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The Overpaid List: Mixed Martial Arts Edition

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Let me start this off by saying that in a few years the salaries we see here may be warranted. The global economy should begin to improve as mixed martial arts continues to grow as a sport. That time is not now. I am a full advocate for a living wage in MMA and I hate seeing that a fighter was paid a mere $2,000 to fight in the UFC. But, I also have a strong dislike for economic waste. It is worth noting that the fighters and their agents did the absolute right thing by taking these offers and fault lies with the promoters who paid such exorbitant amounts.

For the most part, people get paid what their worth according to the market of their particular industry. In the following instances, for whatever reason, a fighter was handed a check that overcompensated him in such a way that I feel the need to address it.

The Top 10 Most Overpaid Fighters

1. Brandon Vera ($200,000 - UFN 14)

To say Vera was a promising prospect at the time he signed this lucrative deal was an understatement. The kid emerged in the UFC out of obscurity and finished four heavyweights in a row, decisively. One was a former title challenger and another was a former champion. With that said, he had still never truly proven himself against a top level opponent or shown himself to be a top draw.  The UFC took a risk in order to hold on to their promising prospect and the gamble failed miserably. The UFC wound up paying out $400,000 more to Vera to see him lose to Werdum and Jardine and come out on top in a snoozer against B-level Reese Andy. Vera should volunteer to start setting up the octagon at events in an attempt to earn some of that cash he should have never been paid in the first place. Maybe washing Keith Jardine's jock strap would be a good start.


2. Tim Sylvia ($800,000 - Affliction: Banned)

Sylvia had a good run in the UFC while it lasted. His victories over Cabbage, Ricco, Gan McGee, and Arlovski turned him into a hot commodity. The problem is the majority of those wins were years ago - way past the short term memory of most of today's fans. For every time Big Tim did something great, he would follow it up with something less than special. The guy can never seem to keep his momentum. Needless to say, the money he was paid to fight Fedor was probably more than he ever earned in a single fight for the UFC - where people actually watched. Tim got paid almost a million dollars for 36 seconds of fighting - in which he lost. It's also worth noting that Sylvia has never been a huge box office draw so the fact that he was paid such a huge amount is mind boggling.


3. Fedor Emelianenko ($1,300,000+ - Affliction: Banned)

The Last Emperor has been regarded as the number one heavyweight in the sport for years - and rightfully so. He sold out huge arenas in Japan and was a legitimate superstar. It would take some hefty numbers to convince his management to put him in a fight in the States and Affliction did just that with the reported million dollar signing bonus and $300,000 fight salary. I said it would take hefty numbers - not enough to feed a small nation for a few months. The fact remains that Fedor has never been a big draw in North America and his pay day helped cement the eventual financial losses of Affliction's inaugural show.


4. Kimbo Slice ($500,000 - EliteXC: Heat)

It is no secret that Kimbo was a big television draw for CBS and EliteXC while it lasted. Comparing the viewers from the shows with him and the show without him proves this. With that said, Kimbo was thrust in the main event when he should have been a side attraction to pull in viewers for the legitimate fighters. EliteXC built him up in the media and had to pay him accordingly. They hoped to maximize their investment as Kimbo's star continued to grow. This failed in epic fashion. Kimbo ultimately was paid a half a million dollars to get knocked out in 14 seconds by a light heavyweight with pink hair - on nationwide television.


5. Ben Rothwell ($250,000 - Affliction: Banned)

Rothwell tore through the IFL ranks and proved himself to be a man that would seen crack the top 10 if he hadn't already. The problem is that no one watched the IFL accept for a small contingent of fans. Or, maybe more accurately, no one paid to see the IFL. Rothwell always showed up and did his job but was never a proven draw in the sport as the IFL simply didn't have the resources or the know how to build a superstar. Despite this, Rothwell appeared as part of the undercard for the first Affliction show and was paid more than what many UFC main event fighters receive. I'm sure Rothwell himself was shocked they were willing to hand over such a huge amount of cash.

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6. Johnnie Morton ($100,000 - K1 Dynamite 2007)

Was anyone in the mixed martial arts community excited to see Morton try his hand at MMA? No? I didn't think so. He was knocked out in 38 seconds and has never been heard from again in the sport.


7. Matt Lindland ($375,000 - Affliction: Banned)

There's no questioning that Matt Lindland is a top fighter who is as tough as they come. Was he worth nearly $400,000 for one unhyped fight on an undercard of a pay-per-view that maybe garnered a 100,000 buys? No.


