GSP lacks the mental fortitude to beat Penn
This fight is an interesting stylistic match-up. Both fighters are at the top of their game and both fighters represent what it is to be a world champion. Their is certainly potential for this fight to end in a variety of different ways, and the winner of this fight is far from certain. That being said, let me launch into my shpeel:
THIS FIGHT IS GEORGE SAINT PIERRE'S TO LOSE!
I've heard it said on many occasions that BJ is tougher mentally, and that that is his fundamental edge. I'm not so sure if BJ is all that tough mentally, but I am sure that GSP has shown in the past that he is weak in this area. He wants to please, he wants to be exciting, and most importantly he believes he is the best, to the point where it is detremental. These assertions are heavily supported by his losses to Hughes & Sera & his aspiring hip hop career. How, specifically, can this lack of mental fortitude result in a GSP loss?
This fight is being billed as a barn burner. There is so mutch history, and so much expected, that it would be hard not to get caught up in it. The problem for GSP is that Penn can feed off this excitement, it actually helps Penn's game plan. He wants a toe to toe war. Penn has huge power in both of his hands and he showed it the first time they fought. GSP, on the other hand, needs to be very cautious, he can not afford to get caught up in the moment. He can not afford to please the fans. He certainly can not affort to exchange with Penn the way Penn, and the fans, would like.
I've heard over the past few months people, including myself, debate the pros & cons of each fighter's style and skill set. I've heard some people say that BJ is a better boxer (seems to be the consensus), and I've heard myself say that GSP is a better boxer. I think that both these statements are half true. Watch how BJ implements his stand up game in his fight with Sherk and even his last fight with GSP. It reminds me of a Roger Huerta, a Rampage, Thiago Alvez: he inches forward, making sure that his feet are planted as much as possible so that when the opportunity comes, he can use his legs to generate tremendous power. When he does this he is able to put together some beautiful & powerful combinations. This is good boxing. Watch GSP in his last few fights. Up on his toes, moving in and out, side to side with fluidity. Stops for a moment to plant his feet and then back to the bobbing and weaving. This style allows him to be highly mobile and extremely effective with less powerful combinations. Kind of reminds me of Rashad Evans, Lyoto Machida, Forrest in his fight with Rampage. This is good boxing. Less exciteing, but equally good. Neither guy has what it takes to go pro, but effective in their own regard. Watch Pacman fight -- he puts both these skill sets together in beautiful fashion.
OK... so the stand up is somewhat of a push. But Penn certainly has the grappling advantage. IF PENN GETS GSP ON HIS BACK, then GSP is in some trouble. Problem is: PENN CAN'T PUT GSP ON HIS BACK. Rush is just to good a wrestler. At the same time, I don't see him doing much damage to BJ if he gets BJ on his back. For me, it's the ground game that's the biggest push. Their respective skill sets neutralize each other on the ground. But as we all know as MMA fans in America, the wrestler is more easily able to acquire points in a grappling exchange. This may very well be the deciding factor if this fight goes the distance. George should definitely look for the takedown even though he is only doing it for the points.
Given all this, what's the game plan:
St. Pierre needs to use leg kicks, jabs, and footwork to score points and set up a clinch situation. From here he needs to attempt a takedown for points and then retreat. He's skilled enough that he doesn't need to be overly concerned about Penn's guard, but at the same time, Penn is skilled enough to neutralize any GnP. It's best for him to be counting points and to be dragging this fight to the deeper waters. BTW, this is exactly what he did in his first fight with BJ after the first round -- and it worked. George cannot get overly aggressive, he can not get emotional, and he can not deviate from this gameplan. A boring fight is a good fight for GSP.
Baby J needs to do what he's been doing. He needs to capitalize with power any time George is in range. He should be cautious of leg kicks, as this is a 5 rounder, and he has to conserve energy. This is pretty much what he did in the last fight, and he lost, so he needs to do somethings a little different. He needs to be more aggressive in the clinch -- try to do some damage with knees and elbows. If George overcommits on a take down, Penn needs to punch him hard in the face. Further more, and perhaps more importantly, Penn needs to get the crowd on his side. He's the one fighting the exciting style and the crowd is gonna see it like they saw it last time. If GSP gets frustrated, he's gonna make a mistake -- and that's exactly what Penn needs to win this fight.
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I disagree. His loss to Serra was an aberation. People love to say he has no mental focus simply becasue of that one loss. Since then he has destroyed top flight competition.
I see the same thing happening in the fight with BJ. GSP is simply on another level.
by lbk on Nov 10, 2008 11:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
He almost lost to Penn in the first round, just like he lost to Serra. I hope he comes into this fight with the proper focus, or we could witness another ‘aberation’.
I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!
by mma_dude on Nov 10, 2008 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
GSP was born to be an athlete. BJ Penn was born to fish and cultivate taro.
What I mean is that GSP is on another level of athleticism while BJ has to work much harder to do the same. GSP is also more dedicated and trains all year long. BJ needs to motivate himself before a fight to get his ass out of bed.
by cauliflower_ears on Nov 10, 2008 11:40 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I def disagree with this
BJ is an amzing athlete. To be able to contort his body the way he does..to be able to compete with other black belts in BJJ almost right away. Give me a break. BJ is a freak athlete.
