Laundry List of Injuries From "Fight For the Troops"
by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 11, 2008 10:36 AM EST
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Sportsline.com has the rundown of the injuries from last night's action starting with the word on Corey Hill:
Once the fight was stopped, officials rushed into the ring to attend to Hill. The show was delayed for approximately 20-25 minutes while medical personnel placed Hill's leg in an immobilizer, administered a pain-killing injection on the spot, and placed him on a stretcher.
Afterward, CBSSports.com overheard a medical official with the North Carolina Boxing Commission indicate that Hill had suffered a broken tibia and that he was scheduled to undergo emergency surgery. It is believed that Hill's recovery could take between 12-18 months.
Razak Al-Hassan:
While Al-Hassan was walking past media row on his way to the backstage area, a large mass could be seen near his elbow on his right arm. The mass appeared to be the size of a softball. An immediate diagnosis was not available, but it's possible that Al-Hassan had suffered a broken arm and that the mass was possibly tendon that had dislodged from bone and rolled up into his arm.
Jonathan Goulet:
It was also a very rough night for Goulet, who was TKO'd during the night's co-main event against Mike Swick just 33 seconds into the fight. According to the French Canadian's agent, Ken Pavia, a visibly shaken Goulet was taken to the hospital immediately after the contest in order to undergo a brain scan.
Additionally, Pavia indicated that Goulet possibly suffered an MCL tear during the fight and that doctors will not be able to formally diagnose the injury until swelling in the damaged region begins to subside next week.
And Yoshiyuki Yoshida:
Yoshiyuki Yoshida -- knocked out by Josh Koscheck during the night's main event -- also required medical attention. Yoshida could be seen laying on the canvas motionless after falling to the mat face first following a big right hand delivered by Koscheck. An update on Yoshida's condition was not immediately available.
The UFC did have an update on their site that Yoshida had been released from the hospital after being diagnosed as having a concussion. Good to hear that it was nothing more serious than that.
It is a tough day to argue against the percieved brutality of our sport with everything that went down last night and all we can do is send out our best wishes to all the fighters for a speedy recovery.
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That was a weird night
as far as serious injuries go. At least this is not the norm for our sport and I wish all of those guys a full and speedy recovery.
by dnevil001 on Dec 11, 2008 10:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yoshida-
he could actually be listed twice as it seemed he was knocked twice with consecutive punches.
by dnevil001 on Dec 11, 2008 10:43 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I forgot to list him...
but aside from just taking a beating it sounds like he lost vision briefly from catch a toe in the eye from a kick.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 11, 2008 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
once they remove that freaking baseball from his forehead! That guy took a beating & to his credit he did not quit, he stayed in there & at least was game
by dnevil001 on Dec 11, 2008 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was just gonna say..
He may be “alright” but I don’t think he made the after party with that lump the size of Texas on his entire forehead…
by ANance on Dec 11, 2008 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol...only because he couldn't escape the clinch...
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
by Warhand on Dec 11, 2008 11:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The UFC gained some fans last night for sure. Unfortunately, there may have been an equal amount or more who was turned off by it. It’s unfortunate, but guys like Koscheck proves that elite athletes can cause massive amount of damage in very little time.
Koscheck has impressed me tremendously. The guy is like night and day from his TUF days. Actually, last night all the TUF’ers prove that most of them are talented. The show churns out great fighters after great fighters.
by cyph on Dec 11, 2008 10:47 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Brutal brutal night.
If Wanderlai had been fighting he may have killed someone last night..
by lbk on Dec 11, 2008 10:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not likely-
since the UFC tests for steroids. ;-0
by dnevil001 on Dec 11, 2008 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Like how he tested positive for steroids when he demolished Jardine? ;)
by Frank_Castle on Dec 11, 2008 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are we listing Jardine
as a top fighter now? Lets see what happens against Rampage and then we can talk. What about his buddy Shogun? Beast in Pride, not so much in the UFC
by dnevil001 on Dec 11, 2008 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Uhh....yes.
