. I shall stop training martial arts this instant, no matter that it is my whole life and has been for the last 6 years! I shall stop watching all of the boxing, MMA and Thai Boxing fights I enjoy SO much cause it’s just stupid I mean why the hell would I like that being a woman and all. I think I will watch Desperate Housewives instead.
OK, I am off now to go and find a nice knitting club… or maybe crochet? actually lbk what do you think? maybe you should tell me what to do? knitting or crochet I can’t decide.
by Brynja on Dec 3, 2008 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer knitting. I knit while watching fights sometimes. I need something to do with my hands. Plus, when you are done you have a blanket so thats a bonus.
by szucconi on Dec 3, 2008 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve got a lovely cross-stitch I’ve been working on that maybe you can help me with tonight.
by Brett Jones on Dec 3, 2008 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The funny thing is, I know you are kidding because cross-stitch is borring and stupid looking. It is truly busy work. Knitting, which I really can do, is functional. I have a problem with purling (I am not good at it), but my goal is to make my own sock. I was told that if you knit your own socks then they will last forever.
by szucconi on Dec 3, 2008 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So should we throw you a coming out party, or do you not want to break your mother’s heart so close to Christmas?
by Brett Jones on Dec 4, 2008 9:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I sincerely douby I am in the minority with this opinion.
by lbk on Dec 3, 2008 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well fortunately to me your opinion is not worth anything
the opinions of people that matter to me are all positive and support my training – my fiance / MMA instructor is the proudest guy in the world to have a girl who is a good fighter, likes to watch fights for the fights and totally supportive of his training too. My Thai Boxing instructor is so proud when I am winning fights by knock out and TKO, and training harder than anyone else in the gym, male or female. All my friends at the gym (mostly male I may add) have never been as disrepectful as you were above. I am one of the best fighters in my gym. I love the sport – its my life and I would never give it up. So if you were ever around me or the people in my life, you would be the minority opinion.
And I can already knit AND crochet by the way, I am just one hell of a mulit talented girl and proud of it.
by Brynja on Dec 3, 2008 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think womens MMA is a novelty at this point, but so was the UFC in the begining. It needs time to grow. One thing I think people miss is that they think Women’s MMA will bring in big numbers from women, not true. It will still be bringing in men, just more of them to try to see carano or someone as good looking. But that;s its path to growth and development. The NFL is big and growing with women veiwers, but that is a long, long term goal. The shorter term goal is to make events a must see thing for the target, men. Then women will slowly start to get sucked in by men they know and other women fans that they know. Does womens MMA need to be included in this? no. But it is going to get a lot of fresh eyes and possibly short cut a lot of the garbage tactics like giving Lesner a title shot before he was tested. Before I get another mass set of replies, let me clearify. He is great at what he does, but has holes like his ground game. He fought one ground fighter and lost, but still got a title shot. Great match up and fight, but questionable on merit. I mean Cote got through Almedia first, at least.
by szucconi on Dec 3, 2008 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and good luck with fighting, but I would tone down the “training harder than anyone else in the gym, male or female” talk. If you are that confident that you are the hardest worker then you need to find a new gym. Its one thing to get that said about you by others, but everyone I ever have known to say that about themselves was mistaken or training with scrubs.
On another note, where do you fight? what part of the country?
by szucconi on Dec 3, 2008 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well normally
I am the most modest person you could meet! I think I have the right to be a little defensive, especially if others have the right to be so opinionated. I was defending my interests and things I love, I don’t see that women have any less right to love fight sports than men. Yes alot of women hate blood and violence, but some men do so what?
I train in the midlands in England and fight wherever the shows are.
by Brynja on Dec 3, 2008 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I expected Cali or Canada.
I thought you might be upselling to better state your point, but everyone works hard and I hate it when people think they are working hardest when that really doesn’t mean anything. But you were just making a point and I understand.
by szucconi on Dec 3, 2008 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you take that much offense to a comment like that, your head would melt if you actually opened your eyes and realized how little people actually care about women in MMA. You’re like that woman in HS..you know..the ONE..that likes to try out every year for the wrestling team and causes an uproar. Sure, she is capable and willing but in the end, does anyone really care?
Again, I don’t like to see women punch each other. I suspect most share my opinion (Ever hear Bas Ruttens take on the subject..you should it would enlighten you). Sorry you take offense to it.
by lbk on Dec 3, 2008 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was more of a build up of offense at a few comments not just one.
I think people do care about women in MMA, If they didnt there would be such heated debates. There are just very diverse opinions on it. But whatever, your opinion is quite clear and you’re welcome to it. Like I said I am just glad I am lucky enough to be surrounded by supportive people.
by Brynja on Dec 3, 2008 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sexist, more like misogynist & perspective
"Will more men watch if Carano fights? Maybe. I personally couldn’t care less and don’t think women should be fighting in MMA. Can’t there ONE thing that women aren’t able to join? And if there is, shouldn’t MMA be good enough to qualify as that one thing?
Not trying to come off sexist, I just generally don’t like seeing women bleeding"
you definitely are coming off sexist w/ that remark. please, u sound like karo parisyian. why is it that there HAS TO BE one thing men do that women don’t do?? saying you don’t like watchin em bleed is a copout, b/c the “ONE thing” “they can’t join”, etc. are your true feelings. are you not secure enough that you really care that women participate in things that men do, MUST there be exclusivity?
you don’t like it, then don’t watch, but plain and simple, women and people in general should be able to participate in anything they damn well want to regardless of sex, race, etc. people are blowing this list out of proportion. many young female teens and women tell gina that she is an inspiration to them, or that they have taken up mma b/c of her, or they’re happy to see a female fighter doing well, blah blah.
you want to call that influence, sure, go ahead,
i don’t think yahoo was trying to come off as saying that the women they named deserve nobel peace or pulitizer prizes. take things in context, including the fact that the ole boys clubs are few and far between in the 21st century.
by theflyingtsunami on Dec 4, 2008 12:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lolPalin is #2…
Who has she influenced you ask? The South Carolina girl. lol
You know…The one that wants to feed and educate the South Africas and the Iraqs.
