Bloody Elbow November MMA Meta-Rankings: Light Heavyweight
| Fighter | Points | Promotion | Last Rank |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1. Forrest Griffin | 593 | UFC | 1 |
| 2. Quinton Jackson | 564 | UFC | 2 |
| 3. Lyoto Machida | 551 | UFC | 3 |
| 4. Rashad Evans | 526 | UFC | 4 |
| 5. Wanderlei Silva | 477 | UFC | 5 |
| 6. Chuck Liddell | 453 | UFC | 6 |
| 7. Keith Jardine | 407 | UFC | 7 |
| 8. Thiago Silva | 340 | UFC | 9 |
| 9. Mauricio Rua | 330 | UFC | 8 |
| 10. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira | 255 | Affliction/WVR | 12 |
| 11. Luis Arthur Cane | 219 | UFC | 18 |
| 12. Vladimir Matyushenko | 214 | Affliction | 14 |
| 13. Rich Franklin | 191 | UFC | 16 |
| 14. Dan Henderson | 167 | UFC | 11 |
| 15. Tito Ortiz | 155 | Unsigned |
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| 16. Renato Sobral | 153 | Affliction/Strikeforce | 15 |
| 17. Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou | 140 | Unsigned | 10 |
| 18. Brandon Vera | 106 | UFC | 17 |
| 19. Stephan Bonnar | 88 | UFC | 19 |
| 20. Rafael Calvacante | 85 | EliteXC | 23 |
| 21. Matt Hamill | 81 | UFC | 21 |
| 22. Ricardo Arona | 80 | Unsigned | 20 |
| 23. Steve Cantwell | 77 | UFC | 22 |
| 24. Goran Reljic | 74 | UFC | 24 |
| 25. James Irvin | 72 | UFC | 25 |
Not a lot of movement here as there were only a couple of ranked fighters active in the last month. The biggest move is #11 Luis Arthur Cane jumping from #18 as a result of beating #17 (was #10) Rameau Thierry Soukoudjou at UFC 89.
#10 Antonio Rogerio Nogueira and #16 Renato "Babalu" Sobral both fought and won in November but neither bout really meant anything beyond their staying active and drawing a paycheck. Nogueira is set to fight #12 Vladimir Matyushenko at the Affliction event in January. Babalu was set to fight Matt Lindland at a catchweight on that card, but its been decided that he'll fight TBD at 205lbs instead. All of that is contingent on Affliction actually producing a second event.
As long as they're wasting money, I'd love to see Affliction sign Soukoudjou to go up against Babalu. The winner could be on his way back to relevance in the division (ie resigning with the UFC), the loser will have a long road back.
There have been no developments for the other ranked fighters outside the UFC -- #15 Tito Ortiz, #20 Rafael Calvacante, and #22 Ricardo Arona. I expect Tito and Rafael "Feijao" to be in limbo until the EliteXC/CBS situation is resolved, although Tito could give up on his network dreams and crawl back to the UFC at any point. Arona will be heading back to Japan some time in 2009, I expect. Possibly to World Victory Road which is building a passable light heavyweight division around #38 Muhammed "King Mo" Lawal.
The UFC Light Heavyweight division has some momentous matches coming, but the December metarankings will probably come out before they happen.
AT UFC 92 on December 27, we've got #1 Forrest Griffin defending his title against #4 Rashad Evans in a title fight of former TUF winners. The funny part is that there's only been limited bitching about that since both guys earned the fight, Griffin with wins over #9 Mauricio "Shogun" Rua and #2 Quinton "Rampage" Jackson and Evans KTFO'd #6 Chuck Liddell. The winner of that match should spend the first quarter of 2009 safely atop the rankings.
On that same card, Rampage will seek his revenge against #5 Wanderlei Silva with the winner likely to get the next title shot. Jackson's lost twice to Wanderlei, we'll see if the cage makes the difference for Rampage. If he loses to his old nemesis, it will have been a very bad 2008 for Rampage. #21 Matt Hamill will fight the unranked Reese Andy that night as well.
