Counter Punch: Immediate UFC 92 Thoughts

-First off, awesome night of fights. All three main events delivered in their own dramatic ways. Hats off to the UFC for delivering at the end of the year.
-I'm not sure where to start, but let's go from the top. We have a new Light Heavyweight Champ by the name of Rashad Evans. I had no clue how to score round 1 (probably 10-10) and I gave Forrest round 2. But Rashad came out and delivered in the third stanza. This kid has looked better and better each time out. I think a run-in with Quinton Jackson is next in line.
-Frank Mir caught everyone with their pants down. Mir looked absolutely fantastic in this fight. You could say that Nogueira looked out-of-shape (and coming into the fight at 246 would confirm that), but Frank absolutely dominated this fight bell-to-bell. Brock Lesnar looked absolutely estatic at the finish.
-With that said...Nogueira/Couture, please. It makes sense. Deliver, Dana, deliver.
-I hope Quinton Jackson helps soften how people look at the intangibles in fight sport (or any sport for that matter). Is Quinton totally together mentally? Who knows. But it didn't matter at all tonight. Reminiscint of his second fight with Chuck Liddell, Jackson used a perfectly placed hook to down an opponent throwing a wild strike. Jackson's put down two of the game's legends with each of his hands.
-Big ups on the new UFC ring girl Logan Stanton (I believe I got the name right). I'm not a fan of the plastic look of Edith, and Logan's more natural look is a pleasant change.
-Judging by the Sherdog play-by-play, it's understandable, but I'm still a sad puppy that I didn't get to see Yushin Okami tonight.
-Bloodbath in the gambling world. Sorry guys.
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I watched the Nog/Big Tim fight earlier today and you could see from that he was simply slowing down but I figured that still would be enough to put away Mir. I’ve never expected Mir to come out the way he did.
by Tonley on Dec 28, 2008 12:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mir said...
that he had no chance against Nog on the ground, and would instead rely on striking. He did what he said, and it worked.
And I agree. People built Nog up, but there’s only so much the body can take and asyou said, in the Sylvia fight he (Nog) really showed how late in the game it was for him. Sadly, for such a nice guy, his fighting days are probably numbered.
by mythbuster on Dec 28, 2008 12:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree.
Sylvia tagged him with every jab. Herring hit him a lot. Mir hit him too, which we knew he would… But he struck a lot more and harder than expected.
THere`s an elephant in the room… Minotaoro is slooooow. I don`t even think you can call it “gettin glassy” since he must have been hit at leat 20 times HARD in the head by Mir. He dosesn`t duck, he doesn`t block, he doesn`t jab, he doesn`t move.
"They called him the axe-murderer because he was murdering chumps. They should have been calling him the chump-murderer..." Rampage Jackson (commentating on the fighting abilities of Wanderlei "F#ck Chuck" Silva.)
by BlueberryMuffin on Dec 28, 2008 12:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember seeing a MMA rumor a year ago or so that said Nog had lost partial sight in his left eye, I wonder if that is more true than people thought.
by DirtyML on Dec 28, 2008 12:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My writeups having just turned it off:
What a great night. Frank Mir connected with that left jab uppercut lead combo every time he threw it and then switched it up near the end i believe for a left jab right hook that initially put Nog down, what a great performance and one that will certainly make people re-evaluate Mir and sadly Nogueira.
Rampages boxing talents have definitely improved, his philly shell defence he displayed against Wanderlei in the final stanza that he managed to go from a defensive block on the left, block on the right, into a powerful left, goes to show he is one of the best boxers in MMA today. That kind of boxing was a perfect strategy for Wanderlei and his tendency for the wild hooks.
Rashad vs Rampage is going to be a great fight, that will test both of their wills, it will be hard to see how either one has a real advantage. I give Rashad a slight mobility advantage and Rampage a slight strength advantage, but that is going to be one hell of a card.
by DirtyML on Dec 28, 2008 12:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Damn where did this Logan chick come from?!?
AWESOME night of fights. Rampage’s KO power is sick.
by I Can't Feel My Face on Dec 28, 2008 12:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good question
as of right now (1:00 am after the PPV) she isn’t even listed on the UFC website, and Edith is still there. Must have been a VERY last minute replacement.
by mythbuster on Dec 28, 2008 1:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Logan and her natural beautiness
FTW!!
im not impressed with your performance
by troy145 on Dec 28, 2008 3:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nog is slowing down big time. It showed in the Sylvia fight and it showed even more in this fight. Nog looked slow as hell and nothing like the fighter he used to be.I don’t want to write him off for good but this was just a terrible showing for Nog.
by Discman2 on Dec 28, 2008 12:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Rampage is probably set to fight Evans
And I’ll give the edge to Rampage – if Forrest had some more power, things might’ve been different.
That being said, I got waxed on the betting game – but I called the main event, winner, method and time to within 16 seconds.
by subo on Dec 28, 2008 12:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think Rampage has a better chin than Forrest and he has more than Evans. Not only that but his boxing is getting better and better. If they fight I would expect Evans to try and take it to the ground.
by Discman2 on Dec 28, 2008 1:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The question is..
Can Evans keep Rampage on his back?? To me that is where Rampage is the most vulnerable. For some reason if they fight, I just see them trying to show who has the better boxing.
by I Can't Feel My Face on Dec 28, 2008 1:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rampage vs. Evans
I find this fight to be very interesting. They are basically mirrored fighters. And NO I am not saying that because theyre both black. They are both 2 very strong wrestlers who LOVE to box. Both have dynamite in their hands, and both have proven to have great GnP. MAKE THIS FIGHT HAPPEN!!!
by I Can't Feel My Face on Dec 28, 2008 1:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Rampage aint fighting for the title until his legal situation is settled.
Nog vs Couture is prophetic…
by mmalogic on Dec 28, 2008 1:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good call...
on Rampage getting a title shot at least… if Machida wins against Thiago Silva, he’ll get the shot. No way Dana gives Rampage the shot until he knows if Rampage is gonna have to serve time for his lil day of fun.
Nog vs Couture, I don’t see it…. at least not yet. It would be a great fight, but I don’t know if Randy would agree to it. He’d probably want to get a win under his belt before taking on Nog.
by Gunslinger20 on Dec 28, 2008 1:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Naw, Randy’s not worried about a “run” at this point; just superfights for big money. He knows he only has 3-4 fights left.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
by AJB on Dec 28, 2008 1:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea Randy’s legacy is already set, if the money is right then I’m sure he will fight. Of course wasn’t there news a week or so ago about Randy taking a movie role? That could throw a wrench into any plans for a fight in the near future.
by who me on Dec 28, 2008 4:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don`t think Machida we`ll get the shot. Someone here on BE (don`t remember who), stated something in the line of “White probalbly has nightmares about a Machida-Evans fight. No way in hell that fight will ever happen. If Evans wins, the winner of Silva-Rampage is next..”
I can do nothing but wholeheratedly agree. Even though I love Machida, I`m not to enthused about a feint-fest between Machida and Sugah.
"They called him the axe-murderer because he was murdering chumps. They should have been calling him the chump-murderer..." Rampage Jackson (commentating on the fighting abilities of Wanderlei "F#ck Chuck" Silva.)
by BlueberryMuffin on Dec 28, 2008 7:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There is an issue
Rampage can’t fight and defend a title from prison. He won’t get a shot until his fate is decided.
by Gunslinger20 on Dec 28, 2008 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
IMHO, UFC 92 is the best event I have ever seen.
so many moments of anxious excitement leading too quick and skillful climaxes. it was trully awesome.
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
by Warhand on Dec 28, 2008 1:11 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
My god talk about being a prisoner of the moment.
by tylerdurden1 on Dec 28, 2008 1:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
how many events have you seen?
best card of the year probably, but ever?
ufn 13 was my other favorite card of the year, i think a lot of people forget about it.
im not impressed with your performance
by troy145 on Dec 28, 2008 3:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We won't see another night like 92 for a long time.