Last I checked Jardine is a top 10 LHW…He has wins over the current champ, Chucky and Vera. And a lot of experts had him favoured to beat Silva going into the fight….nice that you discount him as being a mediocre fighter after he got blown away.
As for Shogun – one “bad” fight that he was (imho) winning for the first half and then gassed out and lost to the current champ…I guess we should right him off. I think I’ll reserve my judgement until I see maybe one or two more fights bro.
by Frank_Castle on Dec 11, 2008 11:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Never said mediocre
the same guy was KTFO’d by Alexander as well, so….
I really do not even care, you can sit there & defend those guys saying they were not juiced in Pride, but all that you have to do is look at their bodies now compared to then & watch their fights. Wand is considerably smaller now & has completely lost that “I will kill you & then murder your entire family look.”
by dnevil001 on Dec 11, 2008 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So he killed Rampage when they were both juicing, and now they’re both not. I’m pretty sure all things being equal the outcome isn’t going to be much different, though I’m sure the rule change will make it interesting. In the meantime, Silva hasn’t been “rampaging” through the streets of L.A. talking to God or attempting to “save people” and had a massive falling out with the new trainer who changed him as a fighter…so I’m quite looking forward to see how this turns out.
by Frank_Castle on Dec 11, 2008 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What does the "killer" look he had have to do...
…with steroids? And please don’t say roid rage…because…just don’t.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 11, 2008 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever you say,
I read Bas Rutten talking about mgmt in Pride actually asking fighters to take them. You can think whatever you want, but if you do not think a guy has a different look in a fight when he is juicing then I am not sure what to tell you. This is just my opinion, how is that, but I do not believe it is coincedence.
by dnevil001 on Dec 11, 2008 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
fwiw, I completely agree that most Pride fighters were juicing. However, I feel most MMA fighters in general juice so whatever. It’s like baseball. You know everyone is doing it so you have to do it as well or you won’t be on even footing.
Anyone that thinks steroid use isn’t widespread in MMA is either clueless or naive.
by lbk on Dec 11, 2008 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They test here in the US. So if they’re not juicing during the fight, then that’s all that matters.
by cyph on Dec 11, 2008 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At this point that’s all you can ask. Eventually you will catch even the “smart ones” who tried to squeeze and extra few days of their cycle in or upped dosages when they shouldn’t have.
by Frank_Castle on Dec 11, 2008 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what? You gain the benefits BEFORE the actual fight, not during it. It doesn’t matter if they are juicing during the fight, it matters if they cycled during the previous training camp to gain those benefits.
by lbk on Dec 11, 2008 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How do you propose they do that? At this point, as imperfect as the testing is it’s better than nothing.
In a perfect world you’d implement random on the spot testing and blood testing for HGH, but no one has done this yet.
by The_Gaijin on Dec 11, 2008 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong..
you can’t cycle off far enough in advance to test clean and retain endurance, mass and strength. It doesn’t work that way. It just doesn’t
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 11, 2008 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not saying he was or wasn’t juicing. But I know guys who do juice and I can tell you that roid rage is by and large considered to be a myth and that there isn’t a different “look in their eyes” or anything of the sort.
I think the “I see the steroid twinkle in his eyes” portion of your argument is by far the weakest point you’re trying to make.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 11, 2008 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If anything, I’d be accusing the Chute Boxe guys of massive EPO abuse. They could go for 25 minutes on a savage rampage and still be breathing through their noses.
by Frank_Castle on Dec 11, 2008 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed,
and what I am saying has nothing to do with Wand beating Rampage or whether or not he could have still beat him or even if Rampage was on anything. I was just talking about the notable difference between these fighters then & now.
by dnevil001 on Dec 11, 2008 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You can absolutely tell
when someone is engaged in physical activity. The roid rage comment was about his berzerko fighting style in Pride that we have yet to see in the UFC. I have several friends who right now are bodybuilders & I can see when we are working out if they are on a cycle right then.
by dnevil001 on Dec 11, 2008 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
His “killer” look is what trips me off to the difference between Pride and the UFC. There is absolutely a difference between his pre-fight stance and post-fight celebration between then and now.
by cyph on Dec 11, 2008 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I heard someone bad-mouthing Wanderlei…I had to step in. lol
by The_Gaijin on Dec 11, 2008 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome, Gaijin. You know, I can’t let a Pride/steroid issue go without chiming in. =)
by cyph on Dec 11, 2008 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Likewise! haha.