At UFC 93, #13 Rich Franklin and #14 Dan Henderson will face-off in a bout that seems to have more relevance in the middleweight division than at 205lbs. That same card will see the long-delayed return of Shogun in a rematch against light heavy debutant Mark Coleman.
In January at UFC 94, #3 Lyoto Machida will take on #8 Thiago Silva in a battle of the unbeaten Brazilians. The winner will have an excellent claim on #1 contender status, but I expect them to have to wait in line behind the guys who can draw -- Wanderlei, Rampage, maybe even middleweight #1 Anderson Silva if he beats #6 Chuck Liddell in one rumored scenario. That event will also see #19 Stephan Bonnar return to action against the undefeated Jon Jones.
NOTE: The Meta-Rankings are not the subjective opinion of the BloodyElbow team, but rather a compilation of the rankings of over twenty leading MMA web sites. It is our opinion that these are the most informative MMA rankings anywhere.

Thanks to Richard for the charts above.
Based on the premise that opinions are like assholes, everybody has one and they all stink. instead of putting up our own subjective fighter rankings, we compile and average the rankings of every source we could find online.
The goal is to show how the MMA community rates the fighters, not to bore you with our opinions.
Be sure and look at the points, they're a much more telling number than the ranking. There's clearly a huge gulf between the top 9 fighters and those that follow.
A total of 43 fighters were ranked in the top 25 by one source or another, for reasons of sanity I only track the top 25 (26 due to a tie) most highly rated fighters.
25 points are awarded for a first place ranking, 16 for a 10th place ranking, 1 for a 25th place ranking. A formula is used to "normalize" the data so all fighters are awarded points from those lists that do not include a full 25 fighters. Fuller explanation below.
Rankings were compiled from the following sites: MMA Fighter, MMA Weekly, Sherdog, 411 Mania, WAMMA, Fighters.com, MMA Ratings, Total MMA, HDNet/Inside MMA, MMA Playground, FightMatrix, CagePotato, TAGG Radio, FCFighter, MMA ELO, Five Ounces of Pain, Houston Chronicle Brawl Sports, MMA News, MMA Blogger, MMA 4 Real, MMA On Tap, FIGHT! Magazine, MMA/VT (Japan) and MMA EQ.
The normalization scheme as explained by JCS of FightMatrix is here:
The "normalization number" (new name) would be:
120
divided by
(Total Fighters Found in Any List minus 10)Every fighter found somewhere else, but on a Top 10 list would be assigned this number.
The "normalization" number would not apply to a fighter not found on a Top 25 list. They would simply get 0.
So the process would be:
Do all of the Top 25 lists first, #1 = 25, #2 = 24…. #24 = 2, #25 = 1
Do all of the Top 10 lists, same scoring structure.. stops at #10 = 16Figure out that normalization variable.
Fill in the normalization variable to all fighters not found in the Top 10 lists, but found elsewhere.
Do your totals and rank.
Comments
No, no, no!
We’ve already ESTABLISHED that The Janitor should be way above Chuck. Damnit, when will the Meta-Rankings get it right!?!
(Kidding aside, these ones look pretty close to what I’d say.)
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
by AJB on
Dec 10, 2008 12:30 PM EST
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- wand last 5 fights at light HW…
W- Jardine KO
L- Lidell UD
L- Henderson KO
W- Arona SD
L- Arona UD
- Lidell last 5 fights…
L- Evans KO
W- Wand UD
L- Jardine SD
L- Rampage TKO
W- Ortiz TKO
Had no point to this, rankings are just weird.
by dbcb on
Dec 10, 2008 12:40 PM EST
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that is supposed to be number 5 wand and number 6 chuck… idk why it changed it to 1. odd
by dbcb on
Dec 10, 2008 12:41 PM EST
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Both guys are basically coasting off the fact that for most of this decade they monopolized the #1 and #2 spots on everyone’s rankings. They remain draws and as long as they threaten to KO anyone in the division at anytime, they’ll continue to be ranked highly.
by Kid Nate on
Dec 10, 2008 12:43 PM EST
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So Chuck Liddel is #6, but Oleg Taktarov isn’t even ranked? What a crappy list.
by Zack Gobie on
Dec 10, 2008 12:41 PM EST
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as you can see from the charts above, Oleg comes in at #39 thanks to his big push from FIGHT! magazine.
by Kid Nate on
Dec 10, 2008 12:44 PM EST
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Rollerball, best movie ever!!!
