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TUF 8 Finale Afterthoughts...

Yeah Eliot!!!!!! Way to go!

Ok, now that I got that out of my system, lol, let me start with a couple of things.

Awesome job by the UFC, using their platform to give back to our soldiers via the Intrepid Fallen Heroes Fund. Agree or disagree with the war, supporting our troops and their families is absolutely neccessary and anything short of that is despicable.

Thanks to Zuffa for 3 free cards in the past week and a half. No matter how the cards turn out, having these events makes it much easier for me to justify the money I spend on ppv each month. And by "free" I mean not having to pay an additional amount beyond my normal monthly bill and watching commercials. Sorry, but there is always somebody ready to redefine the term, "free".

So the sometimes entertaining, often disgusting season has come to an end. The ripple effect has yet to be seen...

 

-One last thought on the antics. When TUF 1 came on, it was a new venture and nobody knew what to expect. We all saw the drama that surrounded Chris Leben and the attention that brought him. I can say without hesitation, that he probably would have been out of the UFC long ago, if not for the recognition TUF garnered him. So, we shouldn't be surprised that the amount of poor behavior has escaleted to this point, when fighters know they can get as much, or more, attention from misbehaving as they can from fighting. The question now is, "who will be the new and improved Junie Browning in future seasons?". Fasten your seatbelts and grab that little paper bag from the seatback in front of you.

-Junie vs Kaplan. Very impressive performance by Junie, albeit against a clearly inferior opponent. Refreshing statements from him, but it is going to take a lot more than that for me to forget TUF Junie and support UFC Junie.

-Eliot vs Jules. Very impressive performance by Eliot, albeit against a clearly inferior opponent. Noticing a trend here? Was Eliot's striking impressive? Yes. Was his ground attack? Of course. But most impressive was his focus, determination, confidence and overall mental state. I'm glad we got to see a couple of guys like Eliot and Krystof get televised, they deserved it. Now obviously, Jules needs to go back to the minors, but the confidence a win like this gives a fighter, can not be overstated.

-Krystof vs Primm. Mildly impressive performance by Krystof, albeit against a clearly inferior opponent. I think Brookhouse may be correct in the misplacement of all the Krystof love appearing on the net. He is just such a cool dude, that I think we all want him to be a world beater. I hope at this point in his career, he can still find ways to improve.

-Wilson vs The Athlete. Wilson is clearly on the upswing and i just don't know what MacDonald's place is right now, though it appears to be gatekeeper. I hope he doesn't get cut by the UFC, but he really could use a big win soon.

-Johnson vs Burns. Pretty good fight, though I had Johnson winning both rounds. I think Johnson's size is amazing and difficult to deal with. I hope he continues to improve  and round his game out. Oh, by the way, OUCH! Best head kick since Gonzaga vs CC?? Burns is also very tough and should have a nice UFC career before it is done.

-Bader vs Vinny. Damn, Vinny is huge at 205. My guess is we will see him several more times at least. Note to Darth Bader: Metallica does a version of "The Imperial Death March", get it and use it! Bader fought smart and has a lot of power in his strikes. When he caught Vinny and put him down, I think what won him that fight, was his ability to control himself and not dive onto Vinny, who went down and rolled to replace guard. Bader stayed up, avoided the ground and landed the hammer strikes that finished the fight. Job well done. Lot's of potential in the TUF 8 LHWs.

-Nover vs Efrain. Good fight, not a great fight. I still believe that Nover has more skills, but Efrain used the Kryptonite and took him down at will. Efrain put the fight where he wanted it and controlled position, was more effective and forced Nover to swing for the fences, which he easily ducked and slipped. I really look forward to seeing both of these guys in the near future.

Overall, I think it was a pretty good show, even though it didn't have the coaches fighting or any traditional fan favorites to anchor it. We saw some devastating strikes, some good subs and some competitive fights.

I know that some people don't have a lot of interest in the preliminary fights, but i view it as a nice reward for guys that contributed to TUF and otherwise may not ever get the chance to fight on a UFC card.

I really appreciated the flow of the broadcast tonight. I watched it live and it still seemed to flow very well in comparison to past Fight Nights and Finales. The one thing I truly dislike about free cards is not seeing the corner time between rounds, so this was a big improvement to me.

Lastly, I can't wait to see Mall Cop, featuring MMA supporter Kevin James and some bald headed Dutch guy...I mean very handsome Dutch guy. Damn, that scene where he was rolling in front of the glass doors so awkward and slow, really had me laughing!

Next up in 2 weeks, UFC 92: The Ultimate 2008, should be a great event!

