Lorenzo Fertitta: Mythical Voice of Reason

Perhaps it is because people just really want to see Dana White put in his place, but observers are again deciding to interpret the latest UFC drama with Jon Fitch as a sign that Lorenzo is there to fix things when that crazy hot head Dana White flies off the handle.
Steve Cofield offers the corrective that should have been obvious to everyone:
Fitch paints a picture portraying UFC president Dana White as the root of the problem in the squabble and that owner Lorenzo Fertitta was the voice of reason. Kevin Iole of Yahoo! Sports told ESPNRadio1100 in a radio interview on Thursday that during a telephone interview with White on Wednesday, Fertitta was just as impassioned and could be heard in the background backing strongly exactly what the very angry White was saying about Fitch.
People choose to fit stories into their own view of reality, and that's fine, but here is the bottom line: Dana and Lorenzo are inseparable. They don't make major decisions without each other. They live next door to each other. They are practically blood brothers. The idea of some kind of power struggle or split is preposterous.
Good cop, bad cop.
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Ok, but what was Lorenzo saying to Fitch during their discussion? Isn’t that the more relevant detail? He could be very impassioned about the issue and yet use more finesse when talking to Fitch himself. Obviously we don’t know for sure either way.
by Luke Thomas on Nov 21, 2008 5:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Obviously he was just as furious, and played good cop when Fitch called to smooth things over. The idea that Dana just blew up and Lorenzo is cleaning up is clearly proven wrong.
by Michael Rome on Nov 21, 2008 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I’m missing something here, but I’m not sure how that blurb really proves anything. Iole said he (Lorenzo) “could be heard in the background backing strongly…”
What the hell does backing strongly mean? What was White specifically saying that he was agreeing with?
by Mike Fagan on Nov 21, 2008 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There is no doubt Lorenzo was part of the decision to cut Fitch.
by Michael Rome on Nov 21, 2008 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I never said he didn’t. My point is that if he’s only keeping up with the negotiations through Dana, of course he’ll end up agreeing with Dana.
by Mike Fagan on Nov 21, 2008 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And you have proof of this decision by Lorenzo? Lets not confuse what you think is true with what is unequivocally true.
by cyph on Nov 21, 2008 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t really trust anything Iole says, especially in regards to the UFC and Dana White specifically.
Lorenzo may have been just as upset about the situation, but if he was only hearing about negotiations from Dana without being directly involved, he’s going to get a skewed version of the story.
Regardless of what actually happened, this seems more like “Mom said no, go ask Dad” than “Good cop, bad cop.”
by Mike Fagan on Nov 21, 2008 5:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
There are two sides of the story. Dana tells his version of the story, of course Lorenzo would agree with it. Then he talks to Fitch and listen to Fitch’s side of the story (and then, Fitch has backed down from his demands).
Perhaps Lorenzo is no saint, but it seems so far fetched to me that Lorenzo would scheme this good cop/bad cop thing just to get Fitch to sign. Most AKA members would have fallen in line anyway with Fitch getting cut. Why throw out this elaborate PR stunt just to get Fitch to sign? There is absolutely no reason for Lorenzo to resign Fitch if he didn’t believe that Dana is in the wrong. This is not a positive PR stunt (and no, it’s not only on the message board considering MMA news media are reporting it) no matter how you spin it. To play good cop/bad cop just to get Fitch to sign seems awfully silly to me.
People choose to fit stories into their own view of reality,
I agree with that since it cuts both ways.
by cyph on Nov 21, 2008 6:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How did dad say yes when Fitch signed the exact agreement…
The reality is Cook never expected this and was shitting his pants…
THEY were conciliatory… Lorenzo only gave them an avenue to come back.
by mmalogic on Nov 21, 2008 7:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Here’s my theory:
Dana threw his tantrum and “off with their heads!”
Lorenzo said “you did what?”
Dana gave his version of the story about those hard asses at AKA.
