Email
PrintComments
Wow! What a jackass, lol. Still, if you don’t tap, it goes snap.
Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.
http://eliotmarshall.com/
missed that it was a satire piece, but my opinion stands based on his comments after the fight. I don’t think he said anything world shattering, but just displayed a lack of class and sportsmanship that i would expect after a devastating win like that.
Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.
http://eliotmarshall.com/
I really dislike Cantwell now. He came across as a quiet, strange meathead in the WEC. Add having no class to that list now.
I really hope he gets’ KO’d badly in his next fight.
Cantwell is now my favorite fighter. If you don’t like fighters getting their arms broke then you might want to find a different sport. It is just a broken arm, it will heal. Did you not even watch the charity stuff between the fights. Those guys are dealing with some real injuries. A broken arm is nothing, especially when it was the idiots fault that didn’t tap. I hope that he breaks more arms and eventually wins a UFC championship. He has the proper attitude for the sport. You do not.
When I win I celebrate. To hell with crying for the loser. That’s whats wrong with America. Not Cantwell.
Crying for the loser and having respect and displaying sportsmanship are two different things. This is what is wrong.
Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.
http://eliotmarshall.com/
Cantwell didn’t disrespect his opponent. However, the case can be made that his opponent disrespected him by not tapping and forcing him to either give up the hold or break the arm.
I think you and I probably have different expectations of these guys, and that is fine. I respect your position, but I disagree with it. Not tapping, while stupid, wasn’t a show of disrespect. He obviously thought he had a chance to escape, and was terribly wrong, lol.
Running around the ring saying I broke it and then talking about it as if he had just won the title afterward is disrespectful. I could have gotten past that if he had just added something like “seriously though, I hope he is alright and i appreciate him climbing into the cage with me.”
As for the arm, it happens and doesn’t bother me a bit. Being a tool about it does.
Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.
http://eliotmarshall.com/
See, you’ve consistently misunderstood what Cantwell was doing. When he was making those arm-breaking motions, he was just letting the doctors know what they needed to look for. The dance was an offering to the gods of health, to please restore his opponent. When he said he’d been waiting to do that for a long time, he was referring to the stretching motion, which allowed him to crack his back; his trainers won’t let him. It was merely a coincidence that Al-Hassan was injured at the same time.
You should be ashamed at casting Cantwell in a negative light for such a fine display of sportsmanship, and I for one am appalled at your cavalier negativity towards this fine fighter and individual.
by Michaelthebox on Dec 12, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yea, your right. I mean, these fighters need to respect each others feelings. Perhaps we should send him to some sensitivity training.
this is not about feelings. Its about respect for other fighters. Much like Hartt showed after Hill broke his leg. Its not how Hassan feels, its about the lack of Respect that Cantwell showed. He is classless, but like I said, its not a huge deal. he needs to grow up. Its not like all other MMA fighters would be on the top of my list of role models
Please define the proper level of respect that he should have shown. Perhaps we should get rid of the post fight interview and just have them bow and leave. When I watched the fight live I didn’t see anything out of the ordinary from other fighters after winning. He didn’t run up and lick the blood off of the guy or hold a sleeper hold too long (ahem BJ Penn).
licking the blood was a bit over the top, but BJ did not hold that hold too long. Pulver didn’t go out and BJ didn’t say anything like “I beat that ass cause that guy sucks big time.”
Proper respect is realizing that you came out on top today, but you both trained hard and got into the cage. Tomorrow could be diffrent and you could get your ass beat because that is the game. I mean where is the line. Cantwell breaks Hassans neck and walks around shouting about how he snapped his neck and in the interview he’s like “Do you smell that, he shit himself, thats how you know he’s dead. I snapped his neck”. As someone who broke a dudes neck in a wrestling match, its just not cool to WANT to seriously injure someone. I felt like shit over it. Not that I did anything wrong that led to the injury, but its not cool. There is a diffrence between hurt and injured. You go in trying to hurt someone, not injure them. Delighting in the later after a fight is a serious problem.
