Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Bracketology 2012: Duke Finally Steps Up To The No. 1 Line

Will Followers of Professional Wrestling and Other Casual Fans Buy UFC 91?

1020_medium

Dana White estimated that UFC 91, headlined by Brock Lesnar and Randy Couture, will do approximately 1.2 million buys.  That's a pretty ambitious forecast, even from a gentlemen that never seems to undersell any aspect of his organization.  It's obvious that the battle between two of the promotion's most popular fighters will have to induce people that generally don't buy UFC events to buy Lesnar vs. Couture.  Within this group are enthusiasts of the sports entertainment genre - professional wrestling fans.  Lesnar, once a superstar of the WWE, has been touted as a bridge to these very fans since coming to the UFC. 

Kevin Eck, a pro wrestling blogger, contemplates the upcoming UFC event and its appeal: 

A growing number of wrestling Web sites are also covering MMA. In fact, just yesterday I received an e-mail from the Web master for marylandwrestling.com inviting me to take part in a new feature on the site – predicting the winners of UFC pay-per-views, beginning with tomorrow night’s UFC 91.

Speaking of which, the main event on that show is former WWE champion Brock Lesnar against Randy Couture. Lesnar and fellow ex-WWE superstar Bobby Lashley – who is scheduled to make his MMA debut next month – are the most recent examples of pro wrestlers who have ventured into MMA. Over the past 10 years, there also have been a number of fighters who have gone into wrestling.

I have never once considered checking out a UFC pay-per-view, but I have to admit that Lesnar-Couture has piqued my interest. Even someone as out of the MMA loop as I am knows who Couture is, and I am curious to see Lesnar compete in a legitimate fight against a strong opponent. I’m probably not going to watch the show, but I am at least thinking about it.

Thinking about buying an event for $44.95 is much different that actually pulling the trigger and buying it.  Certainly, the UFC is counting on these people to go beyond just pondering the purchase. 

I once thought that the UFC hype machine would fire on all cylinders in promoting Lesnar vs. Couture, but White and company really didn't exert much marketing effort between the main event's announcement and the week leading up to the affair.  Because of this and a less than stellar undercard, Ben Fowlkes and others are convinced that White's estimate will fall well short:

Star-divide

In other words, it's an outrageous claim. As with most such claims, it succeeds in getting attention for the man who makes it, but it isn't likely to come true.

White is betting on this fight's crossover appeal among pro wrestling fans, as well as among the existing MMA fans who have been eagerly awaiting Couture's return to action. With the intersecting storylines in this bout -- the ageless, prodigal champion against the flashy, beastly newcomer -- there's reason for optimism.

But the UFC's mistake is in pinning all its hopes on the main event, hoping fans won't notice the lackluster undercard. It's more like something you'd see on a boxing pay-per-view: one big fight, and the rest mostly filler. That's simply not the UFC at its best. It's the opposite of the strategy that got the organization to this point, one of stacking cards with compelling bouts like they've done with December's UFC 92 card.

That's why if UFC 91 doesn't live up to White's expectations (and it almost certainly won't) he can't blame Lesnar and Couture, but rather the mediocre lineup he's backing them with.

Many experts are of the belief that the main event sells the entire card.  This logic seems to shape events in the boxing industry.  While part of me would like to think that a significant number of consumers make buying decisions of this nature based on the total value of a product, it seems unlikely in this case.  What "hardcore" fan isn't going to tune into see Randy Couture, a legend of MMA, make his long awaited return against the physical anomaly that is Brock Lesnar?  How many people that don't normally tune into the UFC know many fighters beyond big names like Couture, Lesnar, or Liddell?

Success or failure, in terms of reaching the 1.2 million buy plateau, will have more to do with the effectiveness of the UFC's marketing for the event and the effect of macroeconomics on PPV purchases.  ESPN's increased coverage should give UFC 91 a lift, even if the UFC's own marketing hasn't been terribly aggressive.  But judging by the mediocre numbers posted by recent boxing efforts, a floundering economy may provide a headwind that deters many non-hardcore fans from purchasing UFC 91.  The actual event will have to deviate from the normal relationship with its preview show in order to achieve the buyrate that White is expecting, based on the ratings for UFC 91 Countdown.