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Nice write up… It was a solid show. That Anthony Johnson Head kick was nasty. Congrats to Eliot. I’d like to see an Eliot & Vinny fight. I think that’d be pretty good.

by asmiley420 on Dec 14, 2008 3:15 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

suckssssssss. I was really hoping nover would win…

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by Anton Tabuena on Dec 14, 2008 3:36 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

i was pulling for nover too. His wrestling got exposed though. Efrain had a great game plan for him.

by asmiley420 on Dec 14, 2008 3:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Even in the loss, Nover was impressive. No worries, he will be around for a while.

by mythbuster on Dec 14, 2008 11:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, i don’t think Nover looked really bad and Efrain showed a good plan but still needs some work as well. i really look forward to watching both of these guys’ careers progress.

Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.

http://eliotmarshall.com/

by BJJDenver on Dec 14, 2008 11:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I largely agree with your calls, except for one: best head kick since Gonzaga/Cro Cop? I’d go with best since Markham/Farber.

Otherwise, couldn’t agree more, especially giving everybody shots from the show. A fighter like Jules might not be ready to make 8k a fight, but with the money from his loss tonight, he can really get some good training and make some needed improvements. Win/win.

by Rundownloser on Dec 14, 2008 12:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Nice suggestion on the head kick!

Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.

http://eliotmarshall.com/

by BJJDenver on Dec 14, 2008 12:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Man, that was a good head kick:

by Rundownloser on Dec 14, 2008 12:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

for adding the GIF. Man, when the guy leans slightly into the kick, it just makes it so much worse. That was a devastating kick for sure, right on the jawline=goodnight.

Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.

http://eliotmarshall.com/

by BJJDenver on Dec 14, 2008 12:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The best part of the night to me was when Burns popped Johnson with i think a stiff left jab, a forceful statement that his hand was healed and there would be nothing to taint this fight for whoever won. Which was by an awesome head kick, even though I was pulling for Burns.

The second round of the lightweight final was frustrating me to tears, nothing really happened except for an active lay and pray from Escudero. Maybe it was me rooting for Nover, but please if you take someone down and the fight is kept on the ground for almost the entire round, someone should at least show some effect from it other than being more tired.

Plus…something about Escudero’s smirk makes me want to punch him in the face, or get Johnson to head kick him. Hopefully now that TUF is over and I don’t have to see it constantly my irrational hatred can fade.

by iiowyn on Dec 14, 2008 12:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

regarding take downs: I am a huge fan of the thought that mma judging/scoring should be changed or better defined. I like the idea that a take down doesn’t count for anything or counts for very little, unless there is damage inflicted or position improved. I am tiring of fighters getting the take down into closed guard and trying to strike from there instead of improving position. just because Fedor can do it, doesn’t mean everyone can, lol.

Efrain’s smirk: You know, it IS kind of annoying, lol. I just think that is his faces natural look and not something he is doing intentionally, but maybe this is what caused Nelson to go a little crazy in the house!

Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.

http://eliotmarshall.com/

by BJJDenver on Dec 14, 2008 12:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think
I am a huge fan of the thought that mma judging/scoring should be changed or better defined.

I read that mid-2009 a bunch of people are getting together to better define MMA rules and scoring.

A quick search and here it is: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/josh_gross/12/15/mma-rules/?eref=sircrc

Regulators are set to take another swing at the topic in the middle of 2009. The pending decision from Association of Boxing Commission members will go a long way in determining what MMA looks like decades from now, not only in terms of tactics fighters can use, but also the manner in which contests are scored.

Nothing definitive, just that they will meet to change some stuff. Hopefully for the better and not the “family viewing” type of changes.

by mythbuster on Dec 16, 2008 10:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is there such a thing...

as an “active lay and pray?” I’ve only used the term when a guy gets a takedown and holds with no attempt to do damage. I think Efrain’s was more of a ground and pound as he was landing shots and there was more than “hold him down and hope like hell” to it…

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 14, 2008 12:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Positional control to keep the other person from doing anything while using ineffective striking from a safe position. Essentially keeping the other person on their back and not risking anything. Effective from a judges’ scoring perspective while not being exciting or damaging. Escudero wasn’t being boring like Hendo was on Silva, but they did about the same amount of damage, none.

by iiowyn on Dec 14, 2008 12:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Clarification, I use the term ground and pound when damage is actually inflicted or at least clean hits happen.

by iiowyn on Dec 14, 2008 12:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

On

KS. I know it sounds like I’m being hard on the guy…But it isn’t because I dislike the guy. I watched a lot of IFL in my day and he was a guy who just never seemed to be a worldbeater and when he got on the show there was just this talk from everyone like he was a guaranteed superstar in the UFC. I think he is a great guy and I’d be plenty happy if he was able to succeed in his career. My main thing is that I want people to keep it in focus.

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 14, 2008 12:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed. Sorry if i made it sound like you had it in for the guy or something, definitely not my intention. I think you were just trying to be realistic about him as a fighter.

Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.

http://eliotmarshall.com/

by BJJDenver on Dec 14, 2008 12:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't directed at you...

I just didn’t want anyone to think I have a personal vendetta against the guy

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 14, 2008 2:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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