I have seen tons of these fights on tv and a few live. I have seen Cage Rage fights I have seen Pride Fights, Dream, I have seen fights in leagues I can’t remember the names of. UFC 92 had everything I love. Good build up to the fight, Big names, No decisions, 1st round KOs, A total complete stand up domination, and a tap out from leg kicks (what?). Its just my opinion but show me another event with the action and excitement of this one. I was never bored.
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
by Warhand on Dec 28, 2008 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
UFC 91 was like that. But sine your avatar is Rashad, I’m guessing thats why you think it was the best. ;)
by mythbuster on Dec 28, 2008 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol…I am happy for him cause he’s my boy but his win alone would not have made this event as great as it was.
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
by Warhand on Dec 28, 2008 11:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad you're happy...
but I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t even put this show in my top 10 events of all time.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 28, 2008 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am speechless. To each their own I suppose.
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
by Warhand on Dec 28, 2008 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was very exciting...
and a good show. Don’t get me wrong. I’ve just seen quite a few shows that were better top to bottom (from a quality of fights standpoint)
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 28, 2008 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Please, let me know what shows you are speaking of and where I can find them because I would love to see them. If you can find 10 mma events that are better than 92 I will be very happy.
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
by Warhand on Dec 28, 2008 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would agree – the event delivered on a dramatic perspective, as each fight was gratifying and exciting. Yet if we’re talking from a purely athletic perspective, there weren’t any wars on the card – there wasn’t anything on here that challenges for fight of the year. But, taken as a whole, it was easily one of the best events of the year.
by tomh on Dec 28, 2008 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
Two titles changed hands. Main event underdogs won. Mir was not only a huge underdog who nobody gave a chance, he went so far as TKO’ed a guy that could not be TKO’ed. There were plenty of storylines running here that will make this UFC memorable years from now. A card consists of many elements that combine to make it great and 3 or 5 round wars are not the only thing that define a great card. UFC 92 was terrific.
by cyph on Dec 28, 2008 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lidell now has 2 options…
Quinton and Jardine.
Wand will not be fighting for a long while and when he returns he will probably be at 185.
by mmalogic on Dec 28, 2008 1:11 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wanderlei at 185?
Uhhhh…. wow… I’m speechless about that one. I don’t know if that would ever happen.
by Gunslinger20 on Dec 28, 2008 1:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As much as I hate "he should go down a weight class...."
Wanderlei has gone on record as saying he wouldn’t mind fighting at 185.
by I Can't Feel My Face on Dec 28, 2008 1:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If he could get to 185 in a healthy way...
where he doesn’t lose anything in his game… that would be awesome.
by Gunslinger20 on Dec 28, 2008 1:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He shouldnt be even fighting at 205…
Even Rashad could fight at 185 regarding frames and I bet unless he has a long run at 205 he will end up in 185 as well.
Wand has always been a 185lb fighter fighting at 205.
by mmalogic on Dec 28, 2008 1:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If he wants to stay in the UFC it will.
by mmalogic on Dec 28, 2008 1:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Wanderlei has to worry about his job...
he’s lost to Chuck Liddell and Rampage in the UFC…. I don’t think he has to worry just yet.
by Gunslinger20 on Dec 28, 2008 1:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Your right but there’s no fight for him at 205…
If he wasnt knocked out so bad or won he was going to rematch Lidell.
by mmalogic on Dec 28, 2008 1:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nogueira didn’t look out of shape, he looked like he is done entirely. No footwork, couldn’t pull the trigger… if the Randy fight can’t happen in the next year he should retire.
by smoogy on Dec 28, 2008 1:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Boxing 101
Mir obviously studied loads of Nog’s fights, and tried to find holes in his boxing. And evidently, he did. Big time.
by I Can't Feel My Face on Dec 28, 2008 1:20 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well...
the thing about Nog’s boxing is (and always has been) that it is good based more on people saying it is than him ever executing much by way of boxing.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 28, 2008 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What I wanna know is where is the Nogueira I saw spar against Anderson Silva? His boxing was great there and he was actually pulling the trigger…
by Discman2 on Dec 28, 2008 1:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mir vs Lesnar will be good for business.
And even if Mir wins he is very marketable… assuming he remains dominant.
by mmalogic on Dec 28, 2008 1:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
How can someone call for Nog to retire???!?!?!!
His fifth loss in 40 fights. 4 of the 5 to Fedor, Josh Barnett (avenged) and now a former HW champ that y’all just happened to sleep on. It’s just unreal to me that loss in a title fight or #1 contender’s match = instaretirement. Unfuckingbelieveable.
Matt Hughes, Nog, whoever else isn’t 100% of what they used to be but are still solid top-rank guys in their division: please don’t listen to the haters. Keep contributing to the sport for as long as you’re competitive.
by subo on Dec 28, 2008 1:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Its not so much that he lost, but the way he lost and the way he looked.
by Discman2 on Dec 28, 2008 1:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How should they contribute? By having the shit beaten out of them by younger and hungrier new comers? Nog has probably been fighting for ten years or so professionally. The same with the other guys you named.
What is the point of having guys who are on their way up beat the living shit out of the legends who are on the way down?
If they are financially secure then they absolutely should retire. Hughes, Nog, Silva, Coleman, Couture… I don’t know who else, but all five of them will never be contenders again, and if they are financially secure should move on with their lives and accept the fact that they will never contend for a title in the UFC again…. by retiring.
by PORkSOdA on Dec 28, 2008 1:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
By putting on entertaining fights
Settling debates, selling PPV’s and, yes, providing a test to those who would take their place.
by subo on Dec 28, 2008 2:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, being able to tie your own shoes later in life is overrated anyway
by smoogy on Dec 28, 2008 2:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But the freedom to tell other people you don’t know how and when to end their careers? Priceless.
by subo on Dec 28, 2008 2:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They sure as hell shouldn’t be doing any of that if they have the money do retire on.
by PORkSOdA on Dec 28, 2008 2:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot that ‘they’ told you that. My bad.
by subo on Dec 28, 2008 2:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn’t make any sense.
What are you saying?
by PORkSOdA on Dec 28, 2008 3:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re claiming to know why they’re still fighting. And that it’s money, not out of love of the sport or anything like that. I think it’s presumptuous to say you know what they should or ’shouldn’t’ do.
by subo on Dec 28, 2008 3:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When Nogueira wants to retire then he will retire, our opinions on that are 100% irrelevant. It’s also a bit on the insulting side to think that random people posting on a blog think they are somehow experts on when anyone should decide to retire, it’s his life and his choice not ours. Hell Nogueira is only 32 years old.
by who me on Dec 28, 2008 4:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nogueira is 32 years old, but seems sluggish. And it`s not just his fighting, he seems a bit on the “slow” side mentally. Now, for some reason, a statement like that will make some come screaming about what a nice dude Nogueira is and what and ass Mir (and I?) is, but look_at_how_he_acts_and_how_he_talks. He`s like a child.
Another example of an “Iron chin”, Cris “the Crippler” Leben, has anyone watch how he moved and especially how he talked during the rpe-fight interviews. he seemed slow and was having clear problems articulating words (dysartri). Compare the way Leben talks now and how he talked during TUF or even to the way his brother spoke on the Countdown.
"They called him the axe-murderer because he was murdering chumps. They should have been calling him the chump-murderer..." Rampage Jackson (commentating on the fighting abilities of Wanderlei "F#ck Chuck" Silva.)
by BlueberryMuffin on Dec 28, 2008 7:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Frontal dementia anyone?
"They called him the axe-murderer because he was murdering chumps. They should have been calling him the chump-murderer..." Rampage Jackson (commentating on the fighting abilities of Wanderlei "F#ck Chuck" Silva.)
by BlueberryMuffin on Dec 28, 2008 7:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody can get hurt in MMA, Blueberry. Dana told me so!
by D.Capitated on Dec 28, 2008 9:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hehe
Thanks for Dana`s soothing words. Now I´ll be able to sleep tonight knowing that it`ll aaaall be ok.