8. Mirko Cro Cop ($350,000 - UFC 67, 70, 75)

Cro Cop is one of the most exciting fighters in the history of the sport. There is no question about that. The man's near emotionless demeanor and his ability to utterly destroy opponents is something to see. When he came into the UFC, it was believed he would walk through the heavyweight ranks and claim the title strap rather easily. Despite that, Cro Cop was never a proven draw in the US and the UFC paid him a bunch of money because they believed, like the rest of us, that he would become a superstar rather quickly. That didn't happen and the UFC rightfully decided to cut their losses. Only time will tell if the old Mirko reemerges and makes his way back to the UFC but at this point, it is doubtful.


9. Royce Gracie ($400,000 - UFC 60, $300,000 - K1 Dynamite 2007)

Yes, Royce Gracie helped build the UFC and the sport. Yes, a lot of people bought the pay-per-view to see his return to the octagon and to watch him get destroyed by Matt Hughes. Yes, these things may be true but $400,000 is still a lot of money to pay somebody you are simply feeding to the slaughter. And not many people watched the K1 show yet Royce still walked away with multiple bags of cash.


10. Kazuo Misaki ($1,400 - Strikeforce at the Mansion 2)

Alright, I'm kidding. But what the hell was this about? Misaki obviously was paid a much bigger undisclosed amount but still - what the hell?

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Disagree with Royce, Kimbo, and maybe Vera. Agree with everybody else.

by Michaelthebox on Nov 25, 2008 1:52 PM EST reply actions  

I can understand disagreeing with Royce. I put him on there because I thought it was a little higher than necessary considering Hughes wasn’t paid that much and he was the real draw and because I needed to fill a spot on the list. I can also understand disagreeing with Kimbo to an extent but in what was was Vera not grossly overpaid?

by dropkick101 on Nov 25, 2008 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Win or lose, Vera is one of the major interest drivers in the Philippines. I have no idea what thats worth to the UFC, but it isn’t completely impossible that he’s worth that much.

by Michaelthebox on Nov 25, 2008 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t work for the UFC but I will all but guarantee the major reason behind his heft contract was their belief that he would emerge into a big star. The UFC likes putting fighters local fans can associate with on shows, but not to the extent of Vera’s contract. Fighting sells itself; White has said multiple times that people don’t necessarily become fans of fighters based on their nationality but simply on what they do in the cage. Vera’s presence on a Phillippines card might be something the UFC was looking at but it will by no means break their expansion into the country. Look at the turnout for Chuck Liddell.

by dropkick101 on Nov 25, 2008 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Michaelthebox is right

Vera is the cornerstone of their product in the Phillipines. His pay would be way more in line with other fighters of his size/ability if not for that.

by smoogy on Nov 25, 2008 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Everyone I know in the Philippines

knows who Brandon Vera is, but hardly any of them could name Chuck Liddell.

The national pride those people take in their ‘countrymen’ is pretty insane, and it doesn’t matter just what % the ‘Filipino’ is in order for them to include him/her in their national identity.

Whenever Manny Pacquiao wins a fight (I mean WHENEVER), the president declares a national holiday, complete with no work for anyone.

I think Dana understands this phenomenon pretty well, and is tapping into it absolutely perfectly. His horse (Vera) might be faltering, but that doesn’t mean he’s not an effective icon for the Philippines.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Nov 25, 2008 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

You’ve shed some light on the situation I didn’t know existed.

Despite that, I still think Vera has been overpaid. They aren’t going to hit the Phillipines for probably another 6-8 months and this contract was signed over a year ago. Also, I highly doubt people know who Brandon Vera is but not Chuck Liddell. If they know Brandon Vera, that means they know MMA and the UFC. If they know MMA and the UFC, they know Chuck Liddell. That’s like saying people in the UK know who Michael Bisping is but not Chuck Liddell.

Either way, I think it was smart to hold on to Vera for the essential purpose of a Phillipino expansion, but the price tag has not been worth it. He has simply failed to become a star and even if he is able to string together some high profile wins, that does not make up for his failure to live up to the hype previously.

by dropkick101 on Nov 25, 2008 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Im a filipino, and i think Vera is a bigger star here than Chuck liddell..

And it is possible. I get your logic with those MMA fans = knows chuck liddell, but here, they know your name cause youre a star in the US, even if they havent seen you fight/perform.