I tried to stay away from posting, but (a) being a securities m&a lawyer in this market is getting pretty boring, and (b) I cannot stand the current state of FightOpinion any longer.
I find myself spending way too much (re: the perfect amount) of time checking this site, so I figure I should start posting here instead.
by The_Gaijin on Dec 11, 2008 12:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
would this be the "killer look" you speak of??
I believe you will see this look again after he destroys Rampage for a third time!!
by ANance on Dec 11, 2008 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No matter the outcome
of this fight, we will never see this again. Except for Pride repeats
by dnevil001 on Dec 11, 2008 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Im so excited for this fight...
I could just watch this staredown until the actual fight happens lol
by ANance on Dec 11, 2008 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Although it’s now really had its lustre tarnished, I’ve never seen a better pre-fight staredown than Silva vs. Cro Cop I at PRIDE 20.
Eerily calm, cold-blooded killer (Cro Cop) vs. Raging caged wolverine (Silva).
Someone gif that!
by The_Gaijin on Dec 11, 2008 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Was this after Rampage or Fujita?
by The_Gaijin on Dec 11, 2008 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
im not sure...
but look at the face of the referee, he looks scared to death
by ANance on Dec 11, 2008 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Silva looks “smaller” than he used to be either. He’s just now fighting guys that have cut from 230-240lbs when he cuts from 215. I think we’ve seen that many of the PRIDE fighters did not do a lot of weight cutting, so he was the “bigger” fighter against a lot of guys he faced – including the 185lb Japanese sacrifices.
He’s fighting guys that are physically much bigger than he is, so he looks smaller in comparison.
by Frank_Castle on Dec 11, 2008 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nah, he’s def not as vascular as he was in Pride. So, at best he was only taking diaretics.
by lbk on Dec 11, 2008 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Diaretics?
Doesn`t that make you a shitty fighter?
"They called him the axe-murderer because he was murdering chumps. They should have been calling him the chump-murderer..." Rampage Jackson (commentating on the fighting abilities of Wanderlei "F#ck Chuck" Silva.)
by BlueberryMuffin on Dec 12, 2008 7:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve still yet to find out exactly where I “defended them saying they were not juiced in PRIDE”. I didn’t say that once, but he’s never tested positive under any AC testing.
But I’m glad to see you’re agenda here.
by Frank_Castle on Dec 11, 2008 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agenda?
I could not care less about who actually wins this fight.
by dnevil001 on Dec 11, 2008 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not the one that went on some diatribe about “killer looks” and “defending the juiced PRIDE guys”, when all someone said was – “he didn’t test positive when he smoked Jardine”, not to mention it looked like he had a “killer look” then.
by Frank_Castle on Dec 11, 2008 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And...
I think we’ve already seen what happens against Rampage.
Or I guess we’ll go under the assumption that in PRIDE everyone cheated, unless it’s not convenient for our arguments and then certain fighters inexplicably didn’t cheat, like Rampage.
by Frank_Castle on Dec 11, 2008 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt...
I feel sorry for Rampage…
by ANance on Dec 11, 2008 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i’m glad the corey hill fight wasn’t on the main card. as much as everyone on here knows it was a freak accident, it seems like the kind of clip that could snowball into a “tell tale sign” for the sports detractors.
by woooburn on Dec 11, 2008 10:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Corey Hill
fight is on the UFC web site for free.
by tylerdurden1 on Dec 11, 2008 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Brent
Do you think Brandon Wolff or Hasim Rahman had the bigger hematoma?
by Brett Jones on Dec 11, 2008 11:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Rahman.