Much like the main event, forecasting the number of buys for UFC 91 is complicated by a myriad of unanswered questions surrounding it.  At least some of the questions regarding the event and its participants should be answered at the conclusion of tonight's fights.

Comment 20 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

Mmapayout:

This PPV will certainly do a big number, likely exceeding the highwater mark for the year of 650,000 achieved for UFC 81, another card featuring Brock Lesnar. Lesnar’s PPV performance on that card generated sales disproportionate to the Countdown viewership, a scenario that is sure to be repeated with UFC 91. Lesnar joins Chuck Liddell as the only UFC performer who is able to move the number disproportionate to Countdown viewership.

UFC 81 card which got 650k buys:

Robert Emerson defeated Keita Nakamura by Split Decision
Marvin Eastman defeated Terry Martin by Unanimous Decision
Tim Boetsch defeated David Heath by TKO (Strikes) at 4:52 of Round 1
Chris Lytle defeated Kyle Bradley by TKO (Strikes) at 0:33 of Round 1
Tyson Griffin defeated Gleison Tibau by Decision
Ricardo Almeida defeated Rob Yundt by Submission (Guillotine Choke) at 1:08 of Round 1
Nathan Marquardt defeated Jeremy Horn by Submission (Guillotine Choke) at 1:37 of Round 2
Frank Mir defeated Brock Lesnar by Submission (Kneebar) at 1:30 of Round 1
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira defeated Tim Sylvia by Submission (Guillotine Choke) at 1:28 of Round 3

by Eugene Schelfaut on Nov 15, 2008 2:01 PM EST reply actions  

What will the total number of buys for 91 tell us?

Basically it will show us how much more popular a Couture fight is than a Nogueira & Sylvia fight.

I’m not sure why more wrestling fans are gonna come out now then came out for Lesnar’s grand entrance into the UFC (UFC 81). The extra buys are really there to see Couture.

I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!

by mma_dude on Nov 15, 2008 2:08 PM EST reply actions  

I think the reason they’re looking for more wrestling fans is that Lesnar is up against a well known guy in Couture for the title. So, you’re right in a way. Maybe, the sum of Couture and Lesnar is greater than the two parts? I don’t know, but I guess we’ll see.

by Cannon Jacques on Nov 15, 2008 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Hypothetically:

What would the PPV buys be if Couture was up against Fedor? Wouldn’t that be around a million buys? And if so, that should go towards the idea that Couture is really the draw here, not Lesnar. Fedor, certainly doesn’t have any popularity among casual fans.

I guess what I’m getting at is: Maybe the key to buys is really just getting all the MMA fans to show up.

I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!

by mma_dude on Nov 15, 2008 2:23 PM EST reply actions  

I am betting that Randy vs Fedor would have gotten a bigger hype push, and gotten less buys than 91 will.

by iiowyn on Nov 15, 2008 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll further that: Randy vs. Fedor would be the #4 drawing PPV this year, at best. Fedor is basically a non-draw.

by Michaelthebox on Nov 15, 2008 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Please please please if you talk about the countdown show, mention that it was on a different day and up against Monday Night Football…

by iiowyn on Nov 15, 2008 2:54 PM EST reply actions  

Since when has the countdown show been a key indicator??? Because those retards at mmapayout says so?

Regarding Lesnar and his effect…

If elite were running things they would be paying all his opponents no kicks, no punches no submission bonuses…

If he wins the fight and wins the tourney he will be bigger than chuck ever was. Alas that is a big IF.

by mmalogic on Nov 15, 2008 3:02 PM EST reply actions  

Relax. I never said Countdown was a “key indicator,” but there is a correlation there (whatever night it’s on). I certainly never insinuated 91 couldn’t break trend. To be honest, I don’t even want to predict what’s going to happen, because I don’t pretend to know.

by Cannon Jacques on Nov 15, 2008 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree with you. I’m not so sure Countdown views are a reliable indicator of much unless the viewership numbers were unprecedented either way.

by Luke Thomas on Nov 15, 2008 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

UFC has a base (buys without Liddel or Couture or Tito) of around 300,000 buys. UFC 81 got 650,000 buys — that means that Lesnar is worth about 350,000 buys.