I understand. I am sorry. I didn’t know that you screwed up a wrestling move and almost killed a guy. Though that does explain your hyper-sensitivity about this issue. Perhaps it would help if you accepted responsibility for what you did to that guy instead of piling on an innocent fighter like Cantwell.
Simply put: it’s fine to be happy about winning, and even indifferent to the damage done to an oppent (it’s a combat sport afterall), but to be happy specifically because an opponent was seriously injured (and a dislocated arm is still a pretty serious injury) is classless bordering on ill. I remember when Wandy KTFO’d Jardine, in his interview afterwards he was happy as hell that he won, and said he hoped Jardine would be okay. Class.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
What do you think about....
B.J.‘s blood licking?
Tito’s grave digging?
Or the countless other taunts used by M.M.Artists?
The knife slash across the throat?
The two hands closed together laid across the face to symbolize putting someone to sleep?
Where is the line, and which of us thinks that they get to draw that line for the rest of us?
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Dec 13, 2008 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
Man, you are missing the point. Nobody has said anything about feelings or being sensitive to the other fighter. This isn’t a bar fight. He didn’t sleep with the other guys girl or mother. This is a competition, a sport at a world class level, a profession. All we are saying, is that he should have enough class and respect for himself, the sport and his opponent to not spout off at the mouth and celebrate in the manner he did. I know he was pumped and excited, and i can let the running around part go, but when he had the opportunity in the interview to show some respect, he bypassed it to make ignorant comments.
Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.
http://eliotmarshall.com/
Cantwell can’t want to break someones arm because it is classless.
Wishing someone would recieve traumatic brain injury is righteous?
Seriously how are you or cantwell any different?
by Dropkick434 on Dec 12, 2008 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I know this is satire, but I have no problems with his post-fight comments.
And I think he is a good fighter and will be in the UFC for a long time, probably get matched up against fighters out of his league or be fed to the wolves sooner or later, but I think for some reason he will come out on top.
Also his axe kick (Glaube Feitosa: ‘Brazilian Kick’) was very nice, not many people in the UFC even have that kind of kicking talent, and he is only 22. He will learn a lot, about ring showmanship and technique over the next few years, an exciting prospect to say the least.
Nobody is commenting about any lack of skills pal. If you are ok with his post-fight sportsmanship though, than you have never played a sport.
I really enjoy how some people seem to think they’re tough guys because they condone Cantwell’s behaviour. Like they do the same thing everytime they break a guys arm (which, I have no doubt, you’ve all done many times). I wonder how many of those same people have ever trained or competed in combat sports… And why many of them also comment that Americans are too sensitive, as though Steve Cantwell was dually snapping an arm and snapping us out of our liberal zombification. Thanks d00dz!! I’m cured!
I don't think I'm a "tough guy"...
but I seriously don’t have a huge problem with Cantwell’s behavior. I’m also a pretty hardcore liberal (subscription to The Nation and all that) so I don’t think it is because I’m worried about the pussification of America or anything. I also have some (admittedly limited) combat sports training.
So maybe this is more a “to each his own” kind of situation. I’ve also yet to hear Hassan complain about it…and I would think he’s the one with a true dog in this fight.
Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 12, 2008 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
Not talking to you, Brent
Because you didn’t make any of the assertions I detailed. There are a select few that are telling everyone who believe Cantwell exhibited poor judgment to stop being babies, and are making worldly proclamations about how sensitive our culture is. I don’t need anyone to tell me to toughen up or start discussing the nature of Americans as a people. It’s just a little silly..
Also, Hassan is clearly very stubborn. I don’t think anyone is willing to argue that point. Hahaha
Oh i think It’s VERY clear that anyone that is fine with his post-fight behavior have never been in a real fight in their entire lives.
Soooo...
myself and Luke have never been in real fights in our life? I think it’s best in a discussion such as this to make such black and white statements.
Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 13, 2008 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
*sigh*
*to NOT make such black and white statements.
Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 13, 2008 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
So, you would be ok with a guy celebrating your broken arm and then pointing out on the replay with glee how cool it looks?
Right.
I don't think...
…I’d be any more upset than a guy celebrating the fact that he just caused major brain trauma if he were to knock me out. Would I be thrilled? Probably not…but I would also generally be pissed that I lost. If I made the CHOICE to not tap and suffered a broken arm as a result…that’s on me.
Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 13, 2008 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Brain damage is THE most dangerous and long term consequence of any combat sport
And yet, almost every fighter looks specifically for a knockout. We brag about, “he got knocked the f… out!”, or “I’m gonna put him to sleep!”, we still LOVE the Quinton/Arona fight and we’ll show it to anyone who will watch, and we consider that one of the pinnacle moments of our sport. Remember Goodridge in the Crucifix with the elbows? And we applauded Koscheck for hits awesome K.O. last night, even though the second punch was unneccessary, or at the very least, didn’t need to be FULL force….But would we have it any other way?
I also feel that his actions and comments were low class, but that only makes me question my own hypocracies, my own double standards.
Why is it o.k. to brag and cheer about rendering another man unconcious, and potentially ruining the rest of his life, but it’s not o.k to brag and cheer about snapping his limb?
Any thoughts?
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Dec 12, 2008 10:11 PM EST reply actions
Well...first of all...
The second punch from Kos was not unnecessary, nor should it not have been full force. In the heat of a fight you stay on the guy until you’re stopped. It’s not like he was out, there was a long pause and then another shot. He landed, the guy was still standing so he fired again. I don’t think there was the slightest thing done wrong in this situation.
As for the difference between this and KO’s? Well…I think it goes down to the fact that we see KO’s often, but broken limbs are rare. And with rarity comes more extreme reactions.
Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 12, 2008 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
Agree 100%
The second punch from Kos was not unnecessary, nor should it not have been full force. In the heat of a fight you stay on the guy until you’re stopped. It’s not like he was out, there was a long pause and then another shot. He landed, the guy was still standing so he fired again. I don’t think there was the slightest thing done wrong in this situation.
"It's like a flying knuckle sandwich." --Rogan
"And many men have eaten it." -- Goldy
by thetakeover on Dec 12, 2008 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, but you misunderstand me
I completely agree that there was nothing wrong with Koscheck’s performance, but you did touch on my point that, in the heat of the fight, you do what you’re there to do, knock someone out, choke someone out, or crack a limb if neccesary.
And I think i will side with you as to the explanation that the rarity of it is causing this reaction, and that is my point. We need to re-evaluate our views on violence,sportsmanship and celebrations in our sport, and address our double standards.
What would we say to a competitor who has never knoocked someone out, then scoring his first K.O. in the UFC, was interviewed and said, “I’ve always wanted to do that”?
And Brent, watch the fight again. Had there not been a fence to break Yoshida’s fall. he would have fallen, and, had class, respect, or good sportsmanship been on Koscheck’s mind, his second shot COULD have been thrown with less force and still ended the fight.
But thats not what we do!
You don’t tap, I break it!
You don’t fall, I make you fall!
We are fooling ourselves if we think that when the camera’s are off that these guy’s aren’t having fun when at their respective camps reliving “that time I broke some guy’s arm when he wouldn’t tap”, or “that time I slammed that dude onto his head”.
Most E.M.T.s, nurses, police officers, morticians and doctors have a dark sense of humor.
So do most M.M.Artists. It’s a neccesary mechanism that allows them to operate in dangerous, fear-inducing, high risk situations. And it is every professional M.M.Artist’s JOB to inflict physical and mental damage upon your opponent.
Most of our “heroes” or “idols” would relish the feeling of power that comes from INTENTIONALLY breaking another man’s bone, whether in public or in private, because that’s what they train to do.
People, a broken bone is better than a broken head.
I feel as though I have some insight, considering i’m nursing a broken foot right now, aquired during heavy sparring.
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Dec 12, 2008 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
What do you think about....
B.J.‘s blood licking?