"They called him the axe-murderer because he was murdering chumps. They should have been calling him the chump-murderer..." Rampage Jackson (commentating on the fighting abilities of Wanderlei "F#ck Chuck" Silva.)
by BlueberryMuffin on Dec 28, 2008 9:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
People...
are only saying that he looked bad. Stop with the “oh the horror!” reaction to people suggesting that he looked shot and should consider retirement. It isn’t as dramatic of a “you have no right to tell him what to do” situation as you’re all making it out to be.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 28, 2008 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is his first loss in two years and people are calling for him to retire like he is all washed up, that is just silly. It’s not like he just dropped a fight to Justin McCully he was beat by a former world champion perhaps it is a bit early to be shitting on his future just yet.
by who me on Dec 28, 2008 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s fought three times in 2 years and he took crazy beatings in every single one of those fights. Last night he lost to a guy who wasn’t anywhere near the top 10. How many more beatings should he take before we’re satiated?
by D.Capitated on Dec 28, 2008 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s taken crazy beating in fights for his whole career, heck he looked better in some of his last 4 fights than he did in earlier ones. One of the things that made him such a star to start with is the same think people are all the sudden saying is why he needs to retire?
Of course it doesn’t matter at all when we are “satiated” or not because he will retire when he chooses to retire not when people on a blog tell him to. Heck fans on blogs haven’t been able to get Ken Shamrock to retire and they have been calling for that for years now.
by who me on Dec 28, 2008 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's the thing...
on a blog “telling someone to retire” isn’t actually “telling them to retire.” Making the comment that someone should retire is a personal opinion…you’re acting like somehow this is a direct conversation with the guy where we’re begging him to retire. I personally think that he should fight at least once more to see where he’s at before deciding anything.
All I’m saying is stop acting like somehow this discussion in a comment thread is more than just a discussion in a comment thread.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 28, 2008 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If I thought it was more than just a discussion in a comment thread then I wouldn’t be talking here at all. A big part of what I am saying is that people need to lighten the heck up and stop acting like their world’s revolve around the fighters to the point where they have to pile on excuses for their loses. The guy lost one fight it’s not the end of the world and it’s no reason for anyone to turn their back on anyone or to say his career is finished. Hell there is a person diagnosing him with future Parkinson’s disease in the thread but I’m the guy who needs to lighten up?
by who me on Dec 28, 2008 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well..
that is true also. There are two sides to the coin here and you’re very right on that. I guess I’m flashing back to the outcry over the “10 fighters who need to retire” article on Sherdog that everyone shit a brick over.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 28, 2008 6:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oddly enough I actually l enjoyed that article :D
by who me on Dec 28, 2008 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brent...
Well, let me be the first to say that I think this comment shows a marked deterioration in your ability, and further postulate you’re only doing what you’re doing because your boss is a slavedriving pennypincher.
Would you call that presumptuous?
by subo on Dec 28, 2008 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Clever...
Again, I don’t think the guy should retire. He very well may have just had an off night. I’ve said it SEVERAL times on this site that Nogueira is my favorite fighter to watch in all of MMA.
I just get tired of seeing people acting like threads on message boards, comment sections of articles on BE or articles on an MMA website are such a deep and heavy deal to where we have to get defensive of the fighter’s right to choose his own fate. Yes, of course the fighter has the right to choose when he retires…that hardly makes it outside the realm of acceptability for anyone to suggest that they should retire before their legacy or health is seriously impacted.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 28, 2008 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t claim to know anything.
I see these guys who have been fighting for ten years or so professionally, who will probably never be relevant again, and I think that they should retire from professional competition if they have the means to do so.
by PORkSOdA on Dec 28, 2008 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think much of the retirement talk that surrounds guys like Nog, Randy or Chuck, is NOT that we as fans know what is best for them. Just as the they should retire when they are ready talk does not speak for them.
I do believe, that as FANS, we hold some of these guys in very high regard, sometimes to much so. As fans, we don;t want to see these guys relegated to a level lower than what we feel they deserve. In other words, I personally, would prefer to see Nog have a farewell fight, then walk away and coach the next generation. That is just my opinion and nothing more. It isn’t me presuming to think I know what is best for him, just airing my view, that I think he deserves more than to be a “gatekeeper”.
How many times have we seen guys hang on to long?? Sorry, but I much prefer the John Elway type of ending than I do the Jerry Rice ending.
If that pisses off anybody, well, I’m not sorry. I’m not telling anyone what to do or think, just voicing what I would like to see, IF in fact these guys have lost a step or two.
Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.
http://eliotmarshall.com/
by BJJDenver on Dec 28, 2008 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
John Elway was 38 when he retired, there were people saying it was time for him to go before the back to back Super Bowls, good thing he didn’t listen to them.
Going out on top or staying around way too long (Ken Shamrock?) is still a personal choice of the fighter not the fans. In Nog’s case he’s a 32 year old and this was his first loss in the last two years, maybe it’s a bit early to toss his entire career under the bus.
by who me on Dec 28, 2008 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
John Elway also hadn’t shown the same susceptibility to concussions that Steve Young or Troy Aikman (who retired at younger ages) showed, which helped his argument for playing on. Noguiera is getting hurt badly almost every time he fights.
by D.Capitated on Dec 28, 2008 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Troy Aikman was 35 when he was cut by the Coyboys(due to his high price contract, he retired when no one else wanted to pay his asking price), Steve Young was 38 when he retired too, he was the same age as Elway. Heck people have been calling for Brett Farve to call it a career for several years now and he is only 39 years old(not to mention Farve hasn’t missed a game since 1992). Elway was old for a starting QB in the NFL when he retired, going out on top had as much to do with the team around him as anything else, he was close to retirement before the super bowls.
If Nogueira’s doctor tells him he shouldn’t fight anymore then yea it will be time for him to hang it up but there is a big difference between a doctor’s diagnosis and a internet fan’s diagnosis of his physical and mental condition.
by who me on Dec 28, 2008 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Nogueira’s doctor tells him he shouldn’t fight anymore then yea it will be time for him to hang it up but there is a big difference between a doctor’s diagnosis and a internet fan’s diagnosis of his physical and mental condition.
And, lest we forget, his own diagnosis of his physical-mental condition, and his own career aspirations.
by tomh on Dec 28, 2008 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Age has nothing to do with it. Brock and Nog are close to the same age, do they look even remotely like they are in similar physical condition (not genetically, you see my point)? Nog look like he has been through the wars, and he has.
Aikman and Young were not signed because teams thought they had eroded and were risky due to concussions, especially at their asking prices.
Favre should hang it up, I believe even he knows it is that time. 21 tds and 19 ints going into today, he has faded down the stretch.
Elway greatly altered his playing style to fit his diminishing physical traits, much like Randy has.
It isn’t about wins and losses, like I said, sometimes you just wake up and it is over. Shaun Alexander was MVP and setting TD records not to long ago and now nobody wants him and he clearly is a shadow of his former self. So which one would you want to remember? The mvp or the guy that can’t get a job even at minimum pay?
No fan has the ability to force anyone to retire, but we absolutely have the right to want a fighter to hang it up, rather than fight at a lower level or become the butt of jokes like Shamrock.
I would rather see Nog go out near the top than see him get beat up by guys looking to make a name for themselves, simple as that.
the problem is, people don’t realize how rare situations like Elway or Randy are.
Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.
http://eliotmarshall.com/
by BJJDenver on Dec 28, 2008 5:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and
I’m not saying Nog has nothing left. I have no doubt he can still pull fights out, even against top guys, but I do believe his days dominating the field are over.
Much like Favre can come out and throw an assload of TDs in one game, in the big picture he is average at this point.
Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.
http://eliotmarshall.com/
by BJJDenver on Dec 28, 2008 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Young was forced out by his injuries, Aikman was forced out by his payscale being too high for his age/injuries not because he couldn’t contribute anymore. Of course both guys were closing in on retirement anyway, a 15 year career in the NFL at any position is significant. Three weeks ago Farve was reborn leading the Jets to the playoffs, after the team lost two big games people are calling for him to retire yet again. I guess the big point here is that Football being a team sport has a lot of influence on individuals careers and doesn’t really compare well to individual sports. If the Bronco’s had sucked as a team then Elway would of never had the opportunity to go out on top regardless of how well he was still playing, it was a team effort that kept him from ending like Dan Marino.
by who me on Dec 28, 2008 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Young was close to being brought into teh Broncos, but they went for Plummer instead, could you imagine that??
