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Why Any Mature or Reasonable Person Doesn't Enjoy "The Ultimate Fighter 8"

From a comment on the UG:

I feel bad that Noguiera is even associated with this. 

The entire season has been a bunch of beeped out destruction, tonight I've watched 10 minutes and I've seen people ingest piss and ejaculate.

How in the fuck can Dana say EliteXC was so terrible for the sport, then feed this to an audience with a straight face?  This is like an episode of Ren & Stimpy.  You want the sport to be taken seriously?  Try controlling your own product before you tell others how bad theirs is.

Last night was an absolute low point in civility, class and the presentation of these athletes. It's also a direct contradiction of what's being presented on MMAFacts.com. I realize Spike TV has to get edgy in order to get ratings, but this is beyond the pale. They trap bored young men in a house, fuel them with alcohol to their hearts' content, encourage them to find ways around their boredom but do not mind when these fighters act in such a way as to cause revulsion to anyone with any sense of decency. And this is an improvement over the genial Kimbo Slice?

I'm done with it. Call me when the finale is on.

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I don’t know the law too well, but I’m pretty sure Spike and/or the UFC could be sued for allowing that to happen (eating the urine and sperm).

And I agree, low point. Going to something I had written last week, I think the UFC (or at least Dana White) has almost no control of the show anymore. White in the past was very adamant that the fighters act in a mature manner, and represent the sport and company well. This season so far has been the absolute reverse.

by mythbuster on Nov 6, 2008 10:31 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

One bone to pick with the comment

Dana White encourages (hell, rewards) disgusting, immature, shitty behavior on national TX.

EliteXC fixed fights.

They’re not in the same ballpark. They’re not even in the same fucking sport.

by subo on Nov 6, 2008 12:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Did I mention EliteXC, or did you reply to the wrong person?

by mythbuster on Nov 6, 2008 1:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just to the article

Wanted it to be somewhat toward the top of the chain.

When I said ‘the comment’, I meant the one in the article.

by subo on Nov 6, 2008 3:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Elite attempted to influence the outcome of fights

If they fixed them Kimbo would still be champion.

by skwirrl on Nov 6, 2008 7:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

NM

Jr. Silva was their champion

by skwirrl on Nov 6, 2008 7:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It is best just to record it, go back, and fast foward to the fight

Nover looks like hes gonna be a beast. Only reason I watched this one.

by dbcb on Nov 6, 2008 10:36 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yep, that’s the only way to watch it.

by Richard Wade on Nov 6, 2008 1:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

To me it’s a lot like “Tapout” — it’s worth watching for the training and fight portions, and worth fast forwarding past all the rest.

by Kierkegaard on Nov 6, 2008 10:39 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

except I stop FFWD when they’re doing model photoshoots on Tapout.

I didn’t mind the show, I thought it was pretty funny but then when I was that age (20-25) I did some pretty terrible things in college/my frat so perhaps I was desensitized.

by pr0cs on Nov 6, 2008 10:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I had no problem with the pranks. Those idiots got what was coming to them. Immature? of course, but a large portion of young men are. Pissing in someone elses food would be over the line, but your own food? That is justice. As someone who, in high school, got there post weight cut food stolen it is simply unacceptable to steal food in that type of environment.

by szucconi on Nov 6, 2008 10:48 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think

People need to calm down and get off their high horses. We are fans of a combat sport for christ’s sake. You all act like you have never seen behavior like this. Do you need to endorse it? no. But to act like it is reprehensible and you have never seen behavior like this is a flat out lie. If you don’t like it, don’t watch. But this is by far the worst thing to ever happen on television.
The plain fact of the matter is if this show was straight training and fighting, no one new would watch it. It would be about 300,000 hardcores and no one else. Its a necessary evil and no one wants to accept it. Its the society we live in folks, deal with it.

by Nick Travaglini on Nov 6, 2008 11:01 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I see. So the choice is either nothing but training footage or Howler monkeys throwing feces at one another. Talk about a completely false dichotomy.

by Luke Thomas on Nov 6, 2008 11:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

THANK YOU LUKE!!!!

I was disgusted.

Yes, its a reality show, and yes, it is designed to attract a certain demographic and viewer. That certainly doenst make it good for the sport.

Suppose I am a pastor at a church and I want to attract more people. Now suppose to do that I decide to hire porn stars to perform live sex acts in the middle of the service to bring in the 18-35 demographic. That doesnt make it good for churches. It makes it sinking to a low just to pick up business. It also completely distracts from the purpose of the church altogether. I just cant help but think that this is doing far more harm than good.

