Quote of the Day: ESPN Airs Content That Is Going Under?
"League officials are announcing that the 2009 [Arena Football League] season will be suspended. ESPN tried so hard to cram this junior version of pro FB down our throats over the last few years. And now its toast.
Do you think they would've had the same results if they had gone with MMA?
Do you think the failure of the AFL will create an opportunity for MMA? Or will they fill that program inventory with fishing, bowling, high school sports, or some other lesser product?"
-- Patrick Freitas, former Director of Operations for ICON Sport, asking some very excellent questions over at the UG.
In fairness, the league hasn't folded yet, but it appears to be in deep trouble.
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nah...
2004 world series of poker
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 10, 2008 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
More reality shows about kids playing video games like Madden?
by Kierkegaard on Dec 10, 2008 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oooh...
Madden Nation. You want to talk about compelling television. Kids that I would have punched in the mouth in high school playing Madden and acting like it makes them bad shit….
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 10, 2008 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
please....
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
by Warhand on Dec 10, 2008 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Madden Nation is such a great show. Instead on focusing on, oh I don’t know, the games they focus on the personalities and hijinks that ensue on the sausage party of a bus.
by Discman2 on Dec 10, 2008 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
dont forget juggling, cheerleading contests and the annual putt-putt golf championships, all programs ive seen on espn and espn2. the lesser product list could go on forever. lol.
by bdw on Dec 10, 2008 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Does this mean the John Bon Jovi is going to be broke?
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
by aaronb on Dec 10, 2008 10:59 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
… going down in a Blaze of Glory.
by Kierkegaard on Dec 10, 2008 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
...he shoots! HE SCORES!
…rec’d
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 10, 2008 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Some opportunity yes, but I think MMA is a lot more popular than arena football. They might want to hold out for some network or at least near network deals rather than accept the time slot arena football got.
by toxic on Dec 10, 2008 11:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Network or stay with Spike. Why risk dealing with a new set of exec with a new set of agendas just to more around on cable.
bad shtick: AFL…Dead or Alive?
Being on the internet gives me a right...nay a responsibility to bitch about things
by beery_pbr on Dec 10, 2008 12:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
here I go again
Ok, I am probably going to uknowingly prove an alternate point or completely contradict myself but I do have thoughts on this subject. First of all those spelling bees are really compelling and as a parent, I find them fascinating. I never really paid attention to arena football much and I am sure the arena football fans don’t know who BJ Penn is. I do think that there are some similarities between these two sports. I don’t think that an ESPN supported MMA league aired and shoved down veiwers throats would have done any better that arena football. Arena football provided a pay check to many athletes whom would have been hammering nails or doing security work without it but it obviously didn’t make money. I don’t think there is any reason to think that anything ESPN could do would be anymore successful than the IFL was. The fact is that, like arena football, MMA is limitedly popular on a grand scale and it could be that there is only so much room on the big sports stage for big money success. We have the UFC and the WEC and we are lucky to have these. The best thing ESPN can do for MMA is provide better coverage and education when they can.
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by Warhand on Dec 10, 2008 12:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Interesting thoughts. I have a couple of points in response:
First, I think the problem with things like poker and spelling bees is not that they are/are not compelling viewing (that depends on the viewier – I find baseball incredibly boring, but many don’t), but rather that A)they are “borderline” sports and B) they have a limited audience appeal. For a network like ESPN to decide to devote more time to covering something that many don’t even consider a sport, knowing that viewership has likely topped out or will experience only marginal growth, than they do to mixed martial arts, is a decision that makes one question the priorities of ESPN, “the world sports leader”. MMA is growing in popularity and viewership; poker peaked years ago (as a viewing trend; I know more people are playing now than ever, but fewer are watching it on television).
Second, no one is necessarily suggesting that ESPN just support a random, underdog MMA promotion. Rather, the issue is that MMA generally doesn’t warrant much mention – or air time – on ESPN. The UFC doesn’t need ESPN’s coverage to survive, but it would sure help bring the sport to many people who otherwise haven’t seen it, either due to lack of knowledge or lack of opportunity, and it would lend a level of perceived legitimacy. The ability to “give” these things to MMA as a whole, just by covering the sport on par with many other sports that they cover, puts ESPN in a fairly powerful position. When they simply refuse to cover MMA to any significant degree, they look like they are abusing their power by making a decision on what is and what is not a “proper” sport on behalf of millions of people who lack the access to enough coverage to make up their own minds.