Lorenzo agrees, “yeah, those a-holes!”
Story blew up. UFC looks bad.
Lorenzo said “Dana, my boy, you done fucked up!”
Fitch calls Dana and Dana gives the phone to Lorenzo.
Fitch says: “Mea culpa! I’ll sign my life away, just please take me back!”
Lorenzo says: “Deal!”
There. No elaborate hook and fish scheme. It falls perfectly in line with what we know about Dana; he holds grudges and blows up spectacularly.
by cyph on Nov 21, 2008 7:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Your lifetime video game likeness rights currently have a value to them, but I’m sure Fitch realized they weren’t worth fighting over considering what he would lose by leaving (competition, $$$).
I’m not so sure either why people want to call Lorenzo the good guy. Dana is the figurehead and mouthpiece for the organization and it seems the bad guy when convenient. Don’t think for a second that Lorenzo isn’t happy with the way things went. He got what he wanted, and now fighters will appreciate the platform and opportunity the UFC provides them. If they don’t want to be there, they can join the legion of fighters who have chosen to fight elsewhere.
The recent trend online has been to say that the fighters hold all of the power in MMA. But it’s not true, the UFC has built itself into a company worth more than the fighters under contract, in stark constrast to Affliction (which is worth less than all of its overpriced contracts).
by bigweeze on Nov 21, 2008 7:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think people are missing the real story here and focusing on Dana/Lorenzo…
Lorenzo was taking Dana’s lead on this.
And it paid off in spades. (which is the real story)
by mmalogic on Nov 21, 2008 7:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They got his name on the paper. How on earth did the ‘story blowing up’ do anything but get done what they wanted to get done?
by subo on Nov 22, 2008 3:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
“It falls perfectly in line with what we know about Dana; he holds grudges and blows up spectacularly.”
We know that about Dana? To me, that has always been a lot more show and image than substance.
Is it just coincidence that all the fighters that Dana supposedly has a grudge against, have more relevant reasons for not being in the UFC, like money or lack of marketability?
While Dana certainly shouted and made himself look like an ass, I have absolutely zero doubt that Fitch and AKA getting punted was a coherent decision with the backing of the entire UFC. I mean, isn’t that the most logical answer, considering the result is a huge plus for the UFC? The blogosphere largely has the same opinion they always had, but now the camps and the fighters know damn well to shut up and toe the line.
by Michaelthebox on Nov 21, 2008 9:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lorenzo may have been just as upset about the situation, but if he was only hearing about negotiations from Dana without being directly involved, he’s going to get a skewed version of the story.
I’m assuming Lorenzo has heard both sides by now.
All that needs to be asked is as to whether or not Dana will be punished for severing ties to a whole camp (and intimating threats to others).
If they were not in lockstep, that would be a little disheartening to Lorenzo.
by Eugene Schelfaut on Nov 21, 2008 8:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Either way, the issue of how UFC treats its fighters, particularly when it comes to contract negotiation, still looms large.
by smoogy on Nov 21, 2008 5:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sam Caplan Has the Best Write Up Of What Transpired The Last 2 Days
But perhaps I’m not the one who is naive. To suggest that Ferttita had no advanced warning of Fitch’s impending release is a suggestion that defies logic. He had to have known. I don’t buy this notion that White is the sole power broker in the UFC, as my theory has been for quite some time that White is nothing more than attack dog. Dana does all the neccessary dirty work while the Fertittas continue to come off smelling like roses so they can walk the streets of Vegas with their heads held high. If true, it’s an effective strategy and a strategy that must be considered as a possibility when trying to crucify White for what transpired this week. Zuffa utilzied the good cop/bad cop dynamic with Fertitta and White while trying to negotiate the PRIDE buyout so it wouldn’t surprise me if this was yet again the case. To only hold White accountable would be irresponsible.
