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The Fight That Needs to Happen: Brock Lesnar vs....

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On December 27th, the biggest fight of the night will not take place between an Axe Murderer or a guy on a Rampage. It will not take place between a guy who is as sweet as Sugar or a high-flying Griffin. But rather, it will be taking place between Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira and Frank Mir. And it's not because of the fact that it's between the second best heavyweight in the world and a guy who is looking to reclaim what was once his. It's not because Nogueira has shown a penchant for getting floored in his last few fights either. It's not because it's a battle between two of the greatest ground Heavyweights to ever grace the octagon. There is an underlying reason why this fight is the biggest fight of UFC 92: The Ultimate 2008.

In order to legitimatize the hulking monster that is Brock Lesnar, Dana White and Zuffa needs a clear victor between Nogueira and Mir. And it's not the one that Brock wants to win. Lesnar stated that he wants to fight Mir again just to simply get his revenge for the loss he suffered during his octagon debut. However, Lesnar should be hoping for a different outcome. He should be hoping for Nogueira to defeat Mir. And I know you're all about to ask why. It's quite simple. Fedor versus Lesnar is why. Should Nogueira defeat the likes of Mir, and Lesnar defeat Nogueira when they hook up to unify the two Heavyweight titles sometime in 2009, it would set up arguably the biggest fight in the history of UFC's Heavyweight division.

Think about the ramifications that would come from Lesnar defeating Randy Couture and Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira in back-to-back fights.And just think about the ramifications if he were to finish Nogueira in the same kind of workmanlike fashion that he finished Couture. Could you just imagine the aura that would be coming off of Lesnar at that time? He'd hold three straight victories over legitimate (and dangerous) competition. The likes of Heath Herring, Randy Couture, and Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira. Nothing to sneeze at. Nothing to diminish whatsoever.

Of course, there is another side to this potential showdown. The side that features the presence of the unbeatable machine that is Fedor Emelianenko. A man who has defeated the top Heavyweights in the world today. A man who appears to be a mythological beast that cannot be tamed nor destroyed. And his side of the showdown will take place on January 24th, with another possible fight after that. Should Fedor, and he likely will, defeat the likes of Andrei Arlovski, it will set up a big showdown with Josh Barnett. And should Fedor silence the Babyface Assassin, what would loom next for this man? There would not be much out there for him. It would be himself and Lesnar at the top of the mountain, in competing organizations.

In a way, Dana White needs Fedor to win. He truly does. And if Fedor does win, it sets up the biggest payday in UFC history. The MegaFight of all megafights. The showdown of all showdowns. The hulking rhino, Brock Lesnar, against the fearless machine, Fedor Emelianenko. Think of the buyrates this fight would bring. It would be just like the fight that never happened. Remember the fight that needed to happen, Couture versus Fedor? Well this would trump that fight. You would have the two biggest icons in the Heavyweight division clashing inside the world's greatest proving ground, the octagon. In a five round affair that would settle it once and for all, who is the greatest Heavyweight in the world today? Is it Fedor or is it Lesnar?

Lesnar, at the time of the potential fight, would have defeated Nogueira and Couture, the second and third ranked Heavyweights in the world. The only guy that would be left standing in his way would be Fedor. A very tough task for the greenhorn Lesnar. But a task that he would be ready for. And after his remarks regarding Fedor, I'm sure Fedor would be up for it as well. So when could this fight take place, you ask. How about in December of 2009? By that time, Fedor and Lesnar will have finished up their next fights. Lesnar with Nogueira, sometime in the spring-summer of 2009, and Fedor with Barnett, around the same time.

So by this date next year, we could be looking forward to a different kind of Ultimate climax to the year inside the octagon (and MMA). We could be looking forward to the meeting of the (arguably) two best Heavyweights in the world. We could be looking forward to the biggest Pay Per View in the UFC's history. And we could be looking forward to the one fight that makes the world stop. The one fight that begs the question, are you indeed ready? I know I am. What about you?

So here is to the idea of Lesnar-Fedor. Here is to the idea that all things can be settled inside the octagon. And here is to the idea that all men are not created equal. So let this fight happen. It wants to happen. It should happen. It could happen. And it needs to happen.

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Very well written and I share your hope. Fedor beats AA, beats Yvel (hehehe!) and then signs a three or four fight contract with the UFC. If he does manage to beat Brock, Carwin and Cain and several others will be in a position to give Fedor competition he simply can’t find anywhere else.

It is all kind of jacked if Brock loses, though – I think I’m the only person on earth that wants to see Fedor-Nog IV.

by subo on Dec 18, 2008 11:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think I’m the only person on earth that wants to see Fedor-Nog IV

That makes two of us. I’d rather see him fight Nog again than fucking Yvel or some of the other beer-bellied heavyweight opposition available beyond Arlovski and Barnett.

by Blackout612 on Dec 18, 2008 11:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think that it would be the biggest hardcore fight of the year, perhaps ever. I don’t think that a fight with Fedor would do the numbers that rematch with Mir would. With Mir you have footage and a narrative. With Fedor you have neither (I think Vadim has control of Fedor’s PRIDE footage, not the UFC).