Absolutely the team has a lot to do with it. I compare it to a fighter being in contention.
Favre-As we see, the Jets are an average team with Favre. I would just have preferred he stay with the Pack or hang it up, because that is how I want to remember him.
Elway-After years of carrying the Broncos on his physical skills (Cutler anyone??), the Broncos assembled a team that I would put against any in history. He came back because he knew it was a special situation. No doubt he would have played the next year if his body had allowed it.
So, I guess it is how you picture Nog and his future. Is he a star who is going to go out without another title shot (Favre), maybe even being good, but no longer great? Which most of my response is about. People calling for him to stick around for younger fighters to beat on their way up or being a gatekeeper.
or…
Will he be in a great situation, where if he wins again, maybe he gets another shot at the title (Elway)?
I don’t claim to know which situation he is in, but I do know that I prefer not to see him in the Favre scenario.
Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.
http://eliotmarshall.com/
by BJJDenver on Dec 28, 2008 6:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I want the guy to be able to live with himself after he retires. He can be a Farve or a Elway as long as he doesn’t end up second guessing his decision. Lets face it fans are fickle with very short memory spans, win, lose or resting on his legacy will end up with fans moving on to the next shiny thing that grabs their attention but he has to live with himself for the rest of his life.
by who me on Dec 28, 2008 7:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rec’d for acknowledging the dominance of the 97-98 Denver Broncos.
by subo on Dec 28, 2008 10:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Aikman’s asking price was considered too high because he repeatedly getting sidelined with concussions, otherwise someone else in the NFL would have pulled him from free agency. Young was in a similar situation, and Farve has been asked to stop playing over and over because he often, such as this year, begins to tail off late in the season.
The biggest difference is that those people play football, and Noguiera is a professional fighter. By virtue of that, he is subject to far taking far more blows to the head both while wearing headgear in training and in the ring than any quarterback will. I also would find it excessively unlikely that most doctors would encourage anyone in Noguiera’s position to fight ever, much less at this stage. I can’t think of a single physician group that endorses unarmed combat in the vein of either MMA or boxing, and every neurologist I’ve worked with inserts in their reports that the individual involved with the sports should reconsider participation.
by D.Capitated on Dec 28, 2008 7:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What fan is forcing any of these guys out? It is simply an airing of one’s personal opinion, which we are all entitled to.
lol, why would me not wanting him to stick around at a level below his previous performances, be tossing his entire career under the bus?
If anything, it is me RESPECTING what he has accomplished and not wanting that to be overlooked, much as Shamrock’s has.
Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.
http://eliotmarshall.com/
by BJJDenver on Dec 28, 2008 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It is all personal opinion here, still this happens after almost every big fan upset.
The guy lost one fight and that was against a former world champion. If Arlovski beats Fedor should people be calling for Fedor to retire or blame the loss on diminished skills? It’s not like Frank Mir is Scott Junk or Jimmy Ambriz here this loss isn’t the end of the world.
by who me on Dec 28, 2008 5:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, and I completely agree with you here.
The problem is, some people (not you) go completely crazy when a fan calls for a fighter/player retirement. Some just don’t want to see someone they are fanatical about have their career tarnished or anything.
I’m not calling for Nog to hang it up this afternoon, lol, but I do think that he needs to take a step back and see if he still has the skill level to continue for much longer. I have called for a Nog/Randy fight to happen soon and I think he still has a place in the sport. My thing is, if a legend like Nog is reduced to being a gatekeeper or non-factor, I would rather see him hang them up.
For example, Wandy hasn’t looked good, but when i watch him fight, i don’t see the glaring difference that I do with Nog, thus the lack of talk about him.
I think this is getting a little blown out of proportion, and I appreciate you discussing rationally.
Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.
http://eliotmarshall.com/
by BJJDenver on Dec 28, 2008 6:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why should Nog retire? Why can’t we give credit to Mir for being a much improved heavyweight. Is it so far fetched to believe that Mir is that good?
by cyph on Dec 28, 2008 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly for some of people I think that is the issue, they have to have some kind of excuse for this that doesn’t involve admitting that Frank Mir is a elite level fighter. Still I don’t think that is what is being thought here.
by who me on Dec 28, 2008 7:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not taking anything at all away from Mir. I like Mir and was having a hard time deciding who to pull for. I picked Mor to win the fight.
Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.
http://eliotmarshall.com/
by BJJDenver on Dec 28, 2008 8:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Nog even fell off like say Cro Cop did then I would agree with you (and he might be headed in that direction) but it is just too soon to say that. Heck it’s really too soon to say that about Cro Cop too. I can understand why a fan wouldn’t want a fighter to tarnish his reputation with poor performances later in their careers but these fighters have to live the rest of their lives with the decision too. There is a lot of life left at 32 years old and as long as he feels he is still getting something out of the sport then that’s more important than his legacy with fans. Maybe it’s just that I am a old guy myself but I would just hate for Nog to quit before he was ready to give it up and have that missing from his life, even if was just Ken Shamrocking it.
One good thing about the state athletic commissions is that there are doctors checking on these guys to make sure they don’t fight past the point where it is safe. If there was a real health issue here then yea he needs to get out now. The guy does need to be checked out often because of his past fights and if there is a real issue(as opposed to a fan diagnosed one) he needs to walk away.
It really got to me being told I was taking this too seriously when I was commenting on others taking this one loss as a career ender. Heck if this was a Ken Shamrock thread I’d probably calling for him to end it too but Nog didn’t just lose to Buzz Berry he lost to a former world champion who had a hell of a lot to prove.
I agree completly on the Nog/Randy fight but then I wanted to see that one more than Randy/Fedor from the start. I’d also like to see Nog try out one of the young guns in the division too.
by who me on Dec 28, 2008 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are realistic about the situation and we probably differ less on this topic than it appears.
like I said above, I don’t want him to announce his retirement today, just something we need to realize may not be far off for him.
My argument is more that we have every right to come on here and say what our thoughts are on the topic as anybody else does, no matter where you are on the topic.
Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.
http://eliotmarshall.com/
by BJJDenver on Dec 28, 2008 8:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
btw
just for clarity, I would absolutely love for Nog to come out next fight and look great and continue to fight for as long as he wants.
Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.
http://eliotmarshall.com/
by BJJDenver on Dec 28, 2008 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly think that it is just too soon to tell with Nog. It would be one thing if this became a pattern but honestly it’s just too soon to say the number 2 heavyweight in the world’s career is over because of one fight.
I also think that I may of got a bit defensive in some post due to some of the backhanded insults and heavy downplaying of Mir from other people but that had nothing to do with anything you were saying. I just think it is very disrespectful to both guys to act like this was some kind of fluke or that Mir only won because Nog is washed up. As a fan of both fighters and the sport in general the excuses after every upset sometimes get the best of me.
by who me on Dec 28, 2008 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I agree. I am basing the retirement thoughts just on how he has looked in the UFC and certainly am not expecting him to hang em up without a lot of consideration and at least a couple more fights. i agree that anyone who is the thought he looked bad last night so he should immediately retire, is making a big assumption. I think it was part Nog and part that Mir made him look that much worse. As much as I like Mir, it was painful watching Nog go down like that last night.
And you as well as subo are correct in the fact that it is up to Nog on how he wants to go out, I just want the best for him and for him to go out as high as possible and in the best of health, as i would for any fighter.
Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.
http://eliotmarshall.com/
by BJJDenver on Dec 28, 2008 11:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Arlovski is almost universally considered a top 5 heavyweight. He beating Fedor would not shock anyone nearly to the level of Mir (in light of his recent performances) beating any top 5 heavyweight.
by D.Capitated on Dec 28, 2008 7:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes but just because MIr had struggled since the accident doesn’t mean that it should be forgotten the level of fighter he was before that or his known potential as a fighter. The last composite ranking on this site had Mir ranked at 10, we are talking about a world class fighter and a former world champion here.
by who me on Dec 28, 2008 9:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i like compound words to….googilygoo
by georgehouse on Dec 28, 2008 1:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
And they said Mir would lose to Nog
“Mir is a huge underdog in this fight, and I don’t believe it will even be competitive”
Just goes to show you that anyone can run an MMA blog…i find it hilarious that everyone was counting out Mir vs a washed-up Nog…Thank you Frank for proving everyone wrong…THANK YOU!!!!
