The Winners And Losers Of UFC 92
Thought I would do some analysis of the winners and losers of tonight's fights.
First off, the winners:
1. Frank Mir: What can you say? Is there a better story than Frank Mir right now? Down and out after getting hit by a car on his motorcycle and suffering a broken leg and then looking bad in his first few fights back to now holding one half of the heavyweight title. He submitted the the holder of the other half of the heavyweight title, Brock Lesnar, in his UFC debut and now is the first man to finish the legend, Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira. He looked great in this fight. Mir controlled the fight from the beginning until its end. Now he gets re-matched with an ever improving Brock Lesnar. But what will Lesnar do now? Take him to the ground where he will again be faced with black belt BJJ or can he stand with Mir's newly improved striking? I think a re-motivated and dedicated Mir will be dangerous for Lesnar as he will have a few more months to improve his cardio and get his striking a little more crisper. It has the makings of a great fight.
2. Rashad Evans: "Sugar" held Forrest Griffin in check the first few rounds, not suffering much damage and then used his explosivness to get Griffin down and work some great ground and pound, while also avoiding the submissions Griffin threw at him. Rashad improves to 18-0-1 and now the UFC can market him as their undefeated champion. Great match ups are on their way in the UFC light heavyweight division as Evans could meet up with Rampage Jackson, Shogun Rua (depending how he looks in his next couple of fights), Loyota Machida, and maybe even Anderson Silva. And hey, what if after Affliction goes out of business and if Evans is still champion (a big if in this stacked division), Tito Ortiz comes back, wins a few, and then Evans can maybe revenge his draw. Just throwing some interesting scenerios out there should Evans stay champion for a while.
3. And speaking of light heavyweight contenders, Quinton Jackson looked excellent in his fight with Wanderlei Silva. Jackson came out, did not do any wolfman imitations, and took this fight more seriously than he probably has taken any fight in his career. Many had questioned where Jackson was mentally after his troubles with the law over the summer and the recent break with his longtime trainer Juanito Ibarra, but he looked good in this fight with a dominating KO over Silva and may have a date with the champ, Rashad Evans.
4. The UFC: The UFC come out winners tonight in that they have a marketable heavyweight title unification bout between Mir-Lesnar on the horizon, a great matchup for the light heavyweight title in Jackson-Evans, a possible legends matchup between Nogueira and Randy Couture (with the winner getting a possible shot at the unfication bout winner) in a legends matchup, and also maybe being able to have Silva face Griffin in a bout to get one of them back in the title hunt. Lots of big money making matches on the way for Dana and company to promote.
And now to the losers:
1. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira: It was hard for me, a huge Nogueira fan, to watch this fight. Nogueira didn't mount much offense against Mir in this short match. Some may say the toll of all those brutal battles in Pride have finally caught up with him or that he maybe looked a little out of shape. He was supposed to have a huge advatage in the striking game, but landed little more than a couple jabs and leg kicks. He was knocked down hard three times and had he not been saved by the bell this could have ended in the first round. I hope for the best for the man we call "Big Nog." As mentioned earlier, a possible match up with Randy Couture in a battle of heavyweight legends may give Nogueira a chance to jump back into title contention.
2. Wanderlei Silva: Silva's wild punching style might have caught up with him in his bout with Quinton Jackson. He swung wildly and Jackson used a powerful left hook to knock Silva out before he even hit the ground. Jackson came into this match with much improved striking and was very good at avoiding the Muay Thai clinch that Silva had used on him in their previous two matchups. In his last eight fights Silva is 3-5, although he has faced good competition in those eight matches, Silva is facing a critical point in his career. He needs a good win over a top fighter to stay viable and get back into the title hunt. As I suggested earlier maybe a match up with Griffin could get him back on track. Or even a re-match with another star in the same situation, Chuck Liddell. Perhaps avenging that loss will give Silva (2-3 in the Octagon) the confidence he may have lost coming over from Pride to the UFC.
3. Forrest Griffin: You can't really call Griffin a loser tonight. He controlled the first two rounds before Evans exploded on him in the third. Griffin has a long and bright future ahead of him and will easily be back in contention with a win over another contender like Silva, Machida, Liddell, or Jackson. The scary thing is that after Griffin suffers a loss he seems to come back better. He is truly a fighter that learns from his losses, which is a valuable trait.