But I am not making excuses for White. His radio appearance on "The Carmichael Dave Show" earlier this week was not one of his proudest moments. White was angry and stressed out and in no condition to be doing any public speaking. At times, he came across as a man on the verge of losing it. He’s no doubt overworked right now but that’s nobody’s fault but his own.
To hear him complain about the sacrifices he makes on a daily basis with the expectation that his employees should repay him by going along to get along is insulting. Does he not understand that he isn’t the only person in his company making sacrifices? Zuffa is understaffed and everyone in that company that I’ve ever encountered is nothing short of a go-getter. And how can White be so flippant about the sacrifices that a fighter makes on a daily basis? The injuries (short-term and long-term); the toll on a fighter’s personal life brought about by long training camps; weight management and not being able to enjoy food; and the overall lack of security (no health benefits provided by employer, no 401K, no worker’s compensation, etc.) is a lifestyle all successful fighters must endure.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 21, 2008 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The entire write up is good.
I just put a small piece. Everyone should read it. Link is above.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 21, 2008 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it’s a good write up. I particularly like this part about Dana:
…he doesn’t have an exclusivety on hard work and sacrifice.
I also like how he talked about Fitch becoming a bigger name as a result of this fubar, instead of when he fought through a 5 round beating from GSP. I guess there is no such thing as bad publicity.
by pud333 on Nov 21, 2008 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Smoogy offers the best
One sentence writeup of the situation. FIGHTERS UNION.
by skwirrl on Nov 21, 2008 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I own a marketing company and am a very nice guy who doesnt like to say no.
As a manager/minority owner I employ a guy who has no problem being a jerk to employees and associates alike.
People used to try to go around him and come directly to me with issues but I always told them to go speak to the other guy.
It quickly became clear that while he was the “bad guy”, it was not at his prerogative.
This situation mirrors the UFC precisely and is why I often laugh at Dana specific bashing.
by Evil-Uncle on Nov 21, 2008 5:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It’s fine that Dana’s a jerk and/or hardass at the negotiating table. It’s probably a trait of being good at negotiating. But he also seems to take disagreements with managers and agents personally and gets hot-headed about it. That is unequivocally a bad trait for negotiating (and any other industry for that matter).
by Mike Fagan on Nov 21, 2008 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Saddam Hussein was a sweetheart until he had to run a country where different types of people were on the brink of civil war every day.
by mmalogic on Nov 21, 2008 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh good, now we’re comparing Dana White to Saddam Hussein.
by Brett Jones on Nov 21, 2008 8:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
People choose to fit stories into their own view of reality, and that’s fine, but here is the bottom line: Dana and Lorenzo are inseparable. They don’t make major decisions without each other. They live next door to each other. They are practically blood brothers. The idea of some kind of power struggle or split is preposterous.
Good cop, bad cop.
I heard they conspired to kill Kennedy.
(yeah, I had to do it to ya)
by mythbuster on Nov 21, 2008 7:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This is a case where Zinkin thought he could take a shot and not only did it get stuffed but he got mounted by an 800 lb gorilla with no time limit…
by mmalogic on Nov 21, 2008 7:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think anyone perceives a split. More like Lorenzo can take a step back, collect himself and move onto resolving the situation. Whereas Dana White will just keep flying off the handle.
Nice comment about Lole, I think its more of what he doesn’t report than what he does that leaves me to question him.
by bignerd on Nov 21, 2008 7:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
CAUTION:
You can’t believe a whole lot of Kevin Iole’s comments on issues like this because Dana has his hand up his ass to control his little puppet.
by Higgz on Nov 21, 2008 8:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
On what issues does one seek out Iole’s opinion? Douchecockery?
by subo on Nov 22, 2008 3:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t even care who did what behind the scenes.
I am just sick and tired of Dana badmouthing others in public, weather it be fighters, promoters or agents. Its just unprofessional. You don’t air personal laundry in public.
Lorenzo seems to understand this and Dana dosen’t.
by feyrerm on Nov 21, 2008 9:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Which goes to show you don’t understand what this thread is about at all.