But this was pretty close.
by Frank_Castle on Dec 11, 2008 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah...
Rahman’s was much worse. Not to say Wolff’s was good…just saying Rahman’s was pretty much the worst I’ve ever seen as far as swelling.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 11, 2008 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s what I had said immediately after seeing Wolff’s, but it’s been a few years so I figured I could have been remembering it a little bigger than it actually was.
by Brett Jones on Dec 11, 2008 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
/elephant man'd
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 11, 2008 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love the way the dude on the right (last pic) looks like he’s analyzing the bump.
by Tonley on Dec 11, 2008 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Have no pictures of it, but watch Lebanner/Abidi. Lebanner was swelling...
"They called him the axe-murderer because he was murdering chumps. They should have been calling him the chump-murderer..." Rampage Jackson (commentating on the fighting abilities of Wanderlei "F#ck Chuck" Silva.)
by BlueberryMuffin on Dec 12, 2008 7:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Yoshida went down on his back, vs. “facedown.”?
by Kierkegaard on Dec 11, 2008 11:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
huh...
didn’t catch that myself.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 11, 2008 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
point is he didn’t go down soon enough….lol
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
by Warhand on Dec 11, 2008 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good catch. He definitely fell board stiff on his back.
by Frank_Castle on Dec 11, 2008 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
you know dude is out when all of the muscles in his body are flexing like that! It was almost like he was frozen, you could see his eyes when that second punch was coming right at his face, he was like oh shit!!!
by dnevil001 on Dec 11, 2008 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The big thing for me was that “reflexive” huge gasp he made after the first punch.
by Frank_Castle on Dec 11, 2008 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Corey hill leg break video on UFC.com
For some morbid reason, the UFC has posted the video of the Corey Hill fight (and tibia snap) for free on the main page of ufc.com
Watch at your own discretion, and revel in Joe Rogan screaming “STOP THE FIGHT!” about 10 times right when it happens.
by Scott Haber on Dec 11, 2008 11:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
that has been posted on the front page for the past few hours
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 11, 2008 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still don’t want to watch the video, but I do kind of want to hear Joe Rogan go nuts.
by Brett Jones on Dec 11, 2008 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It is kind of nerve racking
watching him do multiple kicks that get checked since we know the outcome already. I kept watching him kick & saying oh shit here it is.
by dnevil001 on Dec 11, 2008 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, just further cements my desire to never see the fight.
by Brett Jones on Dec 11, 2008 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s three times I’ve seen that injury now. This time not on a grainy you-tube video, it did not make it any easier.
by The_Gaijin on Dec 11, 2008 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
THat’s exactly it. I was flinching every time he kicked, and then when it happened, I nearly fell out of my chair. FUCK THAT NOISE.
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by AJB on Dec 11, 2008 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know man,
it took a while to happen so every time he kicked my anxiousness built up
by dnevil001 on Dec 11, 2008 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Goulet needs to retire.
That guy has the worst chin in the game.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Dec 11, 2008 11:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Seriously. When people are calling a quick KO by a guy who hasn’t won by KO in three years, and it ends up taking 33 seconds, its time to rethink.
by Michaelthebox on Dec 11, 2008 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In all fairness, he caught him with a clean, sneaky and STIFF right hand there. Then followed it up with bunches of punches to the chin. But his chin is porcelain at this juncture.
by The_Gaijin on Dec 11, 2008 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The UFC posted the Corey Hil fight on their homepage.
by Dropkick434 on Dec 11, 2008 12:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
whoops someone else already mentioned that, sorry.
by Dropkick434 on Dec 11, 2008 12:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I had the same injury as
Cory Hill. It took me over 2 years to fully recover, and I have permanent hardware in my leg. He is officially retired, even if he doesn’t know it yet. its a shame, it is a crummy injury. He is in for a lot of painful nights and life long arthritis.
by Nick Travaglini on Dec 11, 2008 12:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it does not look good for his future.