However, I would prefer the fight with Fedor, partially because it would mean that Fedor was in the UFC. Oh, and because it would be a friggin badass fight.

by Rundownloser on Dec 19, 2008 1:10 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Finklestein definitely does not have the rights to Fedor’s PRIDE footage. Right now he’s making it so all Fedor’s new contracts make sure that happens, but ZUFFA has Fedor’s PRIDE days firmly wrapped up.

The only footage theyd be using would be the Lindland fight, the Choi fight and the Sylvia fight.

by SamCupitt on Dec 19, 2008 1:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha. That’s hilarious.

by Rundownloser on Dec 19, 2008 2:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it sets up the biggest payday in UFC history.

i doubt it. Randy is a bigger draw than fedor. But if they hype it up maybe then can reel in all those casual fans the way they drew liddell vs tito.. They did pretty good without much backing and hype on the couture brock fight, so maybe they can, but i still doubt it..

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by Anton Tabuena on Dec 19, 2008 2:18 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Fedor is pretty big draw outside of the states so I wonder what they can do for a buyrate if he were to fight Lesnar considering all the progress he’s making in the states.

"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill

by FlyByKnight on Dec 19, 2008 3:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Zuffa will control how big the payday is for this fight.

Look at Fedor’s past PPV performance.

If Zuffa wants to be assholes, they can promote Fedor Brock less than they promoted Brock/Randy, and it will do as well as Brock/Mir or Brock/Herring did.

It will be a huge fight, but Fedor brings nothing to the table financially for Zuffa. The people that already know who Fedor is already buy every UFC or don’t buy every UFC, and signing Fedor won’t really change that, and this is the problem with M-1 negotiation points.

by Phildo on Dec 19, 2008 12:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The thing I forgot to mention was the Tito-like aura that Brock has surrounding him now in regards to his PPV success. His attitude is that of Tito’s when Tito wasn’t well liked. We all remember those days. Tito sold a PPV simply because people didn’t like him and wanted to see him get his ass beaten down or they loved him and wanted to see him beat the guy that everyone else loved. It’s the same thing with Lesnar. And that’s why any PPV with him will produce a huge buyrate. One with Fedor would smash buyrates.

"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill

by FlyByKnight on Dec 19, 2008 3:44 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

All the moons have to align for this one to work out… because I’m not so sure Brock can get past Nogueira or Mir.

by Nick Thomas on Dec 19, 2008 9:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Then again, you probably had Couture winning, right?

by subo on Dec 20, 2008 2:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Very well written article...

all for nothing though… Fedor will never fight in the UFC….

Only way a clear cut number one will ever come out is if Arlovski beats Fedor. Arlovski will come back to the UFC, he’d make serious bank off the UFC because then Dana will have the man that beat Fedor.

The UFC will ultimately snag Arlovski back and sign Barnett once Affliction folds but Fedor will not be in the UFC…ever…mark my words.

by Gunslinger20 on Dec 19, 2008 10:07 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm so confident that Fedor will never sign w/ the UFC that....

if Fedor signs a deal w/ the UFC, I’ll eat my own pubes on a Ritz cracker dipped in honey.

Thats how confident I am that Fedor won’t sign w/ the UFC.

by Gunslinger20 on Dec 19, 2008 10:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I will not forget that if and when Fedor signs. I want video proof of you cutting the pubes so I know they’re not fake.

by dropkick101 on Dec 19, 2008 4:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol... if Fedor signs w/ the UFC

I will gladly provide proof and I’ll post it on here in as tasteful way as possible…lol

by Gunslinger20 on Dec 19, 2008 5:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Please don’t.

Bolts from the Blue // "It is what it is." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Dec 19, 2008 6:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ahhh.... Richard

You act as though there is a snowballs chance in hell that Fedor will sign with the UFC… lol

by Gunslinger20 on Dec 19, 2008 6:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t care how unlikely it is. I don’t want to chance seeing you post that.

Bolts from the Blue // "It is what it is." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Dec 19, 2008 6:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, but it is nice to dream....