This is no different. How about show us more training that they go through. How about some video clips of the guys in pre TUF fights. How about more insight into their background so you can develop some type of fan base for that fighter. The only way they do this now is by seperating the guys that act like jackasses (Junie Brown) and the guys that dont (Mac Danzig). This is the first season that I havent even cared which team won.

The worst part is, I will still record it. However, now I will be fast forwarding and scenes that have anything to do with being in the house. The only reason I watch is becuase I love this sport and love to see the young and up and coming fighters…..Griffin, Sanchez, Evans, Bisping, Stevens, etc

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by Brandon Jones on Nov 6, 2008 11:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow man. How can you say “This is no different” in comparing the metaphor you made to the antics on the show? Are you out of your mind?

A church is a place you go to worship your faith – to find God. The church offers a specific product – it’s pretty much the same everywhere – and those who want that product can show up to get it. The church denounces sex for anything other than procreation, in most cases. Any church denounces porno. Point is – this new business model would be completely going against the point of their product and false advertising. The last thing church going people want to see at church is “live sex.” It’s the equivalent of going to a rally advertised as advocating race equality only to show up and see a bunch of KKK performers and Nazis.

Needless to say, not only is your metaphor a stretch but it simply doesn’t apply. What you’re trying to do is somehow make sense of the fact that you think the offbeat shenanigans of last night’s show bring down the morality of the sport. Let me break something to you – the Ultimate Fighter has never been an hour straight of what you’re talking about. It’s always included house shenanigans.

I’m not going to go out and say you can’t be “disgusted” by what you saw – that’s your right – but your argument is nonsensical. The show is both a reality show and a fight show. That means it’s going to have fights and training and at the same token have the types of things you would expect from a reality show.

by dropkick101 on Nov 6, 2008 1:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Suppose....

I wanted to join your church… How would I go about this again?

by skwirrl on Nov 6, 2008 7:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

By the way

Wasn’t a shot at you Luke, hope it didn’t read that way. More of a general statement. I stand by what I said, but if it came off wrong, I apologize.

by Nick Travaglini on Nov 6, 2008 1:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No worries.

by Luke Thomas on Nov 6, 2008 1:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe they could do a combination of training footage and video of actual Howler monkeys. That’d be fun.

by Richard Wade on Nov 6, 2008 1:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Guys this isn’t a professional production of the sport. This is not a live UFC fight. This is a reality show meant to attract the type of people that would watch a show about 20-something guys locked together in a house who have to beat the shit out of each other to win the show. The prize just so happens to be a UFC contract.

EliteXC was bringing mixed martial arts to the masses yet their main event fighter was completely manufactured and could in no way live up to the hype they built around him. Their management team didn’t know anything about the sport. They couldn’t handle dealing in large sums of money. Their match ups didn’t make sense more often than not. On top of that – this was all done on primetime network television which attracts a much broader audience then Spike TV.

There was nothing wrong with last nights show. If you want to watch just fights, turn on Spike at 10:45. Otherwise, there’s nothing to complain about. The premise of the show is locking a bunch of aspiring fighters together with no TV or internet or anything else that occupies the down time of most people. Shit like this is going to happen and the cameras are going to catch it.

If you want to pick up some tricks of the game, go buy an instructional video. If you want to learn how pro fighters train, get off the couch after work and go spend a couple hours a week at your local gym training BJJ or muay thai or something. If you want to watch fights, you can find plenty for free on the internet. There’s no reason to complain about the Ultimate Fighter when you know what you’re getting into – 45 minutes of frat boy type bullshit and then about 15 minutes of fight time.

For the record, if somebody kept eating my food – I’d do something horrible to it as well. Teach them a lesson – don’t touch another man’s food without permission.

by dropkick101 on Nov 6, 2008 11:02 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

“If you want to learn how pro fighters train, get off the couch after work and go spend a couple hours a week at your local gym training BJJ or muay thai or something.”