4. Yushin Okami and Dean Lister: Easily the boringest fight of the night. Both these guys lived up to their reputation as "dull" fighters. Okami got another decision win and improved to 7-1 in the UFC. Dean Lister is involved in another decision (4 out of his 6 UFC fights have gone all three rounds) and drops to 4-2 in the UFC. Some people complained about this being a dark match, but I can see why this match was not shown live. Okami is supposedly the top contender to Anderson Silva's title in the middleweight division. But does anyone think Okami is going to be able to survive five rounds with Silva and get a decision win? I don't. But he is 7-1 and I think Dana will have to give him a title shot due to that record and it could possibly lead to another low buyrate for a Silva headlined pay per view.
Thanks for reading guys and I apprecite all your comments, opinions, and suggestion.
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I have high hopes for Okami, but he needs to finish fights if he wants to step up to Anderson – I think the UFC should have shown the Okami fight if they plan on having Okami fight Silva next.
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I agree, they probably should have shown the fight if they are setting up a Silva-Okami title fight. However, I did read that Silva is fighting Thales Leites in April in Montreal. This could mean that they may make Okami go through one more opponent to get a title shot. Maybe he will fight Marquardt to get the title shot?
by Jerret Anderson on Dec 28, 2008 2:52 AM EST up reply actions
Brock Lesnar for the win
And NEWwwwww undisputed UFC Heavyweight Champion of the world…
by Derek Suboticki on Dec 28, 2008 2:56 AM EST reply actions
Winner-Frank Mir, he did the unthinkable he not only beat Nog but he was the first man to ever stop him in a fight. He regained the UFC title which he never lost in the first place and has silenced all of his critics so now when ever people as what Mir has done in MMA. The answer is beaten 3 world champions (Sylvia, Lesner, Nog) and is on his way to being the undisputed UFC HW champion of the world.
Loser-Frank Mir haters, alot of them on Bloody Elbow who did nothing but run their mouths and disrespect Mir and all of his accomplishments. I really hope you like the taste of crow because from now everyone one of you can shut your mouth about Frank Mir and give the man his props.
Please no one will “eat any crow” they will just blame the whole thing on Big Nog not fighting up to expectations or that his past battles have ruined his body or any of the other prebuilt in excuses people will come up with. For some reason there are people who think that it makes it better to blame off a loss on excuses than to give the winner the respect they deserve as a fighter. That’s just how these things work.
Good article.
I wonder if they’ll give him a quick rematch with Lesnar should he lose what with holding a victory over him and all.
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by Richard Wade on Dec 28, 2008 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Not if Kongo has anything to say about it. That is a scary dude. I don’t think he is well rounded enough, but he certainly will get a shot at some point.
Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.
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Lets not forget Gonaga either.
I like the winner of Gonzaga/Carwin going up against Kongo/Couture for the right to fight for the belt..
absolutely! nice catch.
Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.
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Kongo looked impressive against Mustapha,
and I’d absolutely go along with ibk’s idea.
I do like the idea of a Couture vs. Nog fight, though. It just seems…right. Like it should happen while it still can.
Anyone else bothered a little bit by Kongo’s lack of head movement? The guy stalks in all of his fights, I know, but he might be in trouble against someone with a similar reach (like Lesnar and…umm, that’s about it.).
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Mir came out looking better
than anyone could have expected, and Nog came out looking worse than anyone could have expected. Lined up pretty well for an exciting, dominant performance by Frank.
Brock is still going to pulverize him. I just don’t see Mir’s striking as capable of keeping Brock on his heels, and Brock’s got that insane reach/power combination that’s knocked every one of his UFC opponents on their asses, including Mir (and this is when Brock’s striking was considerably less refined than it was in the Couture fight).
Bottom line: Mir fought a tremendous fight, and just accomplished a feat no other fighter in the world can lay claim to by stopping Nogueira. Just make sure you take into account that Nog was certainly nowhere near his best form. Nowhere near. That said, Mir figured out a huge hole in Nog’s striking defense and exploited it to perfection. Maybe he’ll see something similar in Brock’s standup?
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Do we know that Nog was nowhere near his best form? Yea he didn’t look good but honestly when does he ever look good to start a fight? We are talking about a guy who is famous for getting beat up and then pulling off a exciting win in the end not a guy who normally dominates fights, stop making excuses for him.
