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Why Forrest lost!

There were two fights in UFC 92 that I was supremely confident in predicting: Jackson vs. Silva and Forrest vs. Evans.  After watching the fights, however, I was wrong on one account -- Forrest, actually, should have won that fight: Rashad was performing to the most of his potential and Griffin was not.

The fight, stylistically speaking, went down almost exactly as I had imagined.  Forrest would use his length to keep Evans at bay.  Evans would use his speed to slip inside and deliver some power. This is exactly what happened, except for how effective Griffin was. Every time Evans went in, he had to wade through some serious offense, and when he was on the outside, he had to be continuously wary of that long jab and vicious leg kick.  I wasn't expecting Griffin to be able to put up that much of a fight.

So, why did Griffin lose? HE GASSED!  I'm not close to Forrest, so I can't make this claim with any immediate certainty, but Forrest is a pretty emotional guy. Rashad is dancing around doing nipple tweaks, grabbing his nuts and smiling while Griffin is taking deep breathes and looking rather somber, and frankly, a little tired.  The Adrenaline Dump is something that has been talked about before. It is something that we, as fans, have all seen before -- one fighter comes in bouncing around the octagon, and by the second round looks like he's been hit with a tranquilizer dart. This is exactly what happened to Forrest. We saw, in the Rampage fight, forrest go to the ground and immediately display a vicious guard. With Evans we saw the laziest, sleepiest, most tired display of jiu jitsu I've ever seen from Griffin.  And the signs were being displayed well before the fight went to the ground. At one point, Forrest had dazed Evans with a straight punch, he tried to pour it on but it looked tired, slow motion, like his muscles had nothing left to give. Evans made note of it by laughing and grabbing his crotch.  That's when the fight was really over. Forrest was spent.

He actually looked a little lazy while walking to the Octagon. Now, more than ever, I believe that if Forrest could get his head straight, he would be the best 205er, by far!

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He did gas but more importantly, why? Why would a guy who busts his ass maybe better than anyone in MMA during his training camp gas before the third round? (speaking to the Adrenaline Dump) Is Forrest the type of guy who has his best fights when he is slated to lose, therefore, has nothing to lose? I think that we will see the true Forrest Griffin in his next bout and find out if he can put those emotions in check.

by donkeypunch on Dec 29, 2008 8:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

That's it...

Clearly his gassing had nothing to do with his training. It had to do with his mental state. An adrenaline dumb can not be avoided through training, it can only be avoided through mental soundness. Frank Mir is the perfect example of this. His immense confidence, and calm demeanor is what won that fight for him. I was not at all impressed with Mir’s physique or conditioning (he started to get noticeably tired), it was how relaxed he looked during the fight and before.

That's just a big son of a bitch -- that's all there is to it.

by mma_dude on Dec 29, 2008 9:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Forrest may have gassed himself throwing 58 kicks. There’s a reason great kickboxers don’t just kick over and over. It is a lot more tiring than throwing a punch.

by Michael Rome on Dec 29, 2008 9:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Exactly. It is not an excuse if you burn yourself out in a fight. That’s what training is for.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 29, 2008 9:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t pick Forrest, because he’s really not a threat to finish guys off. He whittles a guy down over the course of a long match, scoring points in the process. Forrest has to execute a near perfect gameplan every time out against the top fighters in his division. I’ve got a lot of respect for Forrest as a fighter and as a person, but he just he lacks the speed and punching power of Rashad. Rashad played his game quite well as he did against Liddell. He had five rounds to finish Forrest, and he waited for his opportunity when Forrest slowed down. I give Rashad Evans a lot of credit. He’s really augmented his skill set over the years.

by Cannon Jacques on Dec 29, 2008 9:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Just to point it out somewhere...

I had two wrong. I should start this betting thing..

by Blackout612 on Dec 30, 2008 1:17 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Forrest lost because he’s a mediocre talent in a division full of guys with amazing talent. He’s always going to be that guy with heart that fans love. He will win a couple fights against guys he has no reason beating. in the end, he will always be a fringe top 10 guy IMO. i was amazing to see him listed as the no 1 LHW there for awhile.

by lbk on Dec 30, 2008 9:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Forrest has a poor MMA guard.

Watch the end of the Jardine and Evans fights. Exact same ending. Taking punches when the opponent is in his guard.

Plus, did Rashad do the nipple pinch b4 the fight? I didnt see it but he must have.

by Headkick on Dec 30, 2008 12:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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