People i know who doesnt know shit about the UFC knows vera.. they go like “ohh, thats the filipino from that ultimate fighting..” but they have no reactions when they see liddell.

But in general, both are stars and both are famous here, its just that even those not interested in the UFC know vera.

Another example is that there is never any UFC news on the sports page, EXCEPT when vera fights.. I even read a mark munoz article one time, but hardly anyone (aside from MMA fans) knows the WEC..

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by Anton Tabuena on Nov 25, 2008 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow.

So are you saying that a UFC would suffer in the Phillipines without the addition of Vera to the card?

And if so, what about another Phillipino fighter taking his place in the promotion? Isn’t that always a possibility?

by dropkick101 on Nov 25, 2008 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

vera would surely be on the card. so i dont think that’ll be an issue.. I just hope he’s only the co-main event at most and not main event.
They should put mark munoz, and Phillipe nover in the main card and probably pull 1 or 2 local filipino fighters for the undercard.
Add a good main event with some star power and big names then weve got a pretty good card.

They say that the card would happen in April i think. I dont think that another fighter can take his place at the moment because the two fighters i mentioned still needs to develop more and get some exposure..

(and vera needs to find his balls that he probably left during the contract dispute)

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by Anton Tabuena on Nov 26, 2008 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I could see Brandon Vera getting shelved in favour of Phillipe Novar from this season of TUF. He’s Phillipino, and if he gets a TUF contract, he’ll only cost 10% per fight of what Brandon Vera makes. Brandon Vera is not the only good Phillipino MMA guy , I’m sure they have a ton of great fighters at lighter weightclasses waiting to get picked up.

by Ubernoober on Nov 25, 2008 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

i dont think vera gets shelved cause he’d surely become a big draw here regardless of the outcomes of his fights.
But i actually hope Nover makes it big and fights here, cause for me, vera is a reallyyyy big disappointment.
Mark munoz could also be included since he’s also filipino and they would probably sign a couple of local fighters. But i doubt they keep half of them past the Philippines card.

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by Anton Tabuena on Nov 25, 2008 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re right. If Nover wins, Vera becomes expendable.

by cyph on Nov 26, 2008 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

How was Hughes the main draw of that fight? I seriously doubt that Hughes did anywhere near that level of ppv buys prior to that fight.

by zeroword on Nov 27, 2008 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

this a typo?

States and Affliction did just that with the reported million dollar signing bonus and $300,000,000 fight salary.

That a 300k fight salary or 300 million dollar fight salary?

by Gunslinger20 on Nov 25, 2008 2:10 PM EST reply actions  

Holy shit... he's not Jesus reborn or a Jonas Brother...

lol…. he must poop out large diamond encrusted gold eggs to be paid that much.

No one tell Alex Rodriguez about this…

by Gunslinger20 on Nov 25, 2008 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

You shouldn't have corrected it...

There are probably some Fedor fans that would have agreed with that wage… lol.

The man should own half of Russia by now…

by Gunslinger20 on Nov 25, 2008 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

The only over paid guy was Johnnie Morton. K-1 must have assumed that, as a former NFL player, he’d be a bigger draw. Must have been something when they found out he pissed dirty!

by Drewplata on Nov 25, 2008 2:19 PM EST reply actions  

But no one else in MMA has ever been over paid or under paid – everyone is always given the exact amount that they’re worth? I don’t buy it. That’s not the case in any industry – there are always going to be those that take advantage and those that are taken advantage of.

by dropkick101 on Nov 25, 2008 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Morton

Actually morton wasn’t overpaid he never recieved any of his money. So he got what he was worth. He refused to taking a drug test after and since he tested positive before the fight the CSAC denied his purse. And he ended up having to pay fines. So he had to pay to fight.

by jks9202 on Nov 25, 2008 2:40 PM EST reply actions  

You call what he did fighting?

Where I come from we call what happened to Johnnie Morton a near ritual killing…

Jermaine Wiggins is the next NFL’er to try his hand in the MMA game… curious to see how he does.

by Gunslinger20 on Nov 25, 2008 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

If he actually trains appropriately first, who knows. Look at Brock Lesnar – he came in as a stellar athlete from a different sport but trained the right way before he ever fought. His wrestling base didn’t hurt either.