But some football players did make it back, although they were never the same player they once were. My friend broke his tib & fib two years ago & still limps & says it hurts quite often.
by dnevil001 on Dec 11, 2008 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the real problem is that he was already old and inexperienced coming in. Having to come back after a major injury, with a year or two of little to no training. . . doesn’t bode well at all, especially with how quickly the sport is changing.
by Michaelthebox on Dec 11, 2008 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely an odd night. But exciting as always.
by pud333 on Dec 11, 2008 12:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Hill break is horrible.
Just watched, everyone was screaming at the ref. to stop the fight. I feel really bad for Hill.
by IHateMMA on Dec 11, 2008 12:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, even Rogan was screaming to have the fight stopped. I couldn’t believe what I was seeing. Hopefully Hill recovers well and can rebound from this.
by pud333 on Dec 11, 2008 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Next year the show will be called “fight for the fighters”…
A rehabilitation center is already in the works for MMA fighters… DONATE TODAY!
Help the fighters with post fighting syndrome…
Unfortunately the cynics are gonna have a field day with this…
by mmalogic on Dec 11, 2008 1:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This is why...
we need to be careful and not get carried away with the defense of our sport. MMA IS brutal. There is a fairly high risk of injury in all contact sports. When we go overboard trying to make it sound like there is no risk of serious injury in our sport (which I hear too often) we leave ourselves open when something like this happens.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 11, 2008 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno. The fire and uproar over the carnage last night has really obscured a basic point: the totality of the carnage would up being essentially a broken arm, a broken leg, and an overnight stay from a concussion. That, for the most injury-riddled single card I think the UFC has ever had.
I mean, how brutal is the sport actually, when the online media is having an absolute cow over an injury toll that wouldn’t look out of place in a professional football game?
by Michaelthebox on Dec 11, 2008 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also...
The Hill leg break was DISGUSTING but it was also a freak accident. It could have happened in practice. Guys do that same maneuver dozens, even hundreds, of times and when it happens, no one is EVER expecting it.
I was at a football game once, and watched the backup QB on a scramble have his leg snapped in about five places and his foot turned around backwards. It was just a fluke, and I’ve never seen anything like it again. No reasonably intelligent person should make the connection between hideous injuries like this and the sport itself.
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by AJB on Dec 11, 2008 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
but the truth is guys can (and do) die and get paralyzed playing football all the time. But football is an accepted activity…there are very few people actively LOOKING for reasons to rally against it. MMA on the other hand…
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 11, 2008 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Which is why I feel its counterproductive to wail about how bad the injuries are and how bad it looked.
It makes more sense to acknowledge up front that it looked gruesome, but in reality the injury toll was nothing too appalling.
by Michaelthebox on Dec 11, 2008 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The injuries in the sport are not a problem per se…
However from a cynical point of view it is kind of ironic to put on a charity event where people get injured to help those who got injured…
Expect future charity events to be less “ironic”.
Do i expect the mainstream to jump all over this… no – but it shouldn’t happen again.
And its not just the broken arm (no one saw the broken leg) – Its talking about brain damage the whole show and how bad it is and then 1 guy looks like he’s having a siezure (goulet) and the other looks like he died in the cage.
So the average viewers is like…. “hm” these guys look like their getting brain damage so they can help other guys who have brain damage – something is off here.
It was like a fucking monty python script – lol
by mmalogic on Dec 11, 2008 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So the average viewers is like…. "hm" these guys look like their getting brain damage so they can help other guys who have brain damage – something is off here.
They just wanted to show examples. “Oh, so we’re trying to help guys who have had THAT happen to them. That makes sense, I’ll donate money!”
by Michaelthebox on Dec 11, 2008 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In no way do I disagree. My point is more of a response or rejoinder to people who would seize on that sort of thing to talk about the brutality of the sport.
You’re right: it’s a violent, combat sport. But the point is, that it is controlled violence and limited, mediated combat. Half the stuff that results in injuries on a football field happens in the “uncontrolled” part of the game: illegal hits to the knees, blindside hits at full speed, etc. Freak injuries, though, can and do happen all the time, to anyone, in any sport. Hell, crossing the street, even.