Third, and last as this has gotten really long, it seems like the decision to broadcast arena football long after it became clear that it wasn’t going to be hugely popular comes from the idea that North American audiences will watch anything football related over almost anything else. As we’ve seen, though, it’s the NFL that’s really popular (and I say that as a huge fan of the CFL), not football. MMA – AT THE MOMENT (so please, all you fans of competition in the sport, put the weapons down) – is very similar, in that it’s the UFC that is primarily popular. It would be absurd for ESPN to cover a random MMA league but not the UFC, just like it would be absurd for them to cover arena football but not the NFL. The problem is that they hardly cover MMA at all, UFC or otherwise. I really like their internet show, but still, it’s only on the internet. As a LEAGUE (not a sport) the UFC is lightyears ahead of arena football in popularity right now, yet MMA as a whole is on the sidelines (forgive the pun) while arena ball still has a spot on stage. That doesn’t sound like a good business decision for ESPN; it sounds like a bias against MMA.
That’s all I’ve got to say.
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by AJB on Dec 10, 2008 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
3 random
I find myself wondering if ESPN doesn’t cover MMA due to the fact that it is carried on competing networks.
I hear many people refering MMA as “UFC fighting”.
The goal for most networks is to get the attention of 18 – 33 year old males and sell lots of commercials geared toward getting their money, when covering MMA can sell commercials it will be on ESPN.
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by Warhand on Dec 10, 2008 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
…comes from the idea that North American audiences will watch anything football related over almost anything else. As we’ve seen, though, it’s the NFL that’s really popular (and I say that as a huge fan of the CFL), not football.
While I don’t disagree with your overall point, I would add that college football is also quite popular (or more specifically, FBS college football) and change your statement to include that. Again, this doesn’t change the point that CFB and the NFL are popular, not football; just a nit-picky inclusion on my part.
by Estrada on Dec 10, 2008 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
football in general is popular in the US. High School, College, NFL all draw significant levels of interest. Other professional leagues aren’t popular because the talent level is relatively low or the rules are wacky. AFL is not regular “football” it is much different based on the odd rules.
I think that it is safe to say that football in general is popular.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 10, 2008 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh don't get me wrong...
my wife and I watch the spelling bee crap and just can’t turn it off. It’s just a matter of how often they run it…etc.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 10, 2008 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is kind of a weird situation.
A group that was going to invest 100 million decided not to, and as we’ve seen with Elite, when you don’t get the cash infusion you think you’re going to get, things usually don’t end well.
Another thing to note, is that ESPN didn’t start cramming Arena Football down our throat until they got an ownership stake. So while there’s going to be a programming void, don’t expect the UFC to be on the top of the list. Maybe an upstart MMA org can fit in, but the UFL and AAFL are supposedly going to be starting in 2009 (like they were supposed to last year) so maybe ESPN will just sign a contract with them and that will give one of them the kick they need to finalize ownership and actually get started.
by Phildo on Dec 10, 2008 1:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
With the money and exposure ESPN has. They could really start a formidable MMA promotion if they so choose to do so.
Not to mention the fact that they could cross promote the hell out of the thing on Sports Center, and build all sorts of shows around it and run replays of it all hours of the day.
Plus at this point they have ESPN,ESPN2,ESPN News,ESPN Classic all on-line 24 hours a day and looking for content.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
by aaronb on Dec 10, 2008 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
drooling at the thought of this
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
by Warhand on Dec 10, 2008 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN could probably even get away with paying guys Non-Affliction type money. Imagine the endorsement money fighters could get from Live events on ESPN?
Were would an advertiser get more exposure, On an ESPN live event that is in 60 Million homes or on a UFC PPV with a 600K buy-rate?
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
by aaronb on Dec 10, 2008 2:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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