Frank Mir Discusses Embarassing TUF 8 Behavior

Josh Gross gets Frank Mir to admit what an embarassment the behavior was this past season:
The message "as long as they act like a moron, an idiot, that they get to have [television] time and face time equals money," didn't get lost on Mir.
"They don't need to put time into fighting," said the heavyweight, who picked Browning, a lightweight, to represent his team, but pulled no punches in wishing he hadn't. "I hear more people talking about Junie Browning than Phillipe Nover and Efrain Escudero," the two lightweights in the hunt for the UFC contract. "That's an insult to those two fighters."
Nover, who UFC President Dana White believes could be the next Georges St. Pierre, and Escudero, an undefeated prospect out of Arizona, join light heavyweights Ryan Bader and Vinicius "Vinny" Magalhaes in the race for the reality show's prize (Saturday, 9 p.m. ET, Spike TV).
Their talents, however, haven't tempered discussion of Browning's alcohol-fueled actions -- starting fights with nearly everyone in the house; throwing a cup that shattered and cut another fighter; having to be restrained by Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (Mir's counterpart this season) after jumping the Octagon fence following a fight he didn't have a hand in; and continually disrespecting anyone within earshot with language that would make White blush -- or the decision by producers to make him a focal point of the show.
"I think it sent a bad message," Mir said. "I hope it gets interpreted the right way. Fighters aren't allowed to act this way."
Well, most fighters. Mir felt so strongly that Browning was the antithesis of "mixed martial artist" that he prevented his 16-year-old son from watching the season's final two episodes.
"This is not what you want to be," Mir, pointing to Browning, said to his boy. "This is the exact opposite of what you want to strive for and be as a man."
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"I realize that Spike has to sell TV time, and I understand that's part of the whole game, but as far as me as a martial artist I find it an insult," said Mir, who fights Nogueira on Dec. 27 for the UFC interim heavyweight title and a chance to meet Brock Lesnar in 2009.
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"I guess those things aren't interesting for television to other people," he said. "But seeing a bunch of guys do crazy things back and forth is interesting, and I knew that. This is more than just a fight, it's also about television ratings."
I disagree with Mir that there is an inevitability to it all. There is an enormous universe of interesting content between watching fighters train and watching them ingest one another's bodily fluids. It's nothing more than a poverty of imagination and reliance on the lowest common denominator that prevents Spike's producers from delivering that sort of content. Hopefully some of the pushback from this season will scale back the boorish nonsense we were subjected to this time around.
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Well the Editor-in-Chief beat me to the punch.
Here’s something I wrote if anyone is interested:
The monetary value of celebrity in American society is without question. The Junie Browning situation is just one example of an individual grasping some level of stardom through unsavory means. He’s not famous for his skill as a fighter, but for being a volatile individual who put the well-being of his counterparts in peril numerous times while simultaneously doing some amount of harm to the sport in which he competes.
It’s my hope that Browning cleans up his act. Mir is correct in noting how absurd it is for a bad actor like Browning to overshadow the accomplishments of those that made it to the TUF 8 finals. The most worrisome aspect of this whole situation is that the UFC and Spike producers allowed Browning to continue on the show after he acted out numerous times. Maybe, 2009 will mark a change in The Ultimate Fighter recipe that encourages responsible behavior over shock value. One can only hope.
by Cannon Jacques on Dec 12, 2008 1:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Between this and the Mir interview I posted a while back, I like the guy more and more. No offense to the guy, but I always thought of him as a cocky asskisser (anything you say, Mr. Dana, I’m your company man!) but either I was very wrong, or he is coming around. Sticking up for the fighters over UFC/Spike, I am happy to see him do this.
He is making it harder for me to root against him when he fights Nog.
by mythbuster on Dec 12, 2008 2:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I’m getting to be a bigger and bigger fan of Mir based on these interviews. I never really liked his commentary work for the WEC, I understand why he did it…but too often he would come across as if he knew exactly what was going to happen only to see the opposite fighter come out on top.
Regardless, I think that regardless of the attention that Junie has garnered for himself at this point, if he doesn’t win this next fight it will all be for naught. A loss and he is just another mouthy jerk without the skills to back it up.
by Razreshat on Dec 12, 2008 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like his commentary. Mir’s got know how and does good commentary.
I like Rogan too, but its a running joke at my house that every time Joe says something is about to happen, the opposite happens.
by Kid Nate on Dec 12, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If he starts saying ‘Goldberg is about to make us all dumber’, the joke is ruined.
by subo on Dec 12, 2008 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you to a degree.