I do and this has nothing to do with anything.

by Luke Thomas on Nov 6, 2008 11:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure it does. You disregarded the rest of what I said about known what to expect when you turn on TUF. Was the prank a little too far? Maybe so. Shock humor, if you will. But the point is that TUF’s purpose is not solely to present how pro fighters train. That might be why you tune in and one of the major elements of the show – but it’s not the sole purpose. For 8 seasons the show has put heavy emphasis on the antics inside the house and this is no exception.

by dropkick101 on Nov 6, 2008 11:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

On the other hand, if you enjoy watching men eat sperm, you should be at another website.

by mythbuster on Nov 6, 2008 11:22 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That’s attacking from the wrong angle entirely. The show did not highlight Kingsbury pleasing himself into a cup. We did not see the other guy dripping man cream all over his face. There was a closed door and you knew what was going on. There was a guy eating sushi and you knew what was on that sushi. This was a sick prank to cure boredom and teach somebody a lesson about stealing another man’s food. If you can’t stomach shock humor, grow a set. Don’t insinuate that because somebody appreciates a good sick joke from time to time that they like dudes.

by dropkick101 on Nov 6, 2008 11:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn’t attacking you. I’m just saying, from this and your other posts in this thread, you are very passionate about your right to watch men drink urine and swallow other mens sperm. To each their own.

by mythbuster on Nov 6, 2008 1:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You essentially just did the same thing. I’m just saying, if you get sick too easily from thinking about something you don’t even see on TV but just hear about somebody doing, that’s your right. I see a couple guys playing pranks on one another and take it to a much higher level than i expected and I laugh at the ridiculousness of the situation. You sit there and can’t get the mental image of Kyle Kingsbury beating himself off out of your head so you come on the internet and try to hide your gay thoughts by pinning them on somebody else.

My right to “watch men drink urine and swallow other mens sperm”? What’s wrong with you?

by dropkick101 on Nov 6, 2008 1:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that’s a pretty back-handed statement. Should we also get high and uppity about other cultures that eat duck embryos? What is disgusting to one person may be funny to another. Lets not cast those people who like it as miscreants.

If certain individuals are offended by it, then stop watching it as protest. If the ratings suffer, then the producers will be forced to change their ways. You may like it or you don’t. Don’t pass judgment on the people who do.

by cyph on Nov 6, 2008 2:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is also

The best episode of TUF ever. Hopefully they end it on a high point cause the rest of the serious has been seriously shitty.

by skwirrl on Nov 6, 2008 7:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If you guys remember, I leaked the “antics” of this weeks episode before the season. I was disgusted by the story and could only imagine how i would react in that position. That said, I can’t believe that TUF/Spike sank to a new low and actually aired the footage. When I first heard of this, I thought there would be no way they would ever air that. I was wrong.

I will continue to watch, because my friend is on there and I want to support him. However, after this season, I will definitely reconsider my decision to watch TUF again. The house antics I can live with, but this was so disgusting and over the top, I was actually ashamed for those involved. While I don’t know the ramifications, if any, to the sport, it certainly in no way helps to elevate it. Could you imagine the NFL doing something like this??

http://eliotmarshall.com/

by BJJDenver on Nov 6, 2008 11:02 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Also don’t forget these are NOT UFC fighters! most of them probably won’t even make it to further than a fight night, the TUF show is the NOT UFC and after all it is a Rality Show, I mean what is Dana supposed to do?
 TIVO you don’t like well don’t watch it! You just want to see fights more power to you find them on the internet the next day.
I want to see it all the fights in the house, the pranks the drama and shit slinging.!!!!!!

by mr Sapo on Nov 6, 2008 11:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hell, I watched it on the re-air just because I enjoyed watching the food stealers get some liquid justice. I was laughing my ass off the entire time.

Now if something had been done to someone else’s food…then I would have been pissed and disgusted.

The thing that is irritating me most about this season is how bent out of shape some of the viewers are getting, and just eating up the edited version on TV as if it happened exactly the way and time it is shown. Reading the blogs of the cast members is a really nice way to get a better picture of how things went down. Mainly the insane bashing of Frank Mir and his team on just about every single forum is starting to get to me.

by iiowyn on Nov 6, 2008 11:15 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Oh and in response to the title…I consider myself a pretty mature and reasonable person, and I am enjoying the hell out of the show. Maybe because I never trained in any sports nor did I party it up in high school and college, pretty much kept to myself and studied, I enjoy seeing a glimpse of how other people can act doing the stuff I never did. Just gotta take the editing with a grain of salt and do some more reading up on the fighter blogs.

by iiowyn on Nov 6, 2008 11:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No harm, no foul.

I thought it was kind of funny. I used to have a roomate who did nothing but smoke pot and eat my food and I wish I had thought of that prank. They got what they deserved for stealing. No fights broke out, and everyone had a good laugh about it (well, everyone but semen-boy David Kaplan).

