Quote of the Day: Brock Lesnar Thinks He's a White Black Guy
by Luke Thomas on Nov 4, 2008 4:46 PM EST
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"I’ve been accused of using steroids my entire life, probably since the tenth grade in high school… I’ve never failed a drug test. Now if I was a black guy and I looked the way I do would I get asked this question a 100 times? I just happen to be a white guy that has some great genetics, so I guess that puts a bullseye on me… I’m a white dude that’s shredded and you don’t see a lot of it — a guy that’s walking around that looks like me."
-- Brock Lesnar in response to questions about steroid allegations and use.
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No longer doing it for show. Absolutely right.
by Derek Suboticki on Nov 4, 2008 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Case in point: Kongo looks like he’s carved out of marble, but I’ve never heard that rumor dropped. It’s an answer that shows a real loathing for his WWE background, which is undoubtedly the source of at least half of the suspicion. Oh yeah, and getting arrested with them as a teenager. That said, I think he’s clean now – it’s not like Leben or Franca or anyone else were using ‘dumb roids’ instead of those ‘smart roids’ all the fighters that don’t get caught use.
On his general point, however, I do think the American public is more conditioned (NBA, NFL) to black freak athletes than white ones. It all comes back to slavery, when one delves into it – which, of course, no one wants to do.
Not exactly. I talked to a Kineasology professor in college about this. He argues the slave trade might have had an effect, but the notion that “the best” lived on in slavery is grossly over sold has famillies were ripped apart, larger males were murdered by slave masters, etc irrespective of who was best set to reproduce for the species.
More importantly, human evolution takes thousands and thousands of years. Slavery’s effect on the genetic make up is at best, marginal.
It certainly doesn’t explain everything – and I don’t mean to imply that it’s evolutionary. Merely a convergence of the desire to produce larger, stronger, faster slaves and the informal ‘if you read, you die’ policy towards slaves in the South popularized by Chris Rock.
Whether or not the effects of those two are significant, their impact on the American (and media) psyche shows when you put Kongo and Lesnar next to each other. What makes you think one used ‘roids and the other didn’t? Probably the WWE – but Brock, understandably, seems to want to leave that behind him.
by Derek Suboticki on Nov 4, 2008 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t see how that goes back to slavery at all. The best explanation I’ve heard is that Africa has a greater degree of genetic diversity than Europe. The outliers for black people tend to be further out than the outliers for white people, and when the entire population of pro athletes are outliers, black people are more likely to stand out.
That, combined with the differences in culture between African Americans and White Americans, means there are significantly more hyper-athlete black people than white people. Of course the American public will be more conditioned to black hyper-athletes. There are a lot more of them.
by Michaelthebox on Nov 4, 2008 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
yup its got to do with (some) West Africans having more fast-twitch muscle. East Africans own the marathon type events. Africa’s geography is so brutal that it has more genetic and linguistic diversity than all the other continents combined.
I just want to point out the reason why the genetic difference in Africa is much higher than anywhere is because that is the oldest population, evolution had longer time to play there. The younger population you go to the smaller genetic difference you see. Case in point: Native Americans has much smaller genetic differences than any other large population.
This is a general rule and applicable everywhere.
Evolution takes time
I have heard this argument from a few people (all republicans) that African Americans are faster and stronger than white-americans because only the strongest slaves survived, and the fastest ones were able to escape, blah blah blah. This is total garbage and I think quite insulting to African Americans. Humans don’t evolve that quickly. If only Darwin were around to put this issue to rest… Frankly, I am surprised BE posted this non-story, We all know he juiced, and he is going to continue lying about this until he retires and writes a best selling, tell-all book. Props to the crippler for coming clean.
by I don't wear mma t-shirts on Nov 4, 2008 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
Actually
this nails it right on the head.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Isn’t it fairly well know that he was juicing during his WWE days? I mean it’s almost a fact that l the top WWE guys were on sme form of performance enhancing drugs. If anyone is naive enough to think he was clean during those days I can sell you a bridge in Alaska..
No?
It’s not like you get a WWE contract and they hand you a bag of dianabol. That’s a pretty narrow outlook..
by Blackout612 on Nov 4, 2008 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I can also promise you...
that CM Punk (one of the top guys) is on NO PED’s. I go back a ways with the guy and can promise you that is the case. While you could also say that this is an isolated case..you can’t say “all of them are on PEDs” if there is one that clearly is not.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 4, 2008 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
You can also look at the size difference between Punk (who got over more for his unique look, character and moveset than a dominating physical appearance) and the other top guys especially before the WWE instituted their Health and Welness plan (which includes steroid testing) and see a major difference.
THE 3 DEMANDMENTS
Training, prayers, and vitamins!
"I'm a man who discovered the wheel and built the Eiffel Tower out of metal and brawn. That's what kind of man I am." - Ron Burgundy
by monkeyfightclub! on Nov 4, 2008 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
You never know, Brock might have some African ancestors.
"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007
Well...
West Virginia isn’t in Virginia. So maybe there was some confusion…
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 4, 2008 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Luke if thats the case we appreciate you stepping up on short notice and replacing Riddle at UFC 91.
I've always wanted to ask you ...
Do you really think you’ll become omniscient if you kill Christopher Lambert?
by asa on Nov 5, 2008 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Has anyone seen this ‘glovegate’ deal? It seems that Mr. Lesnar doesn’t wear as big a pair of gloves as advertised. It’s not really newsworthy, but funny.
Joe Rogan and Joe Silva kicked the shit out of that topic on the UG, quite funny.
Also some disturbing things about Kongo…
thread = http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum_framed.frame&page=1
I didn’t read anything disturbing about Kongo.
"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007
I missed the Kongo thing, too. Thanks iiowyn. It was pretty funny.
by Cannon Jacques on Nov 5, 2008 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone have the pics of him during his college wrestling days? If I remember correctly, he looked very similar.
At least he isn’t like Lashley who is shredded at 100 pounds over his college weight.
http://eliotmarshall.com/
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 4, 2008 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
Never used steriods hey ?
If my memory serves me correctly didnt he get caught with steriods a couple of years back? so how can he say he doesnt use them? Ohh yeah, i forgot he was holding it for a friend…
C’mon, you know he was just supplementing his income by peddling them to the other wrasslers.
http://eliotmarshall.com/
Because that’s a much better scenario.
by Cannon Jacques on Nov 4, 2008 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
He got caught with something his lawyer referred to as
vitamin supplements during the legal proceedings afterwards. In all the mining I’ve done, I have never found support for the steroid allegation.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
that’s the same thing I’ve been able to find. I was actually following when it happened, and the early rumor was coke, but then the cops said it was some kind of supplement.
by asa on Nov 5, 2008 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
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