Michael Rome’s whole point is that Lorenzo and Dana work together. Dana’s the supposed badmouthing, shittalking, fighter trashing asshole, while Lorenzo is the voice of reason.
Its a crock of bullshit, a ruse, a game played to confuse and befuddle. And you bought it.
by Michaelthebox on Nov 21, 2008 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It really does seem obvious though, doesn’t it? I mean, I remember when Dana announced that Lorenzo was coming over, I thought to myself that they might be setting exactly this type of scenario up. Let Dana do the ‘dirty work’ and keep Lorenzo above the fray. Makes more sense, anyways, since the Fertitas need to keep themselves cleaner than Dana does due to their gaming licenses.
It really does seem to be working though, so congratulations to them for their flawless execution of such a simple, solid strategy.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Nov 21, 2008 9:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What doesn’t Dana understand?
He wanted Fitch to sign a piece of paper.
In the end, Fitch signed the piece of paper?
People are acting like Lorenzo went behind Dana’s back and did something that’s going to make him upset. All Lorenzo did was exactly what Dana wanted?
by Phildo on Nov 21, 2008 10:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The UFC didn’t come off looking bad, Fitch ends up looking like a crybaby who didn’t stick up for his own precious principles.
Now he claims that it had nothing to do with the terms, just how it was presented. I call B@#L Sh%$.
by dualdiagnosis on Nov 21, 2008 9:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Fitch comes off as a bit of a whiner, especially since the whole thing was resolved in like two days.
I’m still really happy that he’s back with the UFC, though.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Nov 21, 2008 9:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But if your employer comes on all strong and disrespectful to you – bullying and threatening, it will get you defensive straight away.
My number one hate in business is when a boss makes demands of you instead of just asking nicely.
by Benicio on Nov 21, 2008 9:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
alot of retards including John Fitch dont realize Lorenzo said almost word for word the exact same thing Dana initially said…
if somehow he now understands why the ufc needs it and why he should sign it… then that’s his retarded managers fault not Dana’s.
Dana never spoke to John Fitch only to his managers.
by mmalogic on Nov 21, 2008 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t believe the UFC does this to their fighters. The UFC needs to show more respect to their fighters. Yes, I know that Dana is responsible for making the fighters stars, but he owes them just as much. The fighters would be nothing without the UFC and the UFC would be nothing without the fighters. Huerta, Couture, and Fitch are stand up guys. When it was just Tito complaining, I thought he was just greedy and unappreciative, but when all these dudes started complaining, I realized it was Dana at fault. He’s very disrespectful to alot of these guys and thinks they owe him everything. He owes them just as much. Fitch is a warrior and a #2 welterweight. He doesn’t deserve this disrespect.
by Josh H. on Nov 21, 2008 10:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What disrespect?
Fitch has no problems with the contract, his management told him to sign it, many other, bigger name fighters signed it.
by dualdiagnosis on Nov 22, 2008 3:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"The idea of some kind of power struggle or split is preposterous."
I don’t think there could be a power struggle when Lorenzo owns upwards of 40% of Zuffa and Dana White owns about 10%.
by DirtyML on Nov 21, 2008 10:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thank you Michael for finally putting this myth to rest, Lorenzo and Dana are basically the same person when it comes to the way that they run their business. While Dana is loud and angry Lorenzo is more laid back but they don’t do anything without the others approval. That has been proven over and over again with the Tito and Randy situations, anyone who believes that he went over Dana’s head is lying to themselves. Dana used this situation to send a message to every fighter and team out there that if you play hardball with them you’ll get beat over the head with a bat because of it. And in the end Lorenzo allows Fitch to save face and come back but only after doing exactly what he claimed he didn’t want to do in the first place. call it Good cop, bad cop or ruthless business practices but regardless once again Zuffa proved that no matter how many crybaby bloggers get their feelings hurt they run things with an iron fist and will continue to do so in the future.