In order for UFC 91 to reach a million, Couture would have to be worth 350,000 buys. When you include the extra buys do to the combination of Couture & Lesnar + the extra hype given by ESPN — I think that UFC 91 will have no trouble breaking a million, maybe as high as 1.1 million.

I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!

by mma_dude on Nov 15, 2008 4:05 PM EST reply actions  

Out of the pro wrestling community…I can see most of the Smarks shelling out money for the event. They’re of the minority though. The WWE has done a good job widdling down it casual base back to kids and borderline retards. Those who have seen or heard of Lesnar would have already stopped watching pro wrestling and gone to other things or would have diverted their time to more independent promotions.

by RoyalB on Nov 15, 2008 4:08 PM EST reply actions  

From my own experiences, I have a couple of friends who are casual friends of varying fandom. Both are pumped for this fight. I’m not sure if 1.2m is probable considering the economy and Zuffa’s weird non-promotion, but I think this thing will approach a million, if not hit it.

by Mike Fagan on Nov 15, 2008 4:44 PM EST reply actions  

Whoever loses, the UFC wins

All I know is that this is genius match making. Two great story lines, with a script written for either endings. If Couture wins, the UFC can tout how incredible Couture’s age defying abilities and the story of David slaying Goliath. If Lesnar wins, they have a new superstar to push the UFC further into the mainstream. The UFC can’t lose on this one.

by cyph on Nov 15, 2008 4:49 PM EST reply actions  

I hope they hit that number. This is MMA’s biggest night ever.

by Derek Suboticki on Nov 15, 2008 5:36 PM EST reply actions  

Plenty of Marketing

Saying that they haven’t marketed this card well is b-s. I’ve seen a thousand commercials and espn’s been all over this fight…I think dana’s estimate will be very close…now if you counted how many people are going to watch it’d be ridiculous as I’ll be having about 15 people at my house drunk and yelling at the tv…i can’t wait

by Slic Ric on Nov 15, 2008 6:44 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed

including many major newspapers (or at least their websites) are talking about this match. I’m not sure what else people wanted, but I think the marketing has been huge.

by mythbuster on Nov 15, 2008 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

The other thing is that people seem to be thinking that Dana pulled this number out of his ass. 1.2 million is an awfully weird number to pull out of his ass. I’m sure there was some sort of research or something done before he started throwing around this number.

by Phildo on Nov 15, 2008 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

We’ll have to agree to disagree on this. Rome covered this earlier in a post. It’s not so much that the UFC didn’t do what they normally do. It just seemed with all the early interviews and what not with Lesnar and Couture that they would keep that momentum rolling. Maybe they’ve done all they need to do. They should know better than me, but I just felt they would keep their foot on the throttle so to speak.

The fact that ESPN is picking this up speaks to the popularity of both Couture and Lesnar and the storylines that surround both men. I hope they hit the number, or close to it, also. I’ll say again that I don’t have a good feel for what the number will be, but a lot of bloggers don’t think the 1.2 million is reasonable. That’s all I was trying to relay. Also, the boxing buys have been well off of what has been expected. Take it for what you will, but all of this is worth considering in my humble opinion.

by Cannon Jacques on Nov 15, 2008 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

"I don't want to knock my opponent out. I want to hit him, step away and watch him hurt" - Joe Frazier

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Small
Predicting A Collegiate Wrestler’s Development
Shogun_logo_small
UFC’s Hopes For A Stadium Show In Sao Paulo Appear To Be Dead
Small
The Downfall of Diego Sanchez
Small
The time is right for a superfight, and it doesn't involve Anderson
391807_10150399618817701_750257700_8470850_1424416169_n_small
1 in about 7 billion!  :D

Recent FanPosts

Small
Yuki Kondo
Img_0019_small
Training Progress
Small
Muay Thai camps in Thailand
Blav_small
OT: Help out my short film
Badr_hari3_small
War Machine explains what happenned and asks for support
Warrior_small
MMA Transaction Wire: February 4-10
Bv_small
BE Trivia Night

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

MMA Rankings

USA Today / SB Nation Consensus MMA Rankings