You’re right, though. The UFC and Finklestein have irreconcilable differences; the only way we will ever see Fedor in the Octagon is if he dumped his current management in the belief that he can make more money. Now that he lost a Sambo match, his desire to have the flexibility to compete in Sambo competitions may be diminished, but I doubt he would ever sign over his rights to the UFC. Zuffa would have to make a special contract for him in which, for example, he would have rights to his image, UFC video, et al, in Russia, at least. And we all know how much Zuffa loves giving fighters freedom…. He would also have to be allowed to leave the UFC if and when he became champ. The current UFC contract does not allow champions to leave and fight for another organization. As it currently stands, he would have to lose or retire to get out of a deal. That’s not going to fly. It’s never going to happen.

by Drewplata on Dec 19, 2008 10:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fedor will never fight in the UFC. I believe Dana will never pay him what he wants and he will always be able to secure a bigger check fighting overseas, for a startup, etc. Since Dana won’t unify titles outside of the UFC, Fedor will never fight Lesnar unless Lesnar jumps ship.

by lbk on Dec 19, 2008 10:33 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The only way Lesnar can jump ship....

…is if he loses (see post above). That scenario would be less than ideal for whomever was to promote that fight.

by Drewplata on Dec 19, 2008 10:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I don’t think Lesnar would jump ship at all. So basically, I don’t think Fedor will ever be facing Lesnar. I actually think Fedor will prob fight for a few more years fighting a few more cans and retire.

by lbk on Dec 19, 2008 11:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

interesting...

i think a few others mentioned it… but I don’t see Fedor in the UFC either… he’s not as big of a ppv draw as lesnar is… even tho he’s exponentially a better fighter that would likely win that fight in round one without much trouble at all.

Dana White and the UFC want ppv buys, doesn’t matter who… as long as they sell tickets. Fedor vs Sylvia didn’t really sell that big… Fedor vs Arlovski won’t come close to Lesnar vs Couture either… So while Fedor is likely the best HW on the planet going away… he’s not big enough ppv-wise to justify White signing him with all the stipulations he won’t agree to in the contract negotiations.

Well written article tho, and interesting viewpoint.

I hope someone saves that post from the guy who said he would eat his pubes… if I were Dana White, I’d sign him for a one fight deal just to make him do it! haha!

by scottyweb on Dec 19, 2008 1:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

He’d be spry – Gunslinger’s Muay Thai is sick.

by subo on Dec 20, 2008 2:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lol...

You know what, if eating my “ball fro” would make that happen….. maybe I’d achieve sainthood…. well maybe not in Richard’s eyes.

I’d sacrifice for the better good :)

by Gunslinger20 on Dec 20, 2008 10:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You’re welcome to do it. Just don’t post evidence.

Bolts from the Blue // "It is what it is." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Dec 20, 2008 11:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Richard, buddy...

its a joke man….

If it ever were to happen, I would honor my end of the deal and one way or the other…. people will get the proof if they want to see it.

by Gunslinger20 on Dec 21, 2008 12:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know it’s a joke.

Bolts from the Blue // "It is what it is." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Dec 21, 2008 12:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So let this fight happen. It wants to happen. It should happen. It could happen. And it needs to happen.

Dude, take Thomas Gerbasi’s job over at ufc.com and hype some fights. I’m fucking pumped up right now.

by dropkick101 on Dec 19, 2008 4:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Big point here is the following...

Affliction… they need Fedor, badly.

UFC… doesn’t need Fedor, at all.

I think someone needs to start a support group for all these Fedor fans and helping them come to terms with the fact the man will never fight in the UFC.

by Gunslinger20 on Dec 19, 2008 5:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

In my opinion..

Dana doesn’t want Fedor coming over to the UFC just to steamroll his champion and leave. Like it or not Brock is the future of the UFC HW division for now. Brock is a huge draw for the UFC, a bigger draw than Fedor would ever hope to be in the UFC. All that said, I’d definately be onboard to watch a Lesnar vs. Fedor bout. But then again I’m holding out for a Lesnar vs Lashley match, with Stone Cold Steve Austin for a suprise guest referee!! HAHA

by ANance on Dec 19, 2008 6:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It’s the “and leave” part that’s the catch. Dana would happily have Fedor annihilate Brock or anyone else, so long as it meant that his only fights in the future would be for the UFC. That’s what the “crazy Russians” (Dana’s term, not mine) won’t sign on for. One thing that no one can say about Dana and the Fertitta’s is that they aren’t fans; I bet they LOVE watching Fedor fight. But simultaneously, they HATE watching him fight for someone else.

"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."

by AJB on Dec 19, 2008 7:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that as of now Brock is a bigger draw for the UFC than Fedor would be. But I don’t think you can say that Fedor could never be a bigger draw than brock. I think if Fedor did fight in the UFC, once fans saw him eat a few of the UFC’s top heavy weights that things could possibly change. I think, and I’m sure many others agree that Fedor is far more exciting to watch than Brock because of the way he beats people half to death then subs them. Also think about how big of a draw Fedor would be after he beat Brocks ass, which I am very sure he would do.

by attgnp on Dec 20, 2008 11:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Let's just say...

The term “Zulu’d” would become “Lesnar’d”.

by KneeToTheFace on Dec 20, 2008 6:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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