To me, the only “victims” of serious “brutality” on the night (the quotations are because I’m trying to imagine how an opponent of MMA might phrase the argument) were Yoshida, Goulet, and Kneeface. Of those, the two knockouts were not necessarily worse than Gonzaga’s KO and the UPPERCUT FROM HELL on the last UFC ppv, and the general opinion on those was “Damn, wicked KOs!” I think that people are seeing things in a difference context here because of A) Hill’s FREAK injury, and B) Hassan’s refusal to tap (and I, like many others, blame Hassan for that even if Cantwell was a dick afterwards); I’d like to think that once we’ve got some distance from the event, the KOs won’t seem that big of a deal – they do happen in this sport, afterall.
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by AJB on Dec 11, 2008 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Deadspin
just posted an entry on the Hill fight.
by dnevil001 on Dec 11, 2008 1:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
well
The broken arm wouldve never happened if he wouldve just tapped…every gets caught, it happens to me everday…just tap out and try again next time.
by ANance on Dec 11, 2008 2:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
I could not believe he did not tap. Cantwell stating he has been waiting to break someone’s arm is not exactly the most PC thing to say after doing it either.
by dnevil001 on Dec 11, 2008 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I chalk a lot of that up to him be just 22.
by Brett Jones on Dec 11, 2008 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure what that means. 22 isn’t a teenager anymore.
by mythbuster on Dec 11, 2008 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Get em Myth!
lol, you must have been sleeping all day because I have not seen you on here
by dnevil001 on Dec 11, 2008 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
22 is still rather young for a fighter to be on the UFC stage. Additionally, turning 20 doesn’t automatically qualify one as mature.
I hope that helps!
by Brett Jones on Dec 11, 2008 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really. At 22 people generally have, or are working on, their career, with a spouse and maybe a child. 22 is a bit late to be playing the “he’s just a kid” card. If a 22 year old came by and broke your cars window for fun, would you demand he pay for it, or say “well, he’s only 22…”? I think the former.
by mythbuster on Dec 11, 2008 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At 22 people generally have, or are working on, their career, with a spouse and maybe a child.
This is true. Wait a second, we’re not in 1950 anymore, are we?
From the US Census Bureau:
The estimated median age at first marriage (MAFM) in the United States for 2000-2003 was 27 and 25 years old for men and women respectively.
22 is still extremely young, especially with the increased demands we place on people to get ahead.
by Michaelthebox on Dec 11, 2008 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Myth here.
22 is young, but it’s not extremely young. 18 is a legal adult, can vote, and are responsible for their actions. The fact that many 22 year old are immature does not make a case for us giving them a pass. A 22 year old is an adult and should act in a mature adult-like manner.
by cyph on Dec 11, 2008 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bottom Line is that Cantwell showed he is a total Dickhead. The arm break was not what people are pissed about.
It’s that after the ref stopped the fight. Cantwell gets up and does a breaking motion, while yelling at the camera that he “broke that shit”.
Then for good measure he walks back over to Hassan and talks shit about “breaking that shit”
Then he braggs about it to Joe Rogan in the post fight interview.
22 or not. A douche is a douche.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
by aaronb on Dec 11, 2008 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
See, now we’re really getting into legal boundaries which don’t have any innate value anymore. 18 is simply a number where people agreed that we have to give individuals the right to decide for themselves. It has no bearing on how mature a person actually is, or for that matter what really defines maturity.
In Cantwell’s case, yes, he acted fairly douchy. He also trains his ass off and has reached a level of his profession at an age where most people in almost any profession are entry-level or still in college.
Which is the greater sign of maturity?
I don’t condone what Cantwell did. But lets not pretend that the guy is at a state in his life where he isn’t still prone to bouts of idiocy. 22 year olds can still be frickin idiots, regardless of background or overall maturity level.
by Michaelthebox on Dec 11, 2008 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well Said,
I have a feeling that a few people have already told him today that he came across like a douch.