There’s no way Morton prepared the right way. If he invested any type of real time into training, he wouldn’t have quit after one fight. He probably got himself a boxing coach before the fight and started juicing – thinking it was adequate. 38 seconds and one failed drug test later he found out the truth.

by dropkick101 on Nov 25, 2008 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I know. I should have referenced that here but the major point is that FEG actually signed him to that contract and were prepared to pay him.

by dropkick101 on Nov 25, 2008 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Timmy Timmy Timmy Tim-my….

Take note, Affliction fans: three of the top five (and four of the top seven) were overpaid by Tom and company.

by Derek Suboticki on Nov 25, 2008 3:01 PM EST reply actions  

Keep in mind that when Cro Cop signed that contract, he was considered the most feared heavyweight in the world not named Fedor.

And I disagree with Royce. Like him or not he is the original legend in our sport and is the reason why anyone even knows what BJJ is. He deserves it IMO.

by Zack Gobie on Nov 25, 2008 4:28 PM EST reply actions  

How could you question the Cro Cop deal?

I agree with Zack. Looking at Cro Cop’s run through Pride, why would you NOT have a great feeling about his marketability in the UFC? If he showed any of his former self in the octagon, we’d be talking about Cro Cop instead of Lesnar.

Ok, his fight against Eddie Sanchez was pretty lackluster. But it could be excused by attributing it to him getting acquainted to fighting in a cage (plus Sanchez didn’t give him much to work with).

Next, his fight with Gonzaga – who knows what might’ve happened if not for the infamous head kick? At least, I can see Dana White and company believing that. He got caught, but seriously, that could’ve happened to anyone.

Now, the Kongo fight- Wow! He sucked! I mean bad. But, UFC tossed him after that fight.

So all in all, I think they made a smart investment that simply didn’t work out for them in the end. Some of the fighters on this list got ridiculous sums of cas thrown at them. I just don’t think this deal was a bad one.

by flassasin24 on Nov 25, 2008 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

No, it wasn’t. All in all I think it was a pretty fair deal at the time. Plus, I’m a huge Cro Cop fan.

This list includes different situations where a guy is overpaid. The classic situation is Sylvia’s deal for $800,000: “How could they have possibly signed in for that much? Tim is good but he’s just not worth that much!” one might say.

Cro Cop’s is a different situation. At the time Cro Cop entered the UFC, the company management, fighters, and fans alike all said the same thing: Cro Cop is the best heavyweight not named Fedor and is worth whatever you’re paying him. At the time of the deal. Looking at how his fights turned out in the company after the fact, he was essentially overpaid. The deal was fair when it was signed but after the three fights were completed it was apparent that the UFC invested more into Mirko’s checkbook than he was able to earn for the company. In that sense, he was overpaid.

So no, I’m not questioning the deal. You could probably couple the Vera deal in a similar situation as well. At the time it seemed like the right deal to make but after the fact it is apparent that it was basically a big waste of money – a seemingly smart investment that just didn’t pay off.

by dropkick101 on Nov 25, 2008 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Gonzaga fight

He didn’t just get caught. He was taken down and beaten up for much of the round. The kick landed because Cro Cop was still feeling the effects of the beating he received on the ground.

by Richard Wade on Nov 25, 2008 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

It could easily be argued that Kimbo was underpaid. Whether you think he sucks or not, the guy drew millions of fans to the tv screen. It’s not a Vera situation where he’s being paid well but nobody wants to watch him.

by MMAEruption on Nov 25, 2008 11:19 PM EST reply actions  

Please, make the ‘easy’ argument that $500,000 was not enough work for a show that destroyed EXC. I’m all ears.

by Derek Suboticki on Nov 25, 2008 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Gina Carano has a better case for being underpaid.

by iiowyn on Nov 26, 2008 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

US$35714.30

Is the amount that Kimbo got paid per second for his fight against Seth Petruzelli.

Great post – recd.

by rainmaker6 on Nov 26, 2008 1:11 AM EST reply actions  

by the way

I don’t agree with Royce either. Pretty much agree with everything else.

I see the point that you made in the comments about the difference between the Crocop/Vera deal and Tim Sylvia.

Also – Matt Lindland was ridiculously overpaid. How is he worth $375,000?? Maybe $35,000 is more like it. His name on a card doesn’t draw any extra eyeballs whatsoever.

by rainmaker6 on Nov 26, 2008 1:14 AM EST reply actions  

Looking at the list

Affliction have some morons running the show. Tom Atencio seems like a cool guy but man – they DO NOT know how to run an MMA business.