Tito’s gravedigging?
Or the countless other descriptive taunts used in MMA?
The knife across the throat gesture?
The two hands laid together across the side of the face to symbolize putting someone to sleep?
Where is the line, and who of us thinks that they get to draw that line for the rest of us?
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Dec 13, 2008 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
It isn’t the act of getting the KO, the choke or even the destruction of a limb. Anyone who trains knows this is a possibility, ESPECIALLY the guys at the UFC level. It is their choice to do what they do and enter the cage. Just like a NFL player knows he could have a bad injury or even paralysis.
What we are disturbed about, is the disrespectful manner in which Cantwell celebrated while a guys arm was pretty badly injured across the cage. Not even so much as a “he was a tough guy” or “thanks to my opponent for taking the fight with me”. Just totally classless. Could you imagine an NFL player dancing around and making motions and yelling “I smashed him”, as a player lay seriously injured at his feet? There would be a huge uproar,a penalty and in today’s NFL, likely a suspension. Now I’m not saying this is what should happen to Cantwell, just that he is a classless jerk.
Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.
http://eliotmarshall.com/
I always thought this clip was brutal
Fight should have been ended WAAAAAAAY earlier. The dark ages of the sport.
"It's like a flying knuckle sandwich." --Rogan
"And many men have eaten it." -- Goldy
by thetakeover on Dec 12, 2008 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
Myth, the image you posted is frozen and grainy, but I can tell what it is...and yup, dat guy.
But please tell me you’re putting together a GIF…that would be sweet.
I haven’t seen that in a while!
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Dec 12, 2008 10:50 PM EST reply actions
Takeover, I agree
But from what I remember, the ref didn’t really understand what was happening til it was too late. It’s been a while since I’ve seen it though, so I could be wrong.
But none of us will ever forget it, and none of us would refuse to watch it again. And we relive it with sentimentality.
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Dec 13, 2008 12:01 AM EST reply actions
WAR CANTWELL
He has probably trained thousands of hours of BJJ and worked a ton to get to the point to be able to put big dudes in armbars. Who wouldn’t want to finish it just once?
That is a great point. We also need to remember that if you don’t commit to any submission, it just won’t work. What do you get when you don’t commit to a submission? A Failed submission.
Once again, you miss the ENTIRE point of all of this. The ENTIRE point. Nobody is upset that he almost broke his arm or that he kept the armbar in even when it was obvious the dude was not going to tap and he would have to break his arm. That;’s not the point.
It was his classless celebration and obnoxious comments post-fight. Are you on the same page here..at all?
McFly?
by lbk on Dec 13, 2008 10:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What do you think about….
B.J.‘s blood licking?
Tito’s gravedigging?
Or the countless other descriptive taunts used in MMA?
The knife across the throat gesture?
The two hands laid together across the side of the face to symbolize putting someone to sleep?
Where is the line, and who of us thinks that they get to draw that line for the rest of us?
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Dec 13, 2008 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
Huge BJ fan…can’t stand the licking. Still not as classless as Cantwell.
Don’t like Tito’s gravedigging. Still not as classless as Cantwell.
Don;t like taunts, especially when the opponent lays injured in the cage.
Wouldn’t like the knife slash if it was OJ that did it. What i mean is, if a fighter actually slashed the throat and then did that, like Cantwell making broken arm motions while his opponent had a serious arm injury.
You know, i could live with many of the things you describe, if in the interview afterward, the fighter acted with some class, sportsmanship and respect for their opponent. Adrenaline definitely flows and guys do things in celebration that they may realize later, crossed the line. Cantwell crossed that line, then proved what a jerk he is with his comments.
Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.
http://eliotmarshall.com/
What about
The way Mir talks about breaking Sylvia’s arm. I’m surprised that no one has mentioned that. Aside from a bad showing over the course of an ENTIRE season of a reality show Mir has been nothing but class, as well as very well spoken and uber intelligent about the entire world of fighting.
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
MMA Rankings
Certain photos copyright © 2012 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