You misrepresent my position.
I’m not apologizing for anyone. If you’ve watched a half dozen of Nog’s most recent fights, you’d know with absolute certainty that Nog was not at his best against Mir. If you need statistical evidence to support it, that’s your problem. Use your eyes. His striking stayed in the locker room, and his chin was in the hot tub back at the house.
Is Nog famous for getting beat up? Hell yes he is, which is precisely why it’s borderline ludricrous for Frank Mir to drop him on his ass with love pats three times in the space of five minutes. Nog always survives into the later rounds, and Mir is not an accomplished striker.
I’m not a Nogueira fan, really. I’ve always admired his ability to hang in there with the best in the world, and he’s proven that he belongs in the conversation for best HW ever (as long as we’re discussing worthy entries, anyways..nobody beats Fedor at this point in time). There’s nothing wrong with saying that Mir came loaded for bear, and Nog left his claws at the front porch. It’s pretty much exactly what happened.
Stop shouting down well-reasoned opinions just because they differ from your own. I’m happy for Mir, and I’m thrilled for Brock. He gets a chance to avenge his first loss, whilst unifying the HW championship title, and I don’t see a path to victory for Mir at this point. But Frank is in line for the best payday of his career, and the publicity he’ll be able to capitalize on leading up to the fight with Brock is going to be close to enough to retire the guy. I’m happy about this. But Frank Mir of Dec. 2008 does not beat the Nogueira of 2004. Sorry.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
I’m not shouting down anyone’s else’s opinions I am pointing out that it is pure personal opinion. Every time that someone doesn’t fight as expected it’s got to be because they weren’t prepared or they didn’t bring their best game to the fight, but honestly if your are gameplanning a fight then one of the things you want to accomplish is throwing the other guy off their game and making them fight your fight. Just because the guy had never been knocked out in a fight before doesn’t mean that he was superhuman or incapable of being caught and getting beat early is extremely common in his fights. Unless you have been punched in the face by Mir you don’t have a clue about how hard he punches or if those really were “love pat” punches.
Lets face it any guy can beat any other guy on any given night, that is why they actually go out there and have the fights. The whole Mir on his best day beat Nog on his worst otherwise it wouldn’t of happened excuse is getting old already.
The sad thing for Wandy and Nog is this: Where do you go now after last night? It’s not that they lost, it’s the way they lost and the way they looked when they lost.
As a fan of Wandy, i have to admit..last night he looked like a fighter that didn’t have it anymore. Same with Nog.
When do you hang it up as a fighter? I guarantee they are both at least entertaining the thought this morning.
I also thought Silva looked like someone who has lost it. I was not impressed in his performance with Liddell and I didn’t think his win over Jardine was that big of a deal. Him and Nog both looked old and maybe all those years in Pride fighting two times a night, 4+ times a year, and such have taken a toll on the both of them.
by Jerret Anderson on Dec 28, 2008 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
You make good points. I will also add that Wanderlei was in a lot of bare knuckle vale tudo fights that aren’t part of his record. The wear and tear on his body is evident. I don’t think he has been the same since he was decimated by CroCop at the Pride Final Conflict Absolute show and he’ll never be the same again. As for Nog he looked absolutely terrible overweight and slow. For a guy known for a solid chin he was knocked down repeatedly by Mir who’s striking was much improved, but Nog is incredibly worn out. I for one don’t want to see Randy fight Nogueira. If Randy only has a couple fights left I’d like to see different match ups.
by tylerdurden1 on Dec 28, 2008 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
CB Dollaway
Big ups to Dollaway for escaping that guillotine choke and then taking Massenzio’s back en route to another victory, i would freakin love to see a rematch with CB and Amir Sadollah. On another note, Rashad Evans can go choke on a piece of cock and die, that classless douche bag. For all you junkies, tune in to Big O and Dukes program on WJFK.
Loser
Al-Turk’s balls and face

Heard on MMAradio Al-Turk suffered 2 broken cheek bones, a broken orbital bone and a broken jaw.
I still think Kongo should be fined for intentionally kneeing Al-Turk in the balls. That shit was so blatant it’s not even funny. Would Kongo have won without it? Yes. Was going tit for tat unnecessary, unsportsmanlike and deserving of a fine. Definitely.



















