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Jim Ross Talks Brock Lesnar

http://www.jrsbarbq.com/blog/brock-lesnar-wins-ufc-heavyweight-titlerespect-mma-purists-may-come-later

Former WWE Champion Brock Lesnar won the UFC Heavyweight Title Saturday night in Las Vegas with a 2nd round TKO over UFC legend Randy Couture. Perhaps now MMA purists will acknowledge Lesnar's athletic abilities and not hold his tenure in the entertainment world of the WWE against him. But somehow I doubt it....at least not for now. 

The pro wrestling bias has never been more prominently displayed than by what I perceive to be a vocal minority of MMA fans against Lesnar simply because he signed with the WWE after an outstanding amateur wrestling career that was topped off by winning a NCAA Heavyweight Title in 2000 after finishing 2nd in the NCAA's in 1999 while wrestling for the University of Minnesota. 

When my fellow WWE officials first saw Lesnar,  it did not take a Mensa member to ascertain what an amazing physical specimen that he was. As the head of the WWE Talent Relations department at that time and ultimately responsible for finding, signing, and monitoring the training of future WWE stars, signing Brock was a no brainer. He flourished in the Louisville based training camp and was one of the great amateurs like Danny Hodge and Jack Brisco to make a virtual seamless transition from the amateur world of wrestling, the world's oldest recognized sport, to the world of entertainment/show biz  featuring great athletes aka pro wrestling. 

Brock's journey to the main roster in the WWE wasn't without its bumps in the road but collectively we got through them and Lesnar progressed in rapid fashion to the main talent roster of the WWE. Lesnar was earning 7 figures faster than any rookie I ever signed in my role in the talent department in the WWE and that includes such stars as Dwayne 'The Rock" Johnson and Kurt Angle.

Unfortunately Brock hated the amount of travel that it took to be a main event star in the WWE and earn the type of money that came with his "spot." He left the WWE primarily due to travel issues and embarked on another adventure as Brock tried to earn a roster spot with the NFL's  Minnesota Vikings.

When the NFL did not work out, Brock turned back to his long time roots and parlayed his grappling skills and amazing athletic gifts by signing with the UFC. Lesnar's name identity that he developed globally with the WWE made Brock marketable from day one but it also came with a pre-conditioned identity. Lesnar was a former pro wrestler and that stigma made the South Dakota farm boy a marked man from day one by many UFC fans. 

UFC promoters discovered what many successful pro wrestling promoters had known for years and that is their fan base would pay big money to see someone get their ass beat if that individual represented what the majority of the fan base disliked which could come in a variety of incarnations.  In the annals of pro wrestling, that could mean an evil  "German", a diabolical "Japanese", a menacing "Masked Man", or a flamboyant "Loud Mouth" among many personas.

Lesnar was none of these but he did have the "distasteful" pro wrestling stigma attached to him that will be a part of his UFC bio until the day he retires. Never mind that the guy was a superb amateur wrestler long before his short albeit successful stint in the WWE. "Dammit the guy was one of those pro 'rasslers and those guys have no business in any form of MMA."  Wrong.  

Simply being billed as a former WWE Champion was enough to make some MMA fans "hate" the 6'3"-275 pounder from day one. By the boos I heard Saturday night on PPV,  many UFC hardcore's still despise Lesnar and perhaps even more so now that Lesnar is "their" heavyweight champion and more specifically because Brock defeated "Captain America", the beloved, and deservedly respected, Randy Couture in such a dominating, no questions asked fashion. BTW Couture is a class act and a credit to the UFC. Hopefully, Couture will go down in weight and continue to fight as one can't help but love his passion and warrior spirit.  

However, now the UFC can promote Lesnar vs. virtually any qualified, MMA born and bred heavyweight they choose and the fans will be on board in the hopes of seeing Brock humbled and, more pointedly, beaten to a pulp. 

The same pro wrestling methodology that has been around for decades is now exactly what MMA hardcore fans are buying into. 

Of course, according to some of the MMA vocal minority, I, being a proud member of the pro wrestling community for many years,  have no business writing about a sport of which I am a huge fan on a website that our company owns. Shame on me. 

The pro wrestling bias isn't new nor is it going away any time soon. Some former wrestlers have reluctantly had to distance themselves from the genre to become successful in other fields. That's not because these individuals don't respect the fans or the wrestling business but it's because the decision makers of their new endeavors don't want to be associated with the wrestling biz.  

That's sad.