A few weeks ago the bandwagon fans and ALL OF THE CONTRIBUTORS of this site were already calling for a Nog/Lesnar titlefight…BEFORE MIR EVEN HAD HIS OPPORTUNITY!!!
Mir dominated the big man from start-to-finish and sent the old guy out to pasture…
by Logs2981 on Dec 28, 2008 1:40 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I will admit that I was wrong...
I’ll be the first to admit that I counted Mir out and I didn’t think he would win.
I’ll also be the first to admit that I love it when people call people out w/ the “I told you so’s” and be a complete dick in the process. Its just awesome.
by Gunslinger20 on Dec 28, 2008 1:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You know what I think is awesome?
I love it when people who were writing off Mir and witnessed tonight that they counted their chickens before they hatched and now have to admit that they were wrong and be a complete dick in the process…now that is awesome.
by Logs2981 on Dec 28, 2008 3:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you go 10-0 on your picks tonight? If not, I think you have some apologizing to do.
by Mike Fagan on Dec 28, 2008 3:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah you picked Mir
Congrats, you weren’t the only guy in the world to do so.
Also saying “Hey look I was right! TOLD YOU SO!” and being a dick in the process is no better than what you described
by Discman2 on Dec 28, 2008 3:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, it’s much worse considering that simply picking Nogueira isn’t something to feel guilty about.
by Mike Fagan on Dec 28, 2008 3:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You want some brownie points or something?
I’m sure you’d of been more than willing to admit your fault had Nog pounded Mir as well.
Seriously…grow up.
Omar...I'm done with you. Hello Darren Ford! Come to papa.
by PacBellBoozer on Dec 28, 2008 2:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No brownie points - just get on your knees...
Taste that? That’s sour grapes…get over it – Mir won…life goes on.
by Logs2981 on Dec 28, 2008 3:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey buddy...
I believe Shaq said it best when he opined, “Tell me how my ass tastes”
I realize that you might be a little on the desperate side for some nom nom….but dude, I ain’t getting on my knees for anyone.
Omar...I'm done with you. Hello Darren Ford! Come to papa.
by PacBellBoozer on Dec 28, 2008 4:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Get over it?
What is there to get over? No one is having issues accepting this outcome but you… no one is having sour grapes.
Move on man…
by Gunslinger20 on Dec 28, 2008 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I picked Mir.
Bolts from the Blue // "It is what it is." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Dec 28, 2008 3:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course, I had him winning by “fluke” or “decision,” not dominant first round followed by decisive TKO in the second.
Bolts from the Blue // "It is what it is." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Dec 28, 2008 4:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I picked him as well. That makes us very smart! So smart, in fact, that it was the only fight i picked correctly, lol!!!
Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.
http://eliotmarshall.com/
by BJJDenver on Dec 28, 2008 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I don’t claim to be good at picking fights. I had Lister beating Okami.
Bolts from the Blue // "It is what it is." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Dec 28, 2008 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, was directing that more at my self and my outstanding picks.
Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.
http://eliotmarshall.com/
by BJJDenver on Dec 28, 2008 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, in that case, carry on.
Bolts from the Blue // "It is what it is." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Dec 28, 2008 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was completely legitimate for people to have counted Mir out for this fight, considering the evidence on hand. Who knew Mir would come out and box as well as he did? Considering Mir’s previous track record with his poor conditioning, his complaints about having to fight a five round fight, how Nog has never been finished in over 40 fights (specifically by submission which is important, cause all of Mir’s wins are by submission or decision), etc. When predictions are made, you deal with what you know, and all the evidence was weighed against Mir.
Also, people look past fighters all the time. GSP/Penn II hasn’t happened yet, but everyone’s already talking about GSP/Silva. It happens. So what?
by pud333 on Dec 28, 2008 4:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am the last to defend MMA blogs… but nobody thought mir would win – even those in the UFC.
by mmalogic on Dec 28, 2008 10:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mir said he didn’t even think he would win.
by mythbuster on Dec 28, 2008 11:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What the Hell does he know, lol!!
Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.
http://eliotmarshall.com/
by BJJDenver on Dec 28, 2008 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I personally prefer than Machida gets the next shot if he defeats Silva. But obviously the Rampage timing works alot better.
by Pandanus on Dec 28, 2008 1:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
And Rampage/Evans will probably be easier to sell. Rashad just TKOed a fan favorite. Rampage is coming off a devastating KO.
It will be a lot easier to sell than Evans vs the methodical Machida who has been accused of being boring.
by Discman2 on Dec 28, 2008 1:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, the Rampage/Rashad fight just seems 100% obvious. machida deserves a shot, but he still hasn’t faced the level of competition that i would like to see (not that I count for anything, lol). Let him beat Silva and get the next shot after that.
Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.
http://eliotmarshall.com/
by BJJDenver on Dec 28, 2008 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nog was noticeably slower and less sharp. The long layoff probably affected him. He should probably work on more on closing the distance and a clinch-based striking game now that he’s slower. Nog is one of my favorite fighters, it was really sad to see him lose like that.
by skeed on Dec 28, 2008 1:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
No such thing as a 10-10 round
I don’t mean to be a nit-picking asshole, but I’m just getting a little annoyed with references to a “10-10” round from respectable MMA writers. Under the 10 point must scoring system, there cannot be such a thing as a 10-10 round. Only the winner of a round can earn 10 points. If the round is a draw, it is 9-9.
Also: when was the last UFC event that had zero submissions? I can’t remember any in recent times.
by Scott Haber on Dec 28, 2008 1:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
No, you’re wrong on this. Even rounds are scored 10-10 not 9-9.
(b) If the round is even, each unarmed combatant receives 10 points
from NSAC website: http://leg.state.nv.us/NAC/NAC-467.html
by Romdawg88 on Dec 28, 2008 2:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Apologies for being an incorrect nit-picking asshole then. I could have sworn reading some official about “tie” rounds being 9-9 and not 10-10…guess not.
by Scott Haber on Dec 28, 2008 2:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Technically, you were wrong. However, I recall Meltzer taking about how 10-10 rounds are frowned upon and are generally only handed out if the fighters basically don’t fight for five minutes.
by JoshEngleman34 on Dec 28, 2008 2:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t understand why they would be frowned upon.
It’s better to score a really close round 10-10 than 10-9, especially in MMA, where 2 “close” 10-9 rounds that could have conceivably been 10-10 create an insurmountable lead.
by Phildo on Dec 28, 2008 2:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's not true either...
Meltzer isn’t really “smart” when it comes to the rules. He is great at getting stories right but he doesn’t understand a lot of stuff that comes from the boxing side of things.
10-10 rounds are not “frowned upon” but they should be rare. If neither fighter has a legitimate claim to winning the round it can be scored 10-10, that can be in the case of a boring round or exciting one. It is simply saying “neither fighter showed even a slight advantage in this round”
Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 28, 2008 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're quite wrong.
there are 10-10 rounds in the case of a draw. If the round is a draw it can not be 9-9 consider that a 10 point must system means that the winner of a round (with the exception of fouls) must be awarded 10 points. Hence “MUST” system
Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 28, 2008 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good way to end the year
i finnally got the balls to register at bet us.com and i mad a about $200 on rampage and rashad.i don’t see rampage getting a title shot at evans until he takes car his legal troubles.the winner of thiago silva and machida will get that call.but once page takes care of that he is only his on road block in getting that title back. look for mir to sub brock again in their rematch.he won’t be scared of brock this time as he will have the better boxing.any time u get a wrestler on top of a bjj black belt like mir look for a sub victory by the great bjj practicioner.the ufc has no choice but to give us nog and couture now,no excuses.wand has no choice but to drop down to 185.great fighter i pride with that style but the ufc don’t have any small light heavyweights to feed him. rashad is the product of a hard worker,a great camp,and great athletic ability.congrats to him as he will have a great time in defending the belt to a bunch of wolves waiting in the woods. the only guy i see beating him is rampage. greg jackson can figure out a great game plan for machida “the running dragon”and silva(thiago). thanks to bet us.com i will take my girl to a great steak house tuesday night. happy new year every body.thank you for making my saturday night ufc,rampage,and rashad.
by valtheguy on Dec 28, 2008 1:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Frank Mir
A lot of people should apologize to him big time, especially on this blog. I was hoping he’d win just to prove a lot of people wrong, and that’s what he did :) He stopped Nogueira. No wait… he FLOORED Nogueira! Sure, Nog is a little older now, but Mir did what even Fedor couldn’t do and I think the HW belt should be his alone right now. It’s kinda weird that he has to fight another title match to obtain the real HW belt against a guy that he just beat (regardless how) in his previous match.