by Raker on Nov 22, 2008 1:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The final words
Lorenzo and the UFC didn’t need to re-sign Fitch. That’s a fact. Lorenzo resigned Fitch when Dana would not. Now, you can look at this two ways:
1. Glass half full: Lorenzo is a reasonable guy.
2. Glass half empty: Lorenzo and Dana are two peas in pod: brash, impulsive and vulgar.
Nothing he’s done has shown that he isn’t number 1. Being a businessman and a decent human being isn’t mutually exclusive. I’ll put my tin foil hat back on now.
by cyph on Nov 22, 2008 9:59 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
This is just wrong.
On Wednesday, Dana wanted Fitch to be in the UFC with the paper signed at the end of the day.
On Thursday, Fitch signed the paper and was back in the UFC.
Who knows what Lorenzo thought on Wednesday, but when has he ever wanted something different than Dana in the past? Whether it’s Fedor being irrelevant or anything else, they’re always on the same page.
by Phildo on Nov 22, 2008 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We don’t know what Lorenzo thought, unless you’re saying you know the ins and outs of the UFC. What I’m saying is that we can only interpret what happened through the actions that we see. Twice that I can remember Lorenzo has to intervened. Once was when Dana White and Tito Ortiz blew up, the second is with Fitch. Is there a modus operandi here that you see?
Why didn’t good cop/ bad cop work with Arlovski? Sylvia? Randy? I remember Dana handling the negotiations the whole time. Why didn’t they play good cop/bad cop with Randy or Arlovski, much bigger stars than Fitch? Why didn’t Dana turn on Arlovski, Sylvia, and Couture and blow up like he did like this time? This is the first time I’ve seen Dana blew up and went public like this with any fighter, let alone the entire camp. Even in the Ortiz case, Dana never went this far and cut him before going public with his grievances. And what guarantee is there that this would work? What if AKA and Fitch said “screw it” and left for good? Was there 100% certainty that Fitch and AKA would acquiesce when previous negotiations with Arlovski, Sylvia, and Randy didn’t even when the negotiations were more cordial?
Sorry, I still can’t believe that Lorenzo and Dana are just two scheming bastards who did this giant stunt on purpose. There has been no precedence with their previous negotiations that they would do this. And to blacklist a whole camp is just a bit much since there is no guarantee that AKA would have backed down. I believe the blow up was real and not some good cop/bad cop scenario.
by cyph on Nov 22, 2008 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently the agreement Fitch signed with Lorenzo is different from the original one that Dana wanted. Doesn’t this look like Lorenzo overruled Dana on this one to bring Fitch back? Wouldn’t it be easier for Zuffa to give his this deal in the first place rather than cut him and all of AKA, then only to resign him with a modified agreement which he would have agreed to in the first place?
by cyph on Nov 22, 2008 6:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I will generally listen to mmalogic on the workings of Zuffa.
by iiowyn on Nov 22, 2008 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lololol at anyone who thinks that Dana isn’t supported by the Fertittas.
Hey, you know what? You need a bad guy? Fine I’ll be the bad guy. You guys just keep counting the money and splitting it up. I will go be the bad guy, no problem.—-What I imagine Dana’s perspective to be.
http://eliotmarshall.com/
by BJJDenver on Nov 22, 2008 1:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
At a 10% stake in the UFC
Dana is happy to do anything that grows the brand. Doesn’t matter what his public image becomes along the way.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Nov 22, 2008 6:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I also think he truly loves the sport as well, and believes growing the UFC grows the sport…which is pretty much true.
by iiowyn on Nov 22, 2008 10:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At this point, he’s absolutely right. Growing the UFC is the best thing for growing MMA.
It will splinter eventually, there will be enough disgruntled fighters that there will exist sufficient star power outside the UFC ranks to provide a viable alternative, but it’s really going to have to be managed by a better group than the monkeys who’ve tried thus far.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Nov 23, 2008 11:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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