250,000 for Ben Rothwell!!!???

by rainmaker6 on Nov 26, 2008 1:16 AM EST reply actions  

Monte Cox is laughing all the way to the bank.

by bigweeze on Nov 26, 2008 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess there’s a reason Affliciton t shirts cost 60 bucks. They pass their overpaying philosophy on to the people.

by lbk on Nov 26, 2008 12:56 PM EST reply actions  

Nice post dropkick

Rec’d :)

Agree with all except for Royce.

by xFenixKnightx on Nov 26, 2008 2:21 PM EST reply actions  

Definitely don’t agree with Kimbo, and mostly don’t agree with Cro Cop or Vera. Despite Kimbo’s lack of ability as a fighter he was a tremendous draw for the promotion. His value to EliteXC far surpassed his actual fighting ability.

I agree that Cro Cop and Vera look overpaid now, but at the time those looked like good deals. At the time I don’t think anyone would have predicted either of them would have performed as poorly as they did in the UFC. Every once and a while a bad deal will get made. It’s different than the other fighters you named in that it was unreasonable to expect guys like Sylvia, Lindland, and Rothwell would be worth the salaries they drew.

by Andy R on Nov 26, 2008 3:26 PM EST reply actions  

I think the problem with some of the pay for K1 Dynamite was that FEG was paying for what would work in Japan but not necessarily the US. They might of figured that Morton would get some eyeballs for them and who could imagine the nightmare that would turn into(while FEG definitely overpaid at least Morton didn’t get the money). As for Gracie he’s earned the right to ask for that kind of money and people are still paying him.

Kimbo earned his money for the eyeballs he drew not for his sub par MMA skills. He wasn’t responsible for what happened to EliteXC he was just one of the symptoms of their underlying problems. Yea he was overpaid for the last EliteXC show but then everything about that situation was a disaster and it’s hard to blame the guy for wanting more money in that crappy situation.

Vera and Cro Cop were both calculated risk situations, as are the signings of most of the top paid fighters, sometimes it just doesn’t work out. Of course it seems the plans for expansion into the Philippines is the main reason Vera hasn’t joined Werdum in the unemployment line?

As for Affliction, I don’t think they really thought things through or actually worked out a serious business plan before they started promoting MMA. It’s almost like they came straight out of the Sherdog forum with a hairbrained scheme to shock the world and save MMA. I can understand that they needed to pay fighters more to lure them away from established companies but it doesn’t even seem like they even negotiated with these guys. They overpaid everyone and many of the payouts were just plain astounding.

by who me on Nov 26, 2008 3:47 PM EST reply actions  

MMA Fighters Over Paid?

Have you considered that using a media outlet to express your opinions of what a fighter’s salary should be is doing a disservice to all MMA fighters? In an economic down turn, you’re suggesting that a professional MMA fighter, no matter what caliber, is not worth a substantial amount of money. The highest paid MMA fighter on your list Fedor, is also the top pound-for-pound fighter in the world. As most fans of MMA, I believe fighters are by far UNDER PAID. To use boxing as an example, Oscar De La Hoya will make 15 million and his opponent 10 million no mater the outcome of their upcoming fight. While boxing does bigger PPV numbers, MMA numbers could defiantly justify paying its stars much more money. While your list is entertaining, it is flawed from the concept.

Terry LeDon

by Tangy Terry on Nov 26, 2008 4:08 PM EST reply actions  

It’s not flawed from the concept. People in any industry are paid their market value in reasonable situations. In many of the situations cited here fighters were paid well above their market value ($250,000 for Ben Rothwell on an undercard fight? C’mon.) Currently, in the MMA market, fighters are not worth the $15 million pay days we see in boxing. Oscar De La Hoya’s name alone sells a pay-per-view and anyone put in the ring with him is a superstar in the sport as well. On top of that, the business model in boxing is much different than we see in MMA. In MMA, the promotion takes care of all the expenses of setting up and advertising an event while in boxing, in most cases, the fighters themselves work out the deals and put on the show. The MMA market simply can’t sustain $15 million paydays for fighters in it’s current model.

I think a large amount of MMA fighters are underpaid. I have already stated as much. This list is comparing these salaries to those that we normally see.

And how is calling attention to an obvious fact doing a disservice?
There are those who are underpaid and overpaid in any business – here I list those who are overpaid. If anything, it would be doing a service to the underpaid fighters to be able to say "Look what so-and-so made at your last event. He wasn’t worth close to that yet your offering me only $X? What the hell!

by dropkick101 on Nov 26, 2008 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Who decides?