For the record, I don’t hate Lesnar, I love him, but I just feel bad for Frank Mir now.
by NinjaCodah on Dec 28, 2008 2:10 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
feel bad for brock
mir wil sub lesnar again.
by valtheguy on Dec 28, 2008 2:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why does anyone need to apologize to Mir? We were prognosticating based on the evidence available. It was nothing personal about the guy.
by Mike Fagan on Dec 28, 2008 3:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t say ‘everybody’.
But that post + some of the comments that were made…
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2008/12/26/702170/frank-mir-doesn-t-understa
talk about eating your words back.
by NinjaCodah on Dec 28, 2008 3:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t say you said “everybody” either, so what exactly are you talking about?
As for that article, what does that have to do with Mir winning tonight? Rome was blasting him for complaining about the 5 round nature of the fight, and said nothing of his abilities in the cage.
by Mike Fagan on Dec 28, 2008 3:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
reading comprehension
for the win
I think people read the title of the article and didnt go on to read the content.
by Discman2 on Dec 28, 2008 3:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe because Mir was right to complain about the 5 rounds thing? Maybe because many comments made called Mir a douche bag, etc…
Look, Mir has to beat Nogueira in a 5 round fight + Brock Lesnar a second time in order to get that belt. He can complain a little bit, can he???
by NinjaCodah on Dec 28, 2008 3:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can understand him being upset about Couture/Lesnar upstaging his fight with Nogueira. He has no reason to complain about the 5 rounds. None.
by Mike Fagan on Dec 28, 2008 3:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What does he gain from that 5 round fight? Nothing, except a shot for the belt against an opponent he just beat. There was no real belt in line, it wasn’t a championship fight, it didn’t need to be a 5 round fight.
by NinjaCodah on Dec 28, 2008 4:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He signed for five rounds. Deal with it.
by Mike Fagan on Dec 28, 2008 4:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that’s the point isn’t? he signed for a title match back then, and then, it wasn’t a title match. It’s just a way to say that this interim belt means absolutely nothing.
I’m just saying some people were quick to criticize him for saying things which, i believe, were correct.
by NinjaCodah on Dec 28, 2008 4:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was a title match. For the belt that he agreed to fight for. This is stupid.
by Mike Fagan on Dec 28, 2008 4:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
don’t need to take it personal you know
by NinjaCodah on Dec 28, 2008 4:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...but you're very wrong.
It was a title fight. The interim title is still a title. So it was a title fight. So it is 5 rounds. So you’re not really making any sort of valid argument.
Frank was very impressive last night. But it doesn’t change the fact that he came across as whiny and kind of lame by complaining about having to fight 5 rounds.
Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 28, 2008 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
What an odd discussion.
When Serra got injured, GSP stepped up and took on Hughes, accepting a five round title fight for interim welterweight championship. No complaints, no whining from either fighter. Frank was definitely a bit whiny about the whole ordeal. He’s a professional; you don’t behave that way. Imagine if I started whining about my work on public media. My boss would hide me. The reason why Nog even became the interim champion in the first place is because Randy left the heavyweight division in disarray when he decided to walk out on his contract. A division cannot be held in limbo by contract disputes or injuries. Making this a five round fight, a tournament basically, makes complete sense. I really don’t understand your beef, NinjaCodah. Mir was awesome last night, and proved everyone wrong. Kudos to him, and I will be the first to acknowledge I got the prediction wrong, but the criticism of Mir has total merit. It’s not like this blog made it up.
by pud333 on Dec 28, 2008 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh i got no beef. I’m really glad that Mir won last night. I’m glad it was 5 rounds, i love it. But i just think that people are very quick at jumping on some of the things that he said, to then proceed to name tag him. Some people were just biased against him and it showed. He didn’t come across as whiny to me, but that’s just my opinion. Again, I’m not arguing the fact that, yes, this is a ‘title’ fight for a ‘title’. Doesn’t remove the fact that it’s a worthless interim title since the champ is there. I do think it’s worthless, really, i do. They were fighting to figure out who would be the contender. GSP won the interim WHILE Serra was injured, not while Serra was fighting somebody else.
by NinjaCodah on Dec 28, 2008 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With all due respect to Mir (as I am ecstatic that he won) – but Fedor fought Nog when Nog was in his prime (or close to it)…he is a figment of his former self.
Fedor>Mir
by Logs2981 on Dec 28, 2008 3:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mir still takes Lesnar, but I see Lesnar’s best chance is to not go to the ground with Mir.
I’ll admit I was a bit teary eyed for Mir when he was making his speech, you gotta feel for the guy and congratulate him.
Bring on Nog vs Randy!
by Pandanus on Dec 28, 2008 2:20 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Stop talking about Rampage!!!
I’m tired of all the media and websites talking about if Rampage is mentally OK!! He is!! I’m getting sick of it.
by steveoc24 on Dec 28, 2008 2:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think he literally knocked one of his demons out.
by subo on Dec 28, 2008 2:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
crazy KO!!
now hopefully everybody can STFU!
by steveoc24 on Dec 28, 2008 2:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why feel bad for mir
if you really look at it he is the real champ. he never lost the belt to anyone but a moving car lol lol.mir will sub lesnar if lesnar tries to get on the ground with him.like i said before lesnar needs better bjj defense or he will get tricked again. its not your size but your sub that matters.
by valtheguy on Dec 28, 2008 2:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
page will be ok.2 year probation, some community service. he will be fine
by valtheguy on Dec 28, 2008 2:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
rolling in the dough
page, forrest and rashad each got $60,000.page got k.o of the night(yall remember silva saying “dana give me the check for k.o of the night because i will knock out this guy” lol)forrest and rashad for fight of the night.
by valtheguy on Dec 28, 2008 2:37 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Submission of the night?
"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007
by lovingmma25 on Dec 28, 2008 2:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No submissions—→ No sub of the night reward
by Discman2 on Dec 28, 2008 2:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t know if maybe there was a submission on the undercard – thanks.
"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007
by lovingmma25 on Dec 28, 2008 2:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
CB TAPPED?
anyone else think cb tapped a few quick times, or did my eyes decieve me? cb is good at that you know. i would love to see the replay.
by bdw on Dec 28, 2008 2:40 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
we thought the same thing...
…he has the history for it
by RipeTide on Dec 28, 2008 2:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought I seen a tap too.
"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007
by lovingmma25 on Dec 28, 2008 2:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he tapped bro
i was at the bar and 11 people said he tapout. that guy is one lucky lying bastard(iN a good wAY)
by valtheguy on Dec 28, 2008 2:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Groupthink says what?!?
I mean don’t get me wrong. I can’t stand the douche either, but just because some drunken buffoons in a bar say they thought he tapped, sorry, but I’m fairly certain that the ref is a wee bit closer to the action than any of you and your bar buddies.
Omar...I'm done with you. Hello Darren Ford! Come to papa.
by PacBellBoozer on Dec 28, 2008 4:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not a UFC event without someone trying to drum up some kind of controversy.
by who me on Dec 28, 2008 5:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he did for a second, but I think he was just trying to brace himself on the mat. I’ll have to watch it again.
by Mike Fagan on Dec 28, 2008 3:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so it wasn’t just me. i spoke to alot of people who thought he tapped as well. PHILDO. about that tin foil hat?
by bdw on Dec 28, 2008 3:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was screaming he tapped
at first instinct. It really did look like he tapped 3 times blindside to Lavigne.