And the asian countries, you can’t forget about the Asian countries.
by IHateMMA on Dec 3, 2008 12:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well...
there was that big poll that came out earlier this week stating that the overwhelming majority of republicans want her to run in 2012 and become the “face of the party” for the future. So I’d say she does have some influence…my own personal feelings on her aside.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 3, 2008 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
She’s got tremendous charm to her base and she drives those not from her base away from her as if she has the plague.
That’s influence, doncha know. wink
by Brett Jones on Dec 3, 2008 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently when you put a word between two asterisks (*) it makes that word bold.
So, that’s weird and sort of ruins the joke. But I was serious about her being influential, if not necessarily in the way she or her part would intend.
by Brett Jones on Dec 3, 2008 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Problem solved
WEC 39 :Chick Grand Prix
Rd1
Katie Couric vs Babra Walters
Michelle Obama vs Tina Fey
Hillary Clinton vs Gina Carano
Sarah Palin vs Oprah Winfrey
And now we have a women’s division and PPV launch pad!
Being on the internet gives me a right...nay a responsibility to bitch about things
by beery_pbr on Dec 3, 2008 1:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’d watch too, but only for the BE betting game.
Being on the internet gives me a right...nay a responsibility to bitch about things
by beery_pbr on Dec 3, 2008 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Palin & Oprah knock each other out, everyone wins!
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Dec 3, 2008 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Clinton
Hillary would kick Gina’s ass…sorry guys but you all know it’s true.
by rainmaker6 on Dec 3, 2008 9:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What a terrible list.
Angelina Jolie is more influential for adopting kids than Hilary Clinton was for running as president?
What a joke.
by DirtyML on Dec 3, 2008 3:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I bet that Yahoo judges influence by the number of web searches through its browser. If you search for them then I guess they’re deemed “influential”.
by Sokonojudo on Dec 3, 2008 3:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
ONE FINAL TIME!
THIS IS A LIST COMPILED VIA METRICS BASED ON SEARCH TRAFFIC!
Everyone needs to chill out a bit with the bashing of the people who put together the list. Yes, the title of said list is misleading…but seriously guys…chill out a bit.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 3, 2008 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
There’s always someone trying to squeeze a lemon, Brent.
by Luke Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Between this and the Elf bashing...
…in the live results thread I’m losing my mind…
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 3, 2008 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This thread is like the deepest pit of human stupidity. I just feel sorry for Brynja, who certainly shouldn’t stop training because some dudes hate the idea of sharing their sport.
by Michael Rome on Dec 3, 2008 7:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
in my opinion stupidity is enjoying women punching each other in the face
by swiftman on Dec 3, 2008 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, your opinion on this issue is really, really bad.
by Luke Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 9:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't call it stupidity
It’s a matter of what you like. I personally don’t think women should be punching each ther in the face either. Does that make me sexist?
by rainmaker6 on Dec 3, 2008 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily. Just don’t say it’s stupid to enjoy women’s MMA. It’s an amazingly unacceptable position.
by Luke Thomas on Dec 3, 2008 10:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
100% agreed
It’s fine if you don’t like womens MMA. But recognize that to each his own.
by rainmaker6 on Dec 3, 2008 10:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
in my face women is enjoying stupidity punching each other in the opinion
by Discman2 on Dec 3, 2008 9:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Loving every comment
Haha – Brent. I’m loving every comment. It’s weird how this little poll could have created such a huge BE firestorm. The pity is there is no intelligent debate going on here. It’s just people sticking up their own random thoughts and everyone else jumping on them.
To everyone else: My two cents.
1. This is an opinion piece by a Yahoo writer that ranks the individuals on how much they get searched and includes their own personal bias. It’s NOT a simple who gets searched more (that list is here http://buzz.yahoo.com/yearinreview2008/top10/). Having said that, if this were the week after A Night in Paris came out then Paris Hilton would probably have been ranked one of the top ten most influential women on the planet.
2. The writer seemed to have deliberately chosen postive female role models. For this reason highly searched celebrities like Britney Spears and Lindsay Lohan were left out. This year was an election year so political figures came in relatively high.
3. Gina Carano is a great positive role model for girls. Beautiful and talented, no one can say that she has just been relying on her looks alone. She trains and fights as hard as anyone.
4. Lets stick to MMA and take the whole feminism debate elsewhere. Would I like to watch female MMA? To be honest – I’m not that keen. I have the ‘Dana’ viewpoint that I’m not really into seeing girls beating each other up. No offense intended to any girls who train MMA – all respect to you, but that’s just not my thing. Just like I don’t like watching girls play football. I think a WNFL would be the dumbest thing ever.
5. Would Gina Carano in the WEC be good for MMA. Most definitely. I think she would hugely up the profile of the WEC. It’s the perfect venue for her to showcase her talents. It would help the WEC leverage a better TV deal and get more exposure for uber-talented guys like Miguel Torres and Urijah Faber. I agree with previous musings of only having ONE womens weight class at 145. There really isn’t a necessity to have more weight classes. In fact it’s a pity that Gina is actually as big as she is because I think a more suitable weight would be somewhere around 130. The majority of women would be able to make this weight class and make a fight competitive. When the talent pool gets deeper then more weight classes can be added in.
6. Hillary Clinton would kick Gina Carano’s ass anyday of the week. Twice on Sunday when God has got her back.
by rainmaker6 on Dec 3, 2008 9:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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