Who determines market value? “People in any industry are paid their market value in reasonable situations.” And what makes for a reasonable situation? My point being, MMA fighters by market value are mostly UNDER PAID. Using Fedor for example, Affliction needed a top ranked athlete to lend attention and credibility to their brand. Fedor and Tim were both walking and talking ads. Does market value take that into consideration?

Terry LeDon

by Tangy Terry on Nov 26, 2008 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think you understand the concept of market value.

by Richard Wade on Nov 26, 2008 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

What any of us say about under and over pay is just opinion. You say they are all underpaid by market value but do you honestly have any facts to back that up or is it just your opinion that they are all underpaid? There is nothing wrong with opinions, heck that’s what makes discussions like this so entertaining but don’t mistake opinion for some kind of fact.

by who me on Nov 26, 2008 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

You are misinterpreting market value.

To clarify, the market of a given industry determines the value of it’s goods and services. I can’t explain this in a more detailed way except to use the extreme example of Tim Sylvia’s Affliction pay. Tim could and would not get paid such a high number anywhere else. The event itself made a fraction of what a normal UFC eventwould make yet Tim was paid more than double his usual salary. Most importantly, the event did not garner a profit and a big reason for that is salaries like Tim’s. Accordingly, what he was paid was more than his market value.

by dropkick101 on Nov 28, 2008 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Sylvia made a lot more than just double. His UFC pay was $100k with a $100k win bonus, Affliction paid him $800k for a loss. They paid him more than 4 times what he was making in the UFC for under a minute in the ring. It could be argued that Tim Sylvia was due a raise from the UFC but it’s pretty obvious that Affliction overpaid for a guy they should of been able to sign for less. Hell they could of put on a whole Strikeforce level show for what they paid for Tim Sylvia alone.

by who me on Nov 28, 2008 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re comparing Tom Hanks to the Sundance Film Festival here.

There is nothing like Oscar in MMA and nobody like him that can generate the PPV revenues he has over the years.

Flawed concept. <— !

by DirtyML on Nov 26, 2008 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Now that is really funny. In a time where people who actually have jobs that matter to society like teachers, policemen and firemen are lucky if they make 40k in a whole year I don’t think it’s much of a disservice to the sport to discuss prize fighters who can be making over a million a year that might be overpaid. We are fans and this is a sport it’s perfectly fine for us to discuss the positive and negatives of their pay if we want to and there is nothing wrong at pointing out that guys making a millions dollars doing anything at all may be overpaid. It’s all just opinion anyway and there is absolutely nothing wrong with having an opinion on the internet.

As far as De La Hoya goes, for one he owns the production company, of course he makes huge money; for two that is boxing not MMA, it’s a completely different business model that works in a entirely different way(it’s also a sport that has some serious problems, including overpaying of stars); and then there is the fact that the vast majority of professional boxers don’t make squat it’s just the top stars that are making real money at it. Comparing MMA and any other sport quickly gets real complicated and has very little true value to proving any point about pay.

by who me on Nov 26, 2008 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

MMA is NOT Boxing

A few you have pointed out I used boxing as an example. I also said boxing was different from MMA due to much higher volume of PPV buys. So yea, I know boxing is not MMA.
The major point that you all are over looking is that ad dollars are mixed in with fight dollars. So, market value is not the only thing to look at when it comes to an opinion of under and over paid. The article makes it seem like these guys are lucky to have made that much money when I think the truth is that’s about what MMA fighter should be making in some cases.

BTW, BE is best place to read about MMA. The writers and fans make this a place to check EVERYDAY!

Terry LeDon

by Tangy Terry on Nov 26, 2008 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Richard is right and you don’t understand what “Market Value” means.

You also don’t seem to get that Boxing and MMA are two entirely different sports with entirely different advertising and business models. It’s not the number of PPVs sold(the UFC regularly outsells HBO boxing ppvs) it’s the fact that it is two entirely different businesses run in two entirely different ways that aren’t really compatible for making comparisons with each other like that. What De La Hoya makes tells you nothing about what any MMA fighter should or shouldn’t be making, things are just way more complicated than that.