Note: my favorite show is Kenny Vs Spenny whose competitions include: who can keep a poop in their pants the longest, who can bone more women, who can produce more semen, who can blow the biggest fart, and who can keep a dead octopus on their heads the longest. If finding this stuff funny makes me immature or unreasonable, then call me on it.

by Ubernoober on Nov 6, 2008 11:22 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

What makes you all so high and mighty. Jeez, like you’ve never drank piss or eaten semen before.

by nitro on Nov 6, 2008 11:22 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Look, I understand that these guys get extremely bored inside the house, and pranks are going to occurr, but this show is turning more into “Jackass” than fighting. Its more like “What prank is next” rather than “Krystof fighting Kyle.” The show has gone way way way away from the original season. Its not about who truely is the best fighter out of 16, its who is the best fighter out of 8, and the other 8 are just stepping stones and rating boosters (ala see Blake Bowman) I mean this is highly stupid. They should find the top 16 fighters in the world that are unsigned and make them fight in the house. But does anybody really believe that some of these guys are even going to be on the Finale let alone the UFC? Look at TUF 7 finale, we had what 6 fighters from the show in total? CB, Amir, Cale (how I dont know) Tim, Riddle and Rivera. This show is not fun to watch anymore which is a shame, because Phillipe is a heck of a fighter and so is Bader.

Im with you, Call me when the Finale happens, because I cant wait to see previews for the next week’s episode in which it says “Watch what prank is next!”

by "Mr. NC-17" on Nov 6, 2008 11:23 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

lol at saying someone is “high and mighty” if they don’t want to see a fighter eating another fighters jizz.

http://eliotmarshall.com/

by BJJDenver on Nov 6, 2008 11:46 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

This actually shows the fighters in a good light.

All that we see in the media is the barbarity of the sport. On last nights episode we saw people dealing with a problem without violence. Instead of hitting each other they resolved the problem of people stealing food in a creative and non violent fashion. This show shows the humanity of MMA.

by The_Vig on Nov 6, 2008 11:48 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Wait, you mean Dana is a hypocrite? I’m shocked. Next thing you know, he’ll be called a sleezy promoter who only has his and his partners interests in mind. Shocking I tell ya.

by lbk on Nov 6, 2008 11:48 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Let’s remember one thing – there’s no such thing as bad attention except no attention.

by dropkick101 on Nov 6, 2008 11:50 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Haha, just read that UG thread again…Vinny wants to know if he can ask Bader on a radio interview “how does my pee pee taste”

by iiowyn on Nov 6, 2008 12:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The antics in this episode were pretty terrible, but I laughed nervously. I don’t know these guys, I could care less what they do with their free will. I’ll continue to watch TUF, this season and next, but sure I hope that I don’t see anymore piss fruit and spunk sushi. But the insistance that you can’t be mature or reasonable and enjoy TUF is a pretty forceful assessment. I am both and I enjoy TUF. I shook my head at this episode, sure. But these guys gave Spike the footage and Spike is going to use that footage. It’s television.

by Blackout612 on Nov 6, 2008 12:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

From some of the blogs the guys were not really surprised by the piss fruit, saying something about they were used to worse stuff from doing wrestling in school.

Bottom line…don’t steal a man’s food.

by iiowyn on Nov 6, 2008 12:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's a reality show with MMA fighters...

Why are people shocked and indignant that young men would do this? Personally, I laughed so hard last night.

On another note, Nover is the 24 year old “lightweight Anderson Silva” that Dana spoke of. I think his toughest fight was against Duarte. The rest of the fights should be a cake walk.

by cyph on Nov 6, 2008 12:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Tough luck for Duarte. The worst thing about the fighting your way onto TUF has to be the guy who loses to the guy who wins the whole thing.

by Ubernoober on Nov 6, 2008 12:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Aha

I forgot about that lightweight Anderson Silva comment. Good to know..

by Blackout612 on Nov 6, 2008 12:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t like calling him the “lightweight Anderson Silva” the way White was saying it. Saying “This guy reminds me of a young GSP because…” is perfectly fine. That metaphor is saying how he reminds you of GSP and how he might be at a similar level GSP was when he started out. When Dana was making the Silva comparisons he was making it sound like they went and found a guy who was going to come into the UFC and tear through all the top contenders like butter. Nover looks like a quality prospect. Anything else is bullshit.

by dropkick101 on Nov 6, 2008 12:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, Bader confirmed it in his blog at Junkie.

http://eliotmarshall.com/

by BJJDenver on Nov 6, 2008 2:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Package it different then...

Dont sell us a show on fighting, then give us a show on frat boy antics.

The bottom line is that if they did the show would fail…see ESPN’s The Contender.

Why? Because those of us that enjoy and appreciate the fights are in the minority compared to the vast majority of young males who cant be entertainted without chicks in bikinis or dudes acting like idiots. To me, its just not entertaining.