Need to see a gif…I wanted a replay at the end of the fight that kind of pissed me off.
by achengy on Dec 28, 2008 5:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s just that little shit like that isn’t a tap.
When you want to end the fight, you tap like a madman. Brock vs. Mir, that was a tap. These little things like this and Tommy Speer on TUF that time, those are not close to tapping out.
Sometimes when trying to position your hand to get out of a sub, you can put your hand in the same place more than once, it is not tapping out, that’s all this is. I think everyone that thinks they saw a tap is overreacting, and needs to relax and enjoy the fights some more.
by Phildo on Dec 28, 2008 8:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So you’re saying that everyone who saw a tap is in on a conspiracy against CB?
Wheres your tinfoil hat?
by mythbuster on Dec 28, 2008 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lot’s of people saying something, doesn’t make it any better. There are tons of people screaming that the Nog/Mir fight was a bad stoppage, that doesn’t make it true.
I’m saying that people saying that it was a tap that should have ended the fight or complaining that this had some effect on the outcome need to find something else to worry about, that wasn’t a tap, this isn’t important.
by Phildo on Dec 28, 2008 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol @ your distorted image of your importance.
Just because you don’t agree with something doesn’t mean others shouldn’t talk about it. Get over yourself, get over the issue and stop acting like a rich little girl.
by mythbuster on Dec 28, 2008 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Try to keep it civil, ladies.
Bolts from the Blue // "It is what it is." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Dec 28, 2008 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
PHILDO
i enjoyed the fights just fine. what conspiracy theory? i had no preference for either fighter and had no money bet on either, so i had no pre-dispostion at all before this fight. i just really thought i saw a tap and wanted to know if anyone else did as well. it seems that quite a few on this site thought the same thing as did several on other sites. you are the only one that sounds paranoid to me.
by bdw on Dec 28, 2008 9:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
anyone else think cb tapped a few quick times, or did my eyes decieve me? cb is good at that you know. i would love to see the replay.
That was my first thought too, but I haven’t seen a replay yet so not sure.
by mythbuster on Dec 28, 2008 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He didn’t tap. However, he has a tendency to make motions that look like he is tapping or about to tap. Imo, this is going to cost him at some point.
And is it just me, or has anyone else noticed, when fighters get in a sub position, and I’m talking about early in the position not when they are about to lose an arm, that instead of defending, they use their free arm to hover and prepare to tap? I have seen guys hold their hand for probably 15-20 seconds just holding on and waiting to tap rather than try to defend. I actually won a match with a guillotine that i was about to let go, because I could see the guy holding his hand up waiting to tap. Crazy.
Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.
http://eliotmarshall.com/
by BJJDenver on Dec 28, 2008 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thiago tavares did the same thing against matt wiman. it was aquick little 1-2!, and the ref missed it, but it was definitely a tap. thankfully wiman still got the decision or all hell would have broke loose. i’m not sure if these are actually “panic taps” or ploys to trick the ref and the opponent. it does seem to happen to cb alot though, maybe this is something the refs need to look at more closely.
by bdw on Dec 28, 2008 9:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch.
0 for 5 on my pics tonight. Time for my walk of shame.
Quick thoughts:
Mir – He looked fantastic. Two of the best ground heavyweights in MMA, but no butt scooching! Good stuff.
Rampage – looked great. Danzig should eat some crow now.
Rashad – I’ve overlooked him until now. Team Jackson must be loving it right now. Both Welterweight and LHW champs. Wow.
Chuck – Someone give that dude a tissue. He was obviously hoping for a Silva win, but to no avail. For a moment there, I almost thought we were gonna get some waterworks out of Chuck. Must be tough watching things slip away. Top it off, Rashad wins the LHW belt. I think those predictions about him possibly retiring in 2009 just got stronger.
by pud333 on Dec 28, 2008 3:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
It’s interesting that Rampage was shaking his head when Chuck beat Wandy last December, and now it’s Chuck shaking his head because ’Page got him some.
by Mike Fagan on Dec 28, 2008 3:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot about that.
Chuck never KO’d Silva like Rampage did either. In fact, if memory serves, he hasn’t had a TKO or KO since Tito. Tito was a long time ago… Gotta sting pretty bad for Chuck right now.
by pud333 on Dec 28, 2008 3:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It seems that Wanderlei and Chuck are pretty much in the same position they were in one year ago. I say Chuck should go to Heavyweight and Wandy possibly to middleweight.
by Pandanus on Dec 28, 2008 3:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Doubtful he goes to MW. That’s Demian Maia territory according to Wanderlei.
by Discman2 on Dec 28, 2008 3:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d love to see Wandy try MW, but yeah, as Discman2 noted, Maia is currently burning up the lines there.
by pud333 on Dec 28, 2008 4:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Chuck was just trying to shake out the rest of the cobwebs from getting ktfo!
Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.
http://eliotmarshall.com/
by BJJDenver on Dec 28, 2008 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rampage – looked great. Danzig should eat some crow now.
As should a lot of people, including those who harped on him training in England as a bad thing :)
by mythbuster on Dec 28, 2008 11:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
questions…
after the rampage knock out, the camras when to chuck liddell and chuck didnt
look soo happy, why do you guys think that is ?
Also, who hits harder then Rampage in the UFC ? Chuck and Wandy have some awesome chins.
And is Evans and Rampage next ? or do they finally let Lyoto Machida get a shot ?
by radamez85 on Dec 28, 2008 4:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
It’s going to be tough to give Machida a shot when they haven’t even let him fight a top five guy yet.
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Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Dec 28, 2008 4:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly.
Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.
http://eliotmarshall.com/
by BJJDenver on Dec 28, 2008 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Regarding Mir’s striking, I find it very interesting that the basic assumption was that Nog was going to outbox Mir.
Does anybody have any inside reports from Mir’s trainers about his striking? Because, prior to this fight, Mir had spent about 25 seconds on his feet in the past two years. Awfully hard to judge standup based on 25 seconds.
by Michaelthebox on Dec 28, 2008 4:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
MIr is known for his submission skills but he grew up studying Kempo Karate and had a black belt in that long before he even started BJJ. His boxing was surprising tonight but I never got why people were writing off his striking ability?
by who me on Dec 28, 2008 4:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mir got dropped by like the first punch that Lesnar had thrown in the stand up game. Plus, he has never really looked that great with his stand up. Nog had shown that his stand up was improved and that was what made people think that Nog would outbox Mir. I think that Nog underestimated Mir. I also think that Mir overestimated Nog and with that, came domination from Mir.
by RyanHobbs on Dec 28, 2008 5:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mir hadn’t really looked overly impressive in anything he had done since the accident but that doesn’t mean that he has never looked good striking(just ask Wes Sims). I think a lot of people were underestimating Mir in a lot of ways, looking at his post accident performances it is understandable but it still was underestimating what he was capable of.
As for Nog’s striking I’m not sure where he had shown this much improved striking, was it where Herring dropped him like he had shot him or where TIm Sylvia was picking him apart on his feet? Honestly it’s not like Nog was known for knocking people out either and when was the last time anyone honestly picked Nog as having the advantage in the striking game? Nogueira is a legend because he can take punishment and is one of the best MMA submission fighters the world has ever seen not because of his stand up. The KO was very unexpected but it just didn’t make much sense that people were writing off Mir’s stand up, particularly against Nogueira.
by who me on Dec 28, 2008 6:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude...
the Wes Sims fight was some of the sloppiest ass striking ever. Mir was gassed and winging wide, poorly thrown punches but he clipped an even more gassed (not to mention crappy) Sims.
He has never looked anything near what he did last night in the striking game…ever
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 28, 2008 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He dropped him with a couple of knees from the clinch and a straight shot to his face not just clipping the guy with wild flailing punches. The guy obviously has some skills people were overlooking and last night proves that pretty clearly.
by who me on Dec 28, 2008 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
but watch the entire fight…not the ending flurry. His striking wasn’t exactly sharp. I loved Mir at that point in his career and have never liked Sims. But his striking in that fight on the whole was not good.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 28, 2008 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The knock on Mir has always been his endurance, that fight was particularly rough in that regard but the ending flurry was highlight reel KO and honestly it only takes one good flurry to end a fight. I’m not saying the guy was secretly Chuck Liddell here I just can’t believe people are acting surprised by anyone outstriking Nogueira.
by who me on Dec 28, 2008 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was the 14 minutes he dominated Herring on the feet. People need to stop focusing on the 1 minute he was in trouble in that fight.
by Mike Fagan on Dec 28, 2008 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Herring got dropped by Brock`s first punch too.