Brock Lesnar will likely never earn the full respect of the die hard, MMA, hard core fans. That's their loss. Lesnar is not without his faults, the same as any other human, but no one with a modicum of common sense can deny Brock's God given athletic gifts and the fact that because of his upbringing and his amateur wrestling background that Lesnar has a work ethic, and an ego, that will drive him to be the best in his field. 

I have seen this first hand but of course my opinion, being that of a 'rasslin announcer, means little. 

Brock Lesnar was "The Next Big Thing" at one time in the WWE and he is definitely "The Next Big Thing" today in the UFC. I expect Lesnar to continue to improve his MMA skills with his burning desire to be the best in his field.  The self proclaimed purists of the MMA world can like it or not but for sure they will keep buying tickets and pay per views to see one of their own destroy Lesnar.          

 

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That was a well written article

… and I wholeheartedly agree.

I found myself guilty of that mindset a few times, and even dismissed him when he first signed up as another sideshow like Kimbo. Obviously that’s a stupid mindset when you look at his background, and insane athletic abilities.

Now whether or not Brock Lesnar will help or hurt the UFC’s mainstream image has yet to be seen, but with the momentum the UFC currently has going, I don’t think it could do much damage if anyway. A year and a half ago I had to explain what MMA was, now every other high school or college kid I see has a Tapout shirt and a UFC hat on.

by EnsignFrog on Nov 17, 2008 1:26 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Very well reasoned and articulated.

I especially like the line: “The same pro wrestling methodology that has been around for decades is now exactly what MMA hardcore fans are buying into.”

Who a fighter is, where he comes from, or what he’s done means nothing come fight time (but it sure does help sell PPVs). Once the bell rings, all that matters is what you are as a fighter.

by bigweeze on Nov 17, 2008 2:14 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good ole’ J.R. FTW

by Tonley on Nov 17, 2008 2:27 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One thing is for sure, JR verbally beat down us MMA purists like the govenment mule.

by Zack Gobie on Nov 17, 2008 7:01 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Really well done.

And I agree. Its awkward for a guy like myself because I grew up watching wrestling, and I know its ‘fake’—-but the physicality they endure is quite real. Its kinda tough to be a fan of both and I continue to be left wondering “cant we all just get along?”.

by Slica on Nov 17, 2008 9:07 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

“Brock Lesnar will likely never earn the full respect of the die hard, MMA, hard core fans.”

First off, JR is the fucking man.

I hate the people associated with the stigma of the “die hard hardcores.” These people are those who give the rest of us a bad wrap. These are the guys on sherdog who post things likE “LESNAR SUCKS” and then have a list of random fighters at the bottom of their post, just to show everyone else they know who Gerard Mousasi is.

I think JR is right that this small contingent of idiots will never respect Lesnar, despite the fact that fighters they probably nuthug like Josh Barnett have spent considerable time in the pro wrestling ring. Aside from that, I know there is a considerable amount of educated, reasonable fans who were not at all happy with Lesnar being granted a title shot so quickly but I’m positive that these same people have at least begun to respect the man.

by dropkick101 on Nov 17, 2008 10:59 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good ol' JR

He’ll make a bad match good, a good match great and a great match legendary.

MMA purists are like boxing purists, only younger and with more ridiculous clothing.

by subo on Nov 17, 2008 12:35 PM EST reply reply actions actions   2 recs

You nailed it right on the head.

by Ubernoober on Nov 17, 2008 12:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

MMS Purists should realize that the Brock/Rancdy matchup harkened back to the original UFC’s when you put a larger man in there with a significantly larger man.

by lbk on Nov 17, 2008 2:52 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That wasn't Hackney v Yarborough

But the whole point of MMA is to match up different fighting styles. WWE isn’t a fighting style – amazing, dominant, elite level wrestling is. And Brock’s got it.

Add decent striking onto that and you’ve got a UFC Champion.

by subo on Nov 17, 2008 6:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Elite level wrestling, adequate striking combined with KO power, and a distinct strength and speed advantage over anyone in the heavyweight class. Brock may wind up becoming very dominant for a long time. If it’s true that he’s improved his submission defense and is able to get past Nog or Mir, I am very curious to see how he does against similar fighters to himself – namely Velasquez or Carwin.

If Brock wins his next two fights then I don’t know who will be able to stop him. ::cough:: UFC will be forced to sign Fedor ::cough::

by dropkick101 on Nov 17, 2008 8:44 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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