On Brandon Vera’s new contract he has gone 1-3 and the win was a joke so it’s pretty easy to say that he is lucky to still be making what he makes at this point(just ask Fabricio Werdum about that), particularly compared to all the other MMA fighters that make way less than him and are currently performing at a higher level. When compared to Kenny Florian’s 80k for beating Joe Stevenson, Vera’s 200k for beating Reese Andy does give the impression that Vera is being overpaid currently.

by who me on Nov 26, 2008 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Underpaid List?

This entire concept reeks. We all know a certain promotion hides or as rumors persist pays their fighters less than the market would suggest. Fox News would call this a talking point.

by bignerd on Nov 27, 2008 4:48 AM EST reply actions  

One issue not brought up is UFC doesn’t officially release fighters compensation. Legally they have disclose the fight purse, still they insist they pay their fighters more.

How can you legitimately compile a Top 10 Overpaid list when you have a lack of financial figures for the largest MMA promotion in the world?

Also, I wouldn’t mind a less than $10k for fringe fighters but UFC practically dictates these guys must train full time. $10k for three months work? Especially when the promotion is going to walk away with millions in profit.

by bignerd on Nov 28, 2008 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Simple: you compile a list based on the information you do have. Unavailable information is just that: unavailable.

by dropkick101 on Nov 29, 2008 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with the above…the UNDERPAID list would be soaked with the entire UFC roster. Overpaid is MUCH more difficult to quantify than underpaid.

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by DocWagner on Nov 27, 2008 11:47 AM EST reply actions  

Well when you only include the disclosed pay. yes. WEC and other promotions are far worse. I think Kazuo Misaki only got 1200 in his last fight at Strikeforce.

by Discman2 on Nov 27, 2008 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

It was released that he made $1,400 but he most definitely received a certain undisclosed amount that was not released. The guy has a level of name value most don’t and he was fighting far away from home against a tough opponent. He absolutely made more than that.

by dropkick101 on Nov 28, 2008 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Disclosed pay for foreign based fighters

is always BS. They get taxed ridiculously high because they are working in a foreign country. Misaki probably got 10 K wired to Japan for his services off the books

by skwirrl on Nov 30, 2008 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

That is the initial reaction, that UFC underpays their fighters. But take a look at it…

first timers, fringe UFC guys, etc…—make around 5k just to fight, more if they win and much more if they fight spectacularly. Then look at Strikeforce, WEC, etc… they pay anywhere from 1k to 3k and much smaller bonuses. Also, these guys aren’t trying to make their salary with these fights, so much as they are trying to get a break, make a name for themselves and move up the pay scale.

Stars—OK, there are certainly some instances where these guys don;t make as much as they should. Old contracts, bad contracts, etc. But say Randy makes 250k for a fight, plus bonuses, endorsements, etc… and he will make that consistently with the UFC. Then you get somebody like Sylvia getting 800k in Affliction, who lost money and likely will not survive long term. So which is worse?

The point is, you can’t make a blanket statement. In any org there are guys making to little or to much. Would you want to go to work for a company paying you 250k a year, only to have them go under 2 months later?

Bottom line is the UFC is a business and they are there to make money. Sylvia probably never would have been in position for that 800k payday, if not for the UFC. I hope to see fighter pay get higher in the near future, but overpaying these guys is causing as big or bigger problem right now.

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by BJJDenver on Nov 28, 2008 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

For some reason there are people that seem to take MMA pay very personal and act like saying any fighter is overpaid is a horrible offense and I just don’t get that. If you want to talk about the guys making less than $10,000 a fight then I am right there with them being underpaid for what they do but any of these guys making $100,000 a fight or more are in the top 1% of income in the US I think it’s ok if we discuss their pay without worrying we are hurting the sport.

When talking about MMA pay in a thread like this then you are comparing what some MMA fighters make to what other MMA fighters make. Tim Sylvia made enough in his last fight to keep a half dozen MMA fighters gainfully employed for a entire year and he’s only won 1 fight since 2006, by comparison to what most MMA fighters are making he does seem to be a bit overpaid.

by who me on Nov 28, 2008 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. I don’t even know how you make an argument for the other side. It doesn’t make sense. All these guys that come out of the wood work crying that something is a disservice to fighters and the like don’t get the big picture: These guys aren’t starving. They chose to get into this business after weighing in all the other factors one might consider when getting making such a big life choice. They knew the finances of it and what they would be giving up.

Either way, making a subjective opinion based article on the overcompensation of certain individuals does nothing to hurt those on the other end of the pay scale.

by dropkick101 on Nov 29, 2008 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

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