"They called him the axe-murderer because he was murdering chumps. They should have been calling him the chump-murderer..." Rampage Jackson (commentating on the fighting abilities of Wanderlei "F#ck Chuck" Silva.)
by BlueberryMuffin on Dec 28, 2008 9:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Does anybody have any inside reports from Mir’s trainers about his striking? Because, prior to this fight, Mir had spent about 25 seconds on his feet in the past two years. Awfully hard to judge standup based on 25 seconds.
Striking, I think I have the potential to be the better striker, but as far as actually applying it in the ring that’s a different story. That’s really going to be my goal now — I’ve seen what I’ve done in practice and I need to transfer that to life.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2008/12/5/682752/frank-mir-speaks – December 5th. Anyone who was surprised that he was striking (and I’ve seen a few posts about that) must have missed the part where Mir SAID his only chance was to out strike Nog.
by mythbuster on Dec 28, 2008 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mir > Nog > Barnett > Hunt > Kohsaka > Fedor
:) Had to do it.
by Pandanus on Dec 28, 2008 7:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Just got through watching a couple of the fights while i'm at work...
Rampage got a little payback against Wandy and some redemption at the same time…Looks like the door is shutting rapidly on a title run for Liddell; i’ve never seen him look so down…. Forrest was looking pretty good against Rashad. If he could have gotten back to his feet or survived that round on his back, he might have won on points. Anyway, glad for Rashad, and hope to see him fight Rampage soon. That’s going to be a hell of a fight. I’m going to try to watch Mir vs Nog on my next break. Watching MMA on the job…Priceless.
by Cmad77 on Dec 28, 2008 9:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Everyone is jockin’ Mir for his win, but Noguiera looked overweight, slow, etc. It was seriously the worst Noguiera ever. Forget the lack of punching alone: There wasn’t footwork either. He looked all sorts of bad. Mir won and deserves a spot in the top 5 for now but I can’t see him being there long. I see Lesnar probably not leaving himself so wide open next time and pounding Mir standing. In that case, what a rise to the almost top of the mountain: A journeyman heavyweight, a 45 year old man, and a BJJ black belt/strip club bouncer with a beer belly.
UFC is playing hot potato with the light heavyweight title. I like Rashad against pretty much everyone right now except everyone’s favorite karate striker. No successful title defenses since 2006, btw. Speaking of light heavyweights, Wanderlei and Rampage were very tenative; quite a surprise given the last two. Rampage fell into a counter punching mode and took a bunch of leg kicks. When Wanderlei jumped in, his wildness got him banged out.,
Most interesting development for me: Kongo learned how to defend a takedown.
by D.Capitated on Dec 28, 2008 9:20 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
It’s funny how quickly everyone turns on Nog now.
How many people picked Mir? Almost none and certainly NO ONE picked him to actually finished Noguiera let alone via TKO. Mir’s striking was leaps and bounds ahead from previous outings and he played a smart game.
That being said the Lesnar/Mir 2 fight will be a different fight but I still see Mir taking the victory via submission.
Pete Williams Shoulder-Lock, I’m calling it!
by Pandanus on Dec 28, 2008 9:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
People turned on Noguiera because he looks shot to pieces. He may turn around and beat someone great in impressive fashion, but I seriously, seriously doubt it.
by D.Capitated on Dec 28, 2008 9:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you’ve watched any of Silva or Rampage’s (especially Jackson) recent fights, you wouldn’t have been surprised by how they came out last night.
by Mike Fagan on Dec 28, 2008 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That is very well said. i think a lot of us picked with our hearts instead of our heads. i don’t think anybody wants to see the end for guys like Wandy and Nog, but it is reality at some point.
Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.
http://eliotmarshall.com/
by BJJDenver on Dec 28, 2008 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What???
So i saw the fights last night but now im left wondering, is Rashad is #1 LHW in the world?
by #5mmafan on Dec 28, 2008 9:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well
He’s the champ so I would think so, but I never pretend to understand how the rankings work.
by mythbuster on Dec 28, 2008 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The December Meta-Rankings should start going up in the first week of January. We’ll see then, I guess.
Bolts from the Blue // "It is what it is." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Dec 28, 2008 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mir looked great against Nog.
But he is also very slow. No way is Brock going to let him get set up to use his boxing. Brock’s going to take him down and work him, just like he started to in their first fight. Only this time I don’t see him getting overzealous and being stood up, or caught in a submission.
by Cmad77 on Dec 28, 2008 9:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
get Evans the f*#k out of there
Dana, please hook us up with the “Rampage” vs. “Evans” fight so we can look at Evans wearing that belt for the least amount of time possible. PLEASE!!!
by donkeypunch on Dec 28, 2008 11:07 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah!
That guy is totally undefeated and has looked increasingly impressive every time out! I’m sick of him!
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 28, 2008 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
true
I know he’s a bad ass, but he’s a dick. I have a hard time cheering for assholes.
by donkeypunch on Dec 28, 2008 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wat? Rashad seems like someone I’d love to hang out with.
by Mike Fagan on Dec 28, 2008 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I don’t like the showboating (which I didn’t see him do last night), but nothing he has ever done outside the ring has ever made me think bad of him. In fact, he seems like a very good guy.
by mythbuster on Dec 28, 2008 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. Don’t know him personally, but I do know one of his training partners and he says he is a great guy.
Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.
http://eliotmarshall.com/
by BJJDenver on Dec 28, 2008 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mir
Its sad all these nuthuggers are proclaiming Mirs greatness, he fought a tired worn out Noguiera, the guy is a shell of who he once was. an it seems that he will be the sports first example of Muhammad Ali syndrome. Once a great fighter who took to much punishment .Supposedly he has glaucoma an he will most likely wind up with Parkinsons. He has deteriorated rapidly since entering the UFC, just look at his fights against Sylvia an Herring. Sad he should retire an teach.
by librachoke on Dec 28, 2008 11:47 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Logan = Too Skinny :(
Still better than plastic Edith. :P
by xFenixKnightx on Dec 28, 2008 11:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
If you can touch ’em, they are real.
logan is not my type, but no question she is beautiful. When I saw Edith in person, i was shocked at how hot she is. She definitely deserves more credit.
Of course, they can all eat crackers imo, lol!
Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.
http://eliotmarshall.com/
by BJJDenver on Dec 28, 2008 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m a big fan of Logan – someone said on Fightlinker (I think) that it was evident that her and Arianny were having a ball last night, and that is totally key to why I think she’s so hot :)
by tomh on Dec 28, 2008 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
err
You think she’s hot because her and Arianny have balls?
I apologize. I shamed myself. I must be quiet now.
by mythbuster on Dec 28, 2008 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Overall
Epic night!
Evans ownage of Forrest possibly setting up Rampage VS Evans FTW!
Rampage Revenge FTMFW!
Mirs win creating Mir VS Lesnar II FTW!!!
xFenixKnightx <3 UFC!
No Okami fight FTL though… lol
by xFenixKnightx on Dec 28, 2008 11:59 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nog vs Couture is now possible
Despite last night again proving that this is the hardest sport in the world to handicap, it opened some cool matchups that werent possible had the favorites won.
Nog vs Couture seems really imminant.
Griffen vs Lidell is now very possible
Rashad and Page seems like the next championship fight.
Not sure what to do w/ Wandy. Maybe Machida?
And where the fuck did Mir learn to strike? I didnt give Mir a chance in the Lesnar rematch, but who ever that was fighting Nog last night sure has a shot.
by Headkick on Dec 28, 2008 1:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nog vs Couture, loser leaves town match, lol.
Honestly, I think we can expect this fight soon.
Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.
http://eliotmarshall.com/
by BJJDenver on Dec 28, 2008 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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