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by Brandon Jones on Nov 6, 2008 12:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Blame it on Kaplan for getting whupped so quickly. What were they going to do, show 55 minutes of a bunch of guys training MMA? Would that make you happy? A TV show was for entertainment and I was entertained. Besides, the only mature person on that show are the coaches and the registered nurse. The rest of them would be working at McDonald’s if they weren’t fighters.

by cyph on Nov 6, 2008 12:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I dont know.....

How about show two fights per show as in years past when you know one fight is going to be short? The last two weeks each fight didnt last two mintutes.

Its a sad state of affairs for this country when our young men need to be entertained by guys eating sperm.

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by Brandon Jones on Nov 6, 2008 12:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Going with two weight classes reduces the number of fights before the finale.

by iiowyn on Nov 6, 2008 12:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL. Different strokes I guess. But c’mon, you didn’t even laugh, at least once? =)

by cyph on Nov 6, 2008 12:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You know what? You’re right. And put me in that majority to an extent.

I love MMA. I love watching MMA. I love training MMA. I love the business side of MMA. I practically enjoy anything having to do with the sport. I can sit and watch fights for hours and be entertained.

With that disclaimer out of the way, I don’t feel bad at all saying that I love watching hot girls frolic around. I’m a huge fan of “dudes acting like idiots” – Jackass was hilarious.

I think you hit the nail on the head. If the hardcore fanbase who hates all other fun things and solely likes MMA wants to keep watching MMA, you’re going to have to understand that certain consolidations are going to have to be made in order to keep the average guy watching. That average guy makes up the majority and is who is tuning in to keep the sport on TV – and thus available for you to watch it.

by dropkick101 on Nov 6, 2008 12:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude

Eating sperm is now entertainment. Say that outloud. It wasnt funny, and no mature person would suggest that it was.

Just know that stuff like that only fuels stereoypes and the naysayers for the sport atht you claim to love so much.

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by Brandon Jones on Nov 6, 2008 1:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that was terrible. I have to say, though, I laughed when the guy pissed in his own fruit.

by Richard Wade on Nov 6, 2008 1:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I never said “eating sperm is entertainment.” It depends on the context, just like anything. If I’m watching an adult movie and a girl decides that’s what she’s going to do, I might consider that entertainment. If I’m watching a reality show and somebody really wants to pull a prank on somebody else, and the end result is I sit there and go “Oh wow I can’t believe that guy just ate that. That’s absolutely horrible. Ha-Ha.” I might consider that entertaining to a degree based on the ridiculousness of the situation. No “mature” person would suggest that it was? I don’t think the ways in which you find humor in life decide your maturity level, in many cases. There’s humor in everything.

And as for the stereotypes – this sport has blown up enough. I don’t think they’re opinion matters anymore.

by dropkick101 on Nov 6, 2008 1:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, eating jizz does have context as entertainment. Alas, it should have nothing to do with MMA if you at all care about converting news fans and convincing the sports establishment MMA is just as much a sport as football whose athletes should be recognized as serious professionals.

Then again, maybe it’s no big deal? I’m waiting for the show about minor league baseball that the MLB creates where relief pitchers have to eat each other’s jizz to get a shot in the big leagues. It’s called “Pitchers and Catchers”. Sounds like a hit, doesn’t it?

by Luke Thomas on Nov 6, 2008 2:01 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Luke, you’re in the wrong demographics for this show. It’s on Spike, the network for Manswers. MMA is a sport for people who enjoys watching two guys beating the crap out of each other. On the other hand, TUF =/= the sport of MMA.

Having said all that, I’m still puzzled at the outrage. Out of 8 seasons, this is the first time something like this happened. And yet everyone assume that this is what TUF will become in the future. People are individuals. This is a show about the daily lives of a bunch of individuals. Silly pranks by immature individuals in one season does not necessarily mean that every single TUF season would stoop this low. The individuals are responsible for their actions. Why shoot the messenger?

by cyph on Nov 6, 2008 2:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That Manswers show is just incredibly bad.

by Richard Wade on Nov 6, 2008 5:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess its pointless to argue

Luke hit the nail on the head though. The two should not mix. Let jackass be jackass and let MMA be MMA.

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by Brandon Jones on Nov 6, 2008 2:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed. I think TUF is one of the forces that impedes MMA from becoming truly mainstreamed. It did make MMA much more popular than pre-2005. But with this being shown about aspiring MMA fighters, it strengthens the glass ceiling, preventing MMA from becoming as popular as MLB, the NFL, and the NBA.