I’m no big fan of reality television (in general, not just this particular one), and have certainly heard of some shocking (and at times downright disgusting) premises for these shows. But for every 5 shows that find new ways to scrape the barrel, there’s a genuinely good idea that is executed well. A show like the Amazing Race, is engaging, interesting and shows it’s participants in a great light. Big Brother was originally a social experiment, whereas now the producers of the show will go out of their way to make an ‘unrealistic’ environment with less normal, more newsworthy people. And I daresay something like that is at play here with the show – although in a much more limited capacity due to the nature of the shows principal theme).
I personally think that you have a situation where Spike execs are looking at how best to milk a reality show about MMA, rather than an MMA reality show, and as such are not allowing the positive side of the sport to sell itself. But then again, it is still a niche sport. It may not have the power to sell itself.
by -Sam on Dec 12, 2008 2:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Whether or not Mir has a fatalistic viewpoint of TV ratings and production tactics, he’s saying the right things about cleaning up the show, portraying better images of mixed martial artists, and redirecting the attention to the finalists.
by dmayeda on Dec 12, 2008 2:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That seems pretty pointless
If you do that then wouldn’t there be a chance viewers would tune in to follow the tournament (like I did years ago) instead of semen sushi?
Where would that leave us? With a show that builds to an action-packed climax instead of random nonsense that goes nowhere and makes the sport look like a bunch of drunken brawlers.
Not a single one of my hardcore or casual friends watch this show anymore.
by asa on Dec 18, 2008 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing that will change next year is a fighter will be chanting “USA USA USA!” as he drops a deuce on someone’s pillow.
Being on the internet gives me a right...nay a responsibility to bitch about things
by beery_pbr on Dec 12, 2008 2:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
There is no better training for real life then ingesting someone’s bodily fluids.
by The_Vig on Dec 12, 2008 2:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
16- y/o son eh?
“….he prevented his 16-year-old son from watching the season’s final two episodes.”
Frank Mir is 29………………….how the fuck does he have a 16 y/o son?
He was a daddy at 13? I think not!
I'm from Canada, and they think I'm slow eh!
by Simboy on Dec 12, 2008 2:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
With hair like that, all things are made possible.
by Rundownloser on Dec 12, 2008 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
His wife’s kid from a previous relationship.
"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007
by lovingmma25 on Dec 12, 2008 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhhh your right, thanks!
I'm from Canada, and they think I'm slow eh!
by Simboy on Dec 12, 2008 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that gave me a headache, lol.
Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.
http://eliotmarshall.com/
by BJJDenver on Dec 12, 2008 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Would it be incorrect to say that Browning (and his antics) was a big factor in this show maintaining its ratings? It seems like he may have even been the principle draw for the show Given this, how can the UFC realistically change up the formula and keep them ratings?
Essentially, what new elements can the UFC introduce to keep the show fresh, its ratings (namely the ratings among the 18-24 demographic), and please folks who hate all that Browning has come to symbolize?
by Rundownloser on Dec 12, 2008 3:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t have the numbers, but i don’t remember anywhere that it was written about TUF8 having great ratings or significantly higher than TUF7 or anything to the effect that Junie had a big impact ratings wise.
imo, people that watch TUF would have watched with or without Junie for the most part.
Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.
http://eliotmarshall.com/
by BJJDenver on Dec 12, 2008 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well it seemed like the second or third week they had really bad numbers. Then Browning gets his crazy on and the ratings climb back up to normal. I take that to mean that Browning was at least one of the things that buoyed the show.
by Rundownloser on Dec 12, 2008 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You may be correct, but I don;t think there was a significant difference in the ratings. i may well be wrong…
Eliot Marshall: Bader won. Like I said in the episode, I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my job to be able to deal with when somebody's doing that. It's not his job to change up his tactics.
http://eliotmarshall.com/
by BJJDenver on Dec 12, 2008 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever garbage they can create to make the casual fans dish out money to keep the sport alive is fine with me, I don’t have to watch it if I don’t want to.
I do however feel bad that Mir had to go through that ordeal just to get a shot at the belt, when Lesnar just had to beat Herring. Even Nog had to fight Sylvia for the belt, just to fight Mir to fight for the belt again, insanity I say.
by DirtyML on Dec 12, 2008 4:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If you keep feeding the kids cotton candy, they’ll keep eating cotton candy until they’re sick of it, then you can feed them popsicles. Eventually they’ll fall off.
They could make this show nutritious if they wanted to, but it would require a little more thought and care. It’s way easier to get the kids drunk and then chase them around as they ham it up for the cameras.
by Dooda on Dec 12, 2008 6:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
"Poverty of imagination"....
Well said!
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Dec 12, 2008 9:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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