More Oleg and more LL. Cool J…. where’s the sequel Hollywood?
by Gunslinger20 on
Dec 10, 2008 1:13 PM EST
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lol @ big push from FIGHT! magazine
Being on the internet gives me a right...nay a responsibility to bitch about things
by beery_pbr on
Dec 10, 2008 1:42 PM EST
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hopefully the “new guard”… ala cane, shogun, machida, thiago get a shot at some of the top guys soon.
if someone could get it together, you could make a "decent’ LHW division outside the UFC name wise with Ortiz, Soko, Arona, Lil Nog, Babalu, Vlad…
highly unlikely though.
by dbcb on
Dec 10, 2008 12:51 PM EST
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Is Shogun still considered part of a “new guard”? He’s hardly fought in a long while (it seems so long ago that we were all predicting that he’d end Forrest Griffin’s life), and didn’t look impressive in his last couple of outings. I fear Shogun is the new Vitor.
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by AJB on
Dec 10, 2008 1:06 PM EST
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that’s a terrible business strategy though. As we’ve learned from Affliction, those guys are expensive and except for Tito really aren’t draws.
by Kid Nate on
Dec 10, 2008 1:07 PM EST
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I was in dream world
well semi dream world… dream world has all them in the UFC
by dbcb on
Dec 10, 2008 1:22 PM EST
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Could a promoter really promote a legit light heavyweight division though? Three of the guys you listed are UFC wash outs. It’d be tough to convince fans that a champion of a division comprised of those guys is a legitimate competitor for the UFC belt holder.
by Andy R on
Dec 10, 2008 1:20 PM EST
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That’s an awful lot of UFC guys at the top of the list, and 18 of 25 overall. Zuffa is really taking over the lightheavyweight division.
by Andy R on
Dec 10, 2008 1:06 PM EST
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Chuck and Wandy are in there on name merits alone. What a joke.
by lbk on
Dec 10, 2008 1:07 PM EST
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might want to ask Keith Jardine about Wandy’s right to be there. lol.
by Kid Nate on
Dec 10, 2008 1:08 PM EST
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Yeah, he beat the snot out of him, I realize that but..come on! The guy has one qualtiy win in his last 4 fights.
by lbk on
Dec 10, 2008 1:49 PM EST
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Oleg is tied w/ Houston Alexander?
What an insult? lol
Glover Texeiria, hopefully he ends up somewhere big soon…. that dude is a beast!!!
by Gunslinger20 on
Dec 10, 2008 1:16 PM EST
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Lawal
Wow, we are the only ones who rank him?
by JCS_FM on
Dec 10, 2008 1:39 PM EST
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yeah most fools are sleeping on King Mo. That won’t last forever!
by Kid Nate on
Dec 10, 2008 1:45 PM EST
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When are the Bantam and Fly rankings coming?
=)
by JCS_FM on
Dec 10, 2008 1:47 PM EST
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For Fly, you can just post ours..
We won’t mind!
by JCS_FM on
Dec 10, 2008 1:47 PM EST
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How about this:
1 Miguel Torres
2-30 Everyone else
by lbk on
Dec 10, 2008 1:50 PM EST
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As soon as people start ranking bantam and flyweights.
Bolts from the Blue // People who have time on their hands will inevitably waste the time of people who have work to do.
by Richard Wade on
Dec 10, 2008 2:23 PM EST
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yep...
that was the problem when we started the meta’s and remains today. not enough places do rankings below LW to get a very deep list
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by Brent Brookhouse on
Dec 10, 2008 2:40 PM EST
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Your question amused me, so I went ahead and put together MetaRankings Feather, Bantam and Fly weights this afternoon. Nate has them now.