MMA has enough troubles dispelling stereotypes about it being “streetfighting” and educating guys like those on Pardon the Interruption. In the end, I don’t see how this kind of stuff helps to make MMA more of an accepted/mainstreamed sport.

And in this economy, MMA needs to be more mainstreamed; it needs more and new fans from diverse (i.e., age) demographics. Otherwise, the smaller, regional organizations will suffer.

by dmayeda on Nov 6, 2008 3:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

To start, try to avoid articles that say, “if you believe X, then you are Y”. I guess I’m a sherdog refugee and have had enough of the namecalling and petty antics in my MMA blogs. Blindly calling a group people immature is an immature act itself, right?

Regarding TUF, this is the 1st season I’ve looked forward to watching every week since season 1. I also have to say last night was my favorite episode. For one, I love watching the ‘fainter’ fight. (Ryan Bader’s blog confirmed Nover is the one Dana called the next Silva). But the antics were very funny. Tricking someone into eating semen is hilarious. Caplan was in the wrong and got some hilarious come uppance. It’s not like he risked his safety or anything (whereas i thought the pee could get the sick).

Just relax man

by Headkick on Nov 6, 2008 12:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Pee is clean when it’s fresh. You can drink your own in a survival situation.

by szucconi on Nov 6, 2008 12:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just ask Luke Cummo. Or Bear Grilles from Man vs. Wild. It’s the truth.

by dropkick101 on Nov 6, 2008 12:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Feces coming up next week….

by Nick Thomas on Nov 6, 2008 12:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Looks more like Kaplan being punched in the face and Nog betraying his Brazillian roots…

by iiowyn on Nov 6, 2008 12:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope so just so I can hear people complain about the “degradation of the sport.” I can see the blog posts now: “Ryan Bader poops in Kyle Kingsbury’s chocolate pudding; the sport is doomed and the downfall of society is imminent.”

by dropkick101 on Nov 6, 2008 12:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

MusicCityBeatdown

The show has officially “Jumped the Shark”. I’m done.

by MusicCityBeatdown on Nov 6, 2008 12:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

When did TUF turn into a Real World Road Rules challenge?

Being on the internet gives me a right...nay a responsibility to bitch about things

by beery_pbr on Nov 6, 2008 1:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The show has been going steadily downhill for a while now. Maybe that’s why last night wasn’t so shocking for me. There comes a point where a show like TUF outlives its usefulness, and I think we’re there. TUF may even be doing more PR harm than good. It’s certainly a risk for the UFC to have this show associated with its brand at this point. I’m not as appalled by last nights antics as much as I am that the behavior (and methods used to help induce the behavior) continue to be allowed to continue.

A lot of people can minimize TUF and say it’s just a reality show, but it can be a detriment to the UFC just like it once was a savior. Maybe it doesn’t matter that much, but I tend to think differently.

by Cannon Jacques on Nov 6, 2008 1:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Awful

Last night we got 2 minutes of fighting, 0 minutes of training, and 50+ minutes of guys peeing in food, eating pee, ejaculating in food, and eating sperm.

Un-real.

I used to like the show. I’m 100% over it.

I want to watch the guys train… I want to see the drills they do… I want to see the coaches actually COACH them. And I want to see the elimination fight.

I don’t care if they put saranwrap around each other’s bed, or freeze each other’s underwear. Big deal. Kinda funny. They’re bored, they have no TV, so whatever.

But between Junie’s actions in the previous episodes & now this, it’s just out of hand.

These guys are supposed to be professional athletes?

Dana White wants the UFC (MMA) to gain mainstream acceptance as a legitimate sport?

Last night’s episode was a step back in the opposite direction, to the days of “no holds barred cage fighting”, because TUF makes fighters look more like drunks, assholes & animals rather than professional athletes or skilled mixed martial artists.

They lost a fan until they remove the alcohol from the house & implement some basic rules of behavior. Feel free to draw on the walls or hide the other team’s stuff if you’re bored… but if you let someone eat your pee/sperm, you should be kicked the fuck off the show immediateyl. And Junie should have been gone long ago.

Keep Swillin',
Bruz

by Bruz on Nov 6, 2008 1:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

“These guys are supposed to be professional athletes.”

No. That’s the whole point. These guys aren’t professional athletes. These guys are training and competing for a chance to become a professional athlete.

Everybody just needs to relax. I could see being so upset if somebody beat it into your sushi – but he didn’t. He did it to some other guy. On TV. Far away. Relax.

by dropkick101 on Nov 6, 2008 1:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I agree..