We will see if he learns from this and acts a with a little more humility next time?
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
by aaronb on Dec 11, 2008 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is really getting far off topic, but
18 wasn’t a number retrieved from a random shot on a dartboard. It’s intended to be the age when, post puberty, a young person is expected to start acting like an adult and taking on the responsibilities of one.
The stark contrast last night alone – how many of the troops in Iraq and Afghanastan are 22 or younger?
I think 18 is a fair time to start requiring people to take responsibility for their own actions.
That said, I never said he was immature – I said what he did was douchy. Brett Jones was the one who gave him the “he’s still young” pass. My point is that, at 22, he did what he did and he gets the results (good or bad).
by mythbuster on Dec 11, 2008 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
18 wasn’t a number retrieved from a random shot on a dartboard. It’s intended to be the age when, post puberty, a young person is expected to start acting like an adult and taking on the responsibilities of one.
Then why is the drinking age 21?
Theres nothing special about 18, its an arbitrary point, simply because we need an arbitrary point at which to apply the law, because its impossible to apply the law on a case-by-case basis. The culture changed to adapt to that, that because 18 is the age of emancipation, that people should be mature and grown up by then. But that isn’t the case at all, and in fact the ages at which average people reach various types of maturity have moved back significantly over the years since that age of 18 was agreed upon.
The stark contrast last night alone – how many of the troops in Iraq and Afghanastan are 22 or younger?
A lot of them. Anybody remember those pictures of the partying, piglike soldiers having fun with the naked Iraqis?
Being a soldier doesn’t instantly make you mature, just as passing the age of 18 doesn’t make you mature. It only means there should be a reasonable expectation of some degree of maturity.
Cantwell didn’t drink until he threw up and passed out. He didn’t get a chick pregnant on a one-night stand. He didn’t break any windows for fun, he didn’t punch a dude in the face in a bar, and he didn’t crash his car in a street race. He just said some stupid shit while celebrating his first career win on the main card of the biggest venue for his chosen profession. It shouldn’t be condoned, but it should at least be understood. Dude is young.
by Michaelthebox on Dec 11, 2008 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Then why is the drinking age 21?
You can also ask why so many countries don’t have the 21 drinking age, and they have no problems at all. But since I have no desire to get into social, cultural, etc. debate with you, you can find the information yourself on the google. That is, unless you feel like continuing to argue for the sake of arguing.
A lot of them. Anybody remember those pictures of the partying, piglike soldiers having fun with the naked Iraqis?
No, but I do remember troops torturing people, and troops saving peoples lives, and troops doing many things. Anecdotal evidence fails. Soldiers are people. Some are dipshits, some are heros. But they are all 18 or older and responsible for their actions. You trying to argue otherwise is getting sillier and sillier.
Here’s the funny part – you actually agree with me, but since you have some mental block against admitting it, you continue to argue nonsense. Here’s what it comes down to:
He just said some stupid shit
If you disagree with that (which you said), then feel free to argue with yourself because that’s my opinion as well. If you believe that children are children until they are 19, 29, 39, whatever – that’s up to you and frankly I don’t care.
by mythbuster on Dec 11, 2008 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Alternately, you can whine like a bitch about it. Wait a second, you already are.
You don’t want to argue the points, don’t play like you’re being the big person. Just shut up and move on.
by Michaelthebox on Dec 12, 2008 3:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You win, princess.
Even tho you agree with me and argue two sides of a point, you win.
Now…
by mythbuster on Dec 12, 2008 10:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yoshida could be seen laying on the canvas motionless after falling to the mat face first following a big right hand delivered by Koscheck. An update on Yoshida’s condition was not immediately available.
Yoshida fell flat on his back not face first to the mat.
by Wookalarman on Dec 11, 2008 2:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
covered above...
It’s from the sportsline article though…and I am not editing their writing. But yes…he did fall on his back.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 11, 2008 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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