Bolts from the Blue // People who have time on their hands will inevitably waste the time of people who have work to do.
by Richard Wade on
Dec 10, 2008 6:02 PM EST
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You're a freak...
…but it’s awesome
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by Brent Brookhouse on
Dec 10, 2008 7:04 PM EST
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It’s a pretty quick process really aside from MMAVT because it’s Japanese and Total MMA because it might as well be in a different language.
Bolts from the Blue // People who have time on their hands will inevitably waste the time of people who have work to do.
by Richard Wade on
Dec 10, 2008 7:21 PM EST
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Oh and MMA ELO because I have to go through and remove the female fighters.
Bolts from the Blue // People who have time on their hands will inevitably waste the time of people who have work to do.
by Richard Wade on
Dec 10, 2008 7:22 PM EST
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The LHW division has really lost alot of its luster, IMHO.
Machida and Thiago Silva are the only guys who have been routinely impressive every time out. And Machida isn’t exactly compelling to watch.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
by aaronb on
Dec 10, 2008 1:48 PM EST
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Broken record...
Babalu-#4
Rua, Franklin, Henderson- NR
Griffin -#5
Being on the internet gives me a right...nay a responsibility to bitch about things
by beery_pbr on
Dec 10, 2008 1:50 PM EST
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I understand the thought behind ranking strictly through a mathematical formula. However you have to review your findings and every once in while say, “Hey, that does not look right”
Being on the internet gives me a right...nay a responsibility to bitch about things
by beery_pbr on
Dec 10, 2008 1:58 PM EST
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The formula is based on how other sites rank these fighters. So if something doesn’t look “right,” then it’s likely due to how other sites are ranking the fighters rather than anything BE is doing (also remember that ranking is very subjective).
by Estrada on
Dec 10, 2008 2:31 PM EST
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Thank you Estrada, I know how the Meta's work
I was referring to MMA-EMO, I guess I should have stated that.
If 21/24 sights rank griffin #1 and the other two have him ranked #2-3 respectivly, where does #5 pop-up
Being on the internet gives me a right...nay a responsibility to bitch about things
by beery_pbr on
Dec 10, 2008 2:37 PM EST
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You can go here and read all about it.
Bolts from the Blue // People who have time on their hands will inevitably waste the time of people who have work to do.
by Richard Wade on
Dec 10, 2008 2:40 PM EST
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thank you Richard, been there, still don’t agree. But I guess that is why there is more than one MMA site on the web.
Being on the internet gives me a right...nay a responsibility to bitch about things
by beery_pbr on
Dec 10, 2008 3:02 PM EST
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My apologies, I guess I’m recalling the first couple iterations of these when far too many people were confused by the meta-rankings.
by Estrada on
Dec 10, 2008 2:43 PM EST
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no worries
Being on the internet gives me a right...nay a responsibility to bitch about things
by beery_pbr on
Dec 10, 2008 3:01 PM EST
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For grins, can you sneak Frank Trigg in every meta ranking?
Yeah, who got the final Death Blow? 'Cause I thought that Hawaiian guy had it comin' to him. - C. K.
by monkeyfightclub! on
Dec 10, 2008 4:01 PM EST
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Why I hate Rankings
Seriously, Chuck and Wandy 5th and 6th? Haven’t those guys combined 7 losses in in their last 10 fights. I know they’ve built a name and competition has been strong but every other fighter would have plummeted. What is Rich Franklin doing number 13th? It’s a little earlier to jump him ahead of some established names on that list. Same with Vera, his Lightweight resume isn’t worthy of top 25.
I see Luis Cane got the typical big UFC jump. Really, one win against Sokoudjou (who the posters slammed) and he jumps ahead of Henderson, Matyushenko and Babalu? I think Cane is going to be a great force but if he had won that fight under Affliction or Strikeforce he would have jumped from 18th to 17th.
by bignerd on
Dec 10, 2008 7:16 PM EST
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Antonio Rogerio Nogueira vs Vladimir Matyushenko for WAMMA Lightheavy Weight Championship belt!!!!
You heard it here first!!!!
by Tra Telligman's Pec on
Dec 10, 2008 8:40 PM EST
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