The problem with BJ is that he is so gifted he doesn’t have to work as hard as someone else in his weight class. He is just that good.
But he’s gonna have to work as hard as he ever has for the fight with GSP.
by lbk on Nov 10, 2008 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Were you the guy who gave Hughes that t-shirt?
I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!
by mma_dude on Nov 10, 2008 9:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No. I'm not even white.
I knew someone would look at that post and jump to conclusions, but I’m sorry to disappoint. Neither am I remotely racist, nor am I trying to stir shit up by controversial statements.
Think a little deeper – If GSP trained enough he could very well be a baseball player, a soccer player, a swimmer, hell even a track and field athlete.
Could you possibly imagine BJ doing any of those?
The reason BJ is out of gas by the end of the 2nd round in most of his fights is for that reason. He doesn’t have the genetic gifts that GSP does. BJ is super talented …probably second to none. But things stand, his talent is deserving of better physical attributes.
by cauliflower_ears on Nov 11, 2008 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it’s cause BJ is the same size as GSP but cuts all the way down to 155.
I was just kidding about the Supremacy thing.
I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!
by mma_dude on Nov 11, 2008 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If BJ Penn can come into shape for a 5 five minute round fight, BJ Penn can win this fight. BJ Penn has shown that his boxing is leaps and bounds better than what it used to be. But this fight will not be like Sherk/Penn at UFC 84. GSP will not stand in front of you and slug it out, if BJ does that, GSP will put his butt to the mat. I think BJ will not be as strong as GSP and that will drain BJ’s cardio and strength down. The jiu-jitsu factor is unquestionable. BJ’s MMA BJJ is arguably the best in America. But with the BJJ black belt of GSP and his strength can BJ pull off a submission? I think this fight is going to be insane. So far out, anything can happen from here untill then. But talking about this for another 2 and a half months makes me happy.
by "Mr. NC-17" on Nov 10, 2008 2:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Title of this piece is horrible…GSP has already beaten BJ Penn…he took a huge amount of punishment during the 1st round of that fight…then showed madd heart in coming back and winning that fight.
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by Tha Realness on Nov 10, 2008 3:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Exactly...
Penn needs to find a way to win because GSP outlined a pretty descent strategy the last time they fought. Right now Penn is looking at a punchers chance to win. Or, a GSP meltdown.
I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!
by mma_dude on Nov 10, 2008 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not impressed by your performance
In this argument.
Or your riddum, for that matter.
by subo on Nov 10, 2008 3:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
My riddum is way off on this one — I don’t think anybody can get past the title.
I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!
by mma_dude on Nov 10, 2008 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Shit, it got you some views
My post is just languishing.
by subo on Nov 10, 2008 5:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let me see if I’m following this one correctly:
Your initial premise is that GSP doesn’t have the mental fortitude to beat Penn.
Your support for this is:
—Penn isn’t as mentally tough as people say he is.
—GSP’s losses to Hughes and Serra (which completely overlook everything since then) show he’s mentally weak.
—Stand-up is a “push.”
—Penn has the advantage in grappling, but can’t get GSP on his back.
How exactly does this show that GSP does not have the mental fortitude to beat Penn? Maybe I’m missing it in there somewhere, but it looks to me like you basically just said it and then “proved” it by discussing everything except mental fortitude, and then predicted that if GSP makes a mistake and if Penn can capitalize on it he’ll win.
AND, you completely ignored the “nipple-tweak” in your analysis. Without taking that into account, I’m skeptical of your conclusions.
by Kierkegaard on Nov 10, 2008 3:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If I have to explain it then it probably ain’t that well written. In a nut shell: Penn can only win if GSP self destructs, which we have seen in the past.
I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!
by mma_dude on Nov 10, 2008 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So were you trying to make a case for why GSP will self-destruct? Because the title makes it sound like you were suggesting GSP can’t win this fight. I get it if you’re trying to say that GSP has the advantage everywhere except mental toughness, except that you questioned Penn’s mental toughness and didn’t really indicate why GSP was likely to have a breakdown in this fight, given what we’ve seen out of him the last couple of times out.
… and what about the damn nipple-tweak? That’s got to be factored in somewhere, dude.
by Kierkegaard on Nov 10, 2008 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The stage has certainly been set for us to witness another meltdown. It seems like it’s those high profile fights that bring it out in GSP. The title was meant somewhat Ironically, but I do think a breakdown is possible in this fight.
As for Penn, an earlier post mentioned that it was hard for Penn to get motivated for a fight. I agree with this, and it shows a lack of mental toughness on Penn’s part. However, this will not be a factor in this fight. Penn will have an easier time making weight, and he is highly motivated.
The nipple tweak spells certain doom for Penn, unless perhaps, if Penn is able to tweak his nipples first.
I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!
by mma_dude on Nov 10, 2008 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought about that too – does the one who tweaks first win?
What if BJ comes in doing some Hawaiian tweak, twist, or pull that overrides the nipple tweak? I can’t wait to find out.
"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007
by lovingmma25 on Nov 11, 2008 10:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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