I realize that the behaviour was stupid. But everything Junie has done is stupid too, sperm or no sperm. I don’t get why everyone wants to be in control of other humans behaviours. Dana didn’t slide a note under the door saying “Go bust a nut on some sushi, it’ll be hilarious”. And of course the producers are going to put this into the show. It’s fucking teleivision, dudes.

If people want to be mad at someone, be mad at the fighters involved in the acts. But to say you’ll never watch TUF again is to be mad at future fighters. While the critics are at it, hey, stop watching MMA. Since we’re already applying extensions. Because some guy spunked on a california roll, you’re not a fan of MMA anymore. Real good then..

The individuals involved may not have used good judgment— but there’s a lot to be outraged at in this world that is far worse than some kids pissing on fruit on fucking TV.

by Blackout612 on Nov 6, 2008 1:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It seems impossible that one could completely dissociate the behavior of these guys from the UFC and MMA. Spike TV and the UFC are in control, and this is their product. Period. I realize that these silly antics aren’t necessarily indicative of MMA athletes or fans, but what do these antics say to people that don’t follow the sport closely? What does it say about the UFC when they plaster their logo all over this thing?

by Cannon Jacques on Nov 6, 2008 2:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is the equivalent..

..of Michael Beasley, Mario Chalmers and Darrell Arthur being caught for smoking weed in a hotel room at NBA rookie camp.

Except that was illegal..
And they were already in the NBA.

For those of you that say this would never happen in another sport….

by Blackout612 on Nov 6, 2008 2:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Guess what genius...

1.) Go ejaculate or urinate in an unsuspecting person’s food and see if the court’s think it’s illegal when they eat it? (Tip: it is).

2.) What did the NBA do when this behaviour happened?
     (a) discipline the people and require mandatory educational programs
     (b) take the footage and air it on a national cable channel in hopes it spiked ratings for the lowest-common denominator viewer.

by Frank_Castle on Nov 6, 2008 5:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody ejaculated or urinated in another person’s food without that person’s consent. The people who ate that food unsuspectingly were stealing that food.

by Richard Wade on Nov 6, 2008 5:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for calling me a genius

As mentioned by Richard, there’s nothing illegal about busting a nut on your own food. And you’d have to be charged, even in the case that you did it to someone else’s food. Clearly no one took offense. Read a book..

by Blackout612 on Nov 6, 2008 8:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m certainly not saying this behavior is unique to aspiring fighters. What I am saying is that the UFC should be wary of using footage like they did last night. Furthermore, the TUF house is a conducive setting for shit such as this. I don’t really think any of the guys involved are bad people. There in an odd situation where everything they do is being taped.

If this were just a reality show like Survivor or The Real World, it doesn’t make much difference what they air or don’t air. Only the networks have to worry about potential PR fallout, but TUF is something much different. It has the dual purpose of pulling in ratings and cultivating interest in the UFC. Whether or not this bothers me or anyone else here is somewhat irrelevant. It’s probably not going to deter us from watching the UFC events. I do believe it lowers the ceiling in terms of the number of total fans that could potentially come to MMA. From this perspective, I think the negative consequences of airing antics of this nature far outweigh the benefits of increased ratings for TUF.

by Cannon Jacques on Nov 6, 2008 7:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe they should bring back the challenges from S1 and 2, it would put some focus back on these guys as athletes.

by bigweeze on Nov 7, 2008 12:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

a) Luke Cummo has been FAMOUS in MMA for drinking piss, so let’s not pretend these guys brought it into the spotlight.

b) If there’s something wrong with eating that other stuff, STFU about it. People might hear!

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Nov 6, 2008 2:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I enjoyed the show, but I can see how a new fan base might be a little ambivalent.

by Eugene Schelfaut on Nov 6, 2008 2:08 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I stopped watching several

seasons ago. Even then I thought that what happened in the house was a complete contradiction from what the UFC was trying to craft as an image of their fighters.

Every PPV we get to hear about the hard training and sportsmanship via touching gloves pre-fight and embracing post-fight…but then get to see drunken jerks destroy property and defile each other on TUF…just doesn’t work for me.

by Razreshat on Nov 6, 2008 2:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Isn’t this the exact type of fan and image that Dana is saying they aren’t catering to or trying to show?

They want to be taken seriously – but then unlike ANY other sport “reality show” they pull that garbage. Talk about being ambassadors for the sport and showing the intelligent, hard working and dedicated individuals who are the athletes that make this sport.

Here’s a thought – this wasn’t a live show, it was taped footage. Whether it happened or not they had a choice whether to show it. They chose to.

by Frank_Castle on Nov 6, 2008 3:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

of course they did...

and so would you if you were in their position.

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 6, 2008 3:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

mmm…I don’t think I would. What was the point? I doubt if anyone tuned in to simply watch some guy eat baby gravy. I also doubt that anyone will tune in simply to see it again next week. I don’t think that showing this had any positive impact on the ratings. Of course the house antics do, and I can accept that to an extent for the sake of the ratings. But, imo, this was way over the line and had no business hitting the airwaves.

http://eliotmarshall.com/

by BJJDenver on Nov 6, 2008 3:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You're not thinking like a TV exec...

I guarantee that 99% of reality shows would show this if they had the chance.

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 6, 2008 3:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I absolutely would show some of the house antics. but the food pollution, I really don’t think I would. Simply because I don’t think it will boost the ratings a bit.

We all have to weigh the consequences of our decisions, and I cannot fathom how the decision to air this will have any positive consequences, in fact it may have negative ones. Although I would probably guess it will have little if any impact either way.

http://eliotmarshall.com/

by BJJDenver on Nov 6, 2008 3:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The one thing the “food pollution” did was showing that people who were blatantly stealing from another person got bitten in the ass by their own actions. That to me was the best part.

by iiowyn on Nov 6, 2008 3:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly. Especially the ones that were being asses about it.

by Richard Wade on Nov 6, 2008 5:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe you don’t understand how television works, but I promise you that the producer controls rights to usage of all footage in the house. Even so, Dana probably didn’t put up a big stink. These guys aren’t UFC fighters. They aren’t the flagbearers for our sport. Anyone that perceives them to be and subsequently frowns upon MMA can go watch NASCAR for all I care.

by Blackout612 on Nov 6, 2008 3:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jesse Taylor wasn’t in the UFC yet when he got he boot. The guys who had a one-on-one fistfight, and the lobster guy that egged them on, they weren’t in the UFC when they got booted. And all of them did much less than what has been done this season – and no boot.

by mythbuster on Nov 6, 2008 5:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait, what?

At which point was I saying that no one should get the boot? I’ve never put my two cents into that argument.. I’m talking about airing footage. And I think Junie should have got the boot long ago.

Maybe you were talking about what I said about Dana? It was in reference to the use of footage, not the fighters behavior..

by Blackout612 on Nov 6, 2008 8:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lets forget about MMA for a minute. If this reality show was about a bunch of football, basket, or hockey players, would things have turned out differently? No, these are a bunch of young guys who were having fun. It has nothing to do with MMA fighters being immature. This is about a bunch of men being immature.

I swear, most guys at this age and put under this situation magnified by the cameras would probably have done the same thing.

by cyph on Nov 6, 2008 3:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

“We hate most in others that which we see in ourselves.”

by cyph on Nov 6, 2008 3:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I stated this before and I still stand by it. If this was a show about young free agents getting an NFL contract, there is NO way it would have aired.

http://eliotmarshall.com/

by BJJDenver on Nov 6, 2008 3:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I agree with that. It would’ve turned out the same. The difference is that NHL, NFL, NBA and MLB execs would be horrified with the exposure.

by Luke Thomas on Nov 6, 2008 3:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Another point..

I’d consider this all a much bigger deal if offense were taken by any of the individuals involved. If someone had felt violated by the pranks, I’d understand it not making air or there being some outrage. Gives you an idea of the context of the house and how these guys were constantly getting closer and closer to the edge.

by Blackout612 on Nov 6, 2008 3:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

If dude that ate piss fruit is OK with it, then damnit, I am, too.

by subo on Nov 6, 2008 3:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I've said they should cancel this show since it first came on TV

Now that its hit its all time highpoint let it go out with a bang. Horrible TV show since day 1.

by skwirrl on Nov 6, 2008 7:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Horrible cause of showing UFC people right? =P

by iiowyn on Nov 6, 2008 7:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great points but...

I’ve followed every season and I think that the obvious way to reduce the level of immature conduct and increase the professionalism of the TUF participants would be to allow those in the house to have contact with outside media and family. Fighting and training at the level of competition these athletes aspire towards requires an incredible devotion but no job or passion can ever be 100% of someone’s life. Getting to read a book, follow politics, and speak to spouses, children, girlfriends, etc. allows people to get perspective. Almost guaranteed none of the TUF acts this way at home. I agree that last nights episode isn’t great for the sport in general but there are more than 100 posts on this article and considerably less poignant debate on articles relating to last nights upsets.

 I personally would be happy to see people talking about TUF that normally wouldn’t care about MMA, at least then there is a chance of exposing them to the much more enthralling aspects of the sport.

by DBIII on